tv CNN Newsroom With Brianna Keilar CNN December 6, 2016 9:00am-10:01am PST
hi there. welcome to "cnn newsroom." thank you for joining me. i'm brianna keilar. henry kissinger, democratic mayor of washington, d.c. and ceo of exxon mobile may not have much in common. today all three plus conservative talk show host laura ingram have meetings with the president-elect, 45 days before being sworn in office. 132 days since donald trump last held a news conference, if you're counting, but he did make a brief appearance in the trump
tower lobby. 42 seconds. one a tweet from a few hours earlier. this, boeing is building a brand new 747 air force one for future presidents. trump tweeted, but costs are out of control. more than $4 billion. cancel order. here's what he told reporters -- >> the plane is totally out of control. it's going to be over $4 billion. it's for air force one program, and i think it's ridiculous. i think boeing is doing a little bit of a number. we want boeing to make a lot of money, but not that much money. okay. thank you. >> tonight, trump travels to north carolina for the second stop of his so-called thank you tour. thursday he'll be visiting des moines, iowa. then friday, grand rapids, michigan, which is a state in the midst of a recount prompted by the green party candidate jill stein and ordered by a federal judge. i want to bring in my colleagues jessica schneider in new york. manu raju on capitol hill for us. jessica, you first.
this kissinger visit is notable given the friction donald trump is causing with china. what do we know about this? >> reporter: what we know, brianna, donald trump in fact will be traveling to henry kissinger's office here in new york city later today as opposed to meeting with him right here at trump tower. of course, the former secretary of state has counseled donald trump regular laly met with him. henry kissinger just arrived back here from china where he met with the president. could he potentially be carrying a message for donald trump? of course, donald trump ruffling many feathers in the diplomatic world among chinese officials overseas, around the globe, after his call with the leader of taiwan on friday and over the weekend those tweets about china basically slamming china, accusing them of manipulating curren currency, criticizing their military intervention in the south china sea. of course, that has led to questions as to what exactly
donald trump's china policy will be. will he adhere to the u.s. one china policy? or will there be tensions, as we move forward into his administration? now, interestingly, henry kissinger actually talked to our farid farid fareed zakaria who said it's reasonable donald trump could change stances between campaign and presidency and going on to say consistently is impractical when it comes to fluid international situations. so i'm sure former secretary of state henry kissinger will have a lot of wisdom to impart as he has been throughout the campaign and throughout this transition process. perhaps even bearing a message from chinese president ji. >> and tomorrow the president-elect meets with a recently unemployed american. tell us about this. >> reporter: that's right, brianna. tomorrow there's a scheduled meeting right here in new york with north carolina governor pat mccrory. of course, mccrory just in the
past day conceding the go gubernatorial election to the state attorney general roy cooper. a contested election in several north carolina counties, but finally the governor saying he will no longer contest that election and will step down from the governorship come january. the question is, when he meets with donald trump tomorrow, could any cabinet positions be on the agenda? of course, governor mccrory will be out of a job come january. brianna? >> sure will be. manu raju on the hill for us, tell us about what is, what really has congressional republicans and donald trump, it seems, at odds? this plan by donald trump to put big tariffs on u.s. companies that move overseas? are the right. not just at odds. republicans not supporting this idea. very little, hardly any at all, support for this idea. it flies against republican
orthodoxy creating lowering taxes, a playing field in which businesses can compete in the united states as well as opening up the borders for exports coming in to the united states. i had a chance to ask both house speaker paul ryan and house majority leader kevin mccarthy over the last two days, and neither man, the two most powerful politicians in the house of representatives, neither one of them would support this idea. mccarthy saying he does not what he says would be a trade war going this route and paul ryan in his press conference today said there's other ways to achieve that goal. rewriting the tax code. and cornyn, number two senate republican issued when i had a chance to talk to him in the hallway. we need to do it through tax reform, not any individual policy. alities pushback from republicans on capitol hill showing how difficult it is to
maintain unity as soon as you start getting into the details of the legislative process here, brianna. >> and obama care, too, there's pushback. repeal and immediately replace or repeal and phase in some sort of new plan? >> reporter: absolutely right, because they can move very quickly next year to repeal most of obama care. doing that through the budget process next year, and effectively avoiding democrats in the senate who could filibuster if he did not go through the budget process. replacing the law will take time. there is discussion about creating a three-year transition period between the time that the repeal would take effect until giving them time, three years, to enact a replacement. some conservatives including jim jordan of ohio are concerned with that three-year approach. take a listen. >> what i think also, there's talk about a three-year transition for obama care? >> that needs to happen a lot quicker. a lot quicker. >> reporter: really? you would oppose that? >> we think the american people sent us here to repeal obama
care flot to take three years to phase it out. >> reporter: and three year, what is the concern with three years? >> well, americans -- look, i think health care will be better and cost less when obama care is gone. why would you want to take three years to get rid of it? right? it's that simple. >> reporter: some say it will take three years, because that's how long it will take to get a deal to get a replacement done. but just shows you how hard, brianna it is to get republicans behind one approach let alone cut a deal with democrats over a polarizing issue replacing obama care. incredibly hard next year when donald trump is president and even though republicans have control of both houses of congress. >> thank you so much to you both. joined now by our panel of political experts. we have rebeccaberg and eric bragner and cristina alesci joining us from new york. from cnn "money."
one of the things donald trump talked about today, the cost of you in air force one planes, that the american government is working with boeing to create. what's happening here, and is this something he can do, just taking on each company one at a time? he had the carrier company last week. >> reporter: brianna a great point. is it possible to think that the u.s. president will be negotiating company by company, deal by deal on a regular basis? right? this is typical trump m.o. he picks a target that he knows and a message, that he knows will resonate with average people. $4 billion to the average person is a lot of money, and there's no context around this whatsoever. so he's going to get his troops, his supporters all riled up about an issue and the ceos of these companies, they know the game. i talk to them on a regular basis. they're happy to play ball with the president. give him a feather, the president-elect. give him a feather in his cap. in exchange, they know they have his ear.
right? they want fewer taxes. they want to reduce their tax bill. they want less regulation. and, look, just last week i broke the news that donald trump has assembled a group of ceos who he's going to meet with on a regular basis. you know who's on that list? the former ceo and chairman of boeing. so this is -- this is a game that donald trump has played. rile up the popular, you know -- the public, and then behind the scenes, you know, talk to the people who actually have the power to get stuff done. >> and boeing, out with a statement. because that $4 billion number is so eye popping, making clear currently under contract for $170 million, a far cry from $4 billion, to determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft, emphasizing obviously doing this in increments of government contracts and are stressing that they look forward to working with the u.s. air force to deliver the best planes for the president at the best value for
the american taxpayer. eric, you're looking at this. this is -- some people look down and say, wow. that's a bit of a shakedown. you could also look at that and say, that's really effective. that's transactional, but really an effective way to move the bottom line here? >> i think it's fascinating he's targeting boeing specifically, because boeing is the united states largest exporter. so when we talk about the -- the possibility of trade wars. right? trump is going after china. china is a huge boeing customer. huge customer. when we talk about these in the weeds policies like tariffs and even the export/import bank. that's a tool that most americans might not understand, but that boeing is incredibly reliant upon in its competition with airbus, which is the big foreign airline, manufacturing. that competes with boeing everywhere in the world. so boeing is the perfect example of a company that is affected by all of these in the weeds trade policies that trump is sort of
raising without much concern for what it might mean in terms of retaliation from other countries, and so boeing and other u.s. businesses are -- >> they're concerned. they want a seat at the table on this? >> they're afraid other countries are going to react in the a way that makes it impossible to sell u.s.-made goods there. >> okay. all right. let's talk a little bit about obama care, because as we just heard, this is an area where congressional republicans and donald trump are not seeing eye to eye, rebecca. listen to what donald trump said to "60 minutes" shortly after he was elected. >> there's going to be a period, if you repeal it, and before you replace it, when millions of people -- >> do it simultaneously. it will be just fine. we're not going to have like a two-day period and not going to have a two-year period where there's nothing. it will be repealed and replaced. >> that's not what congressional republicans are saying.
but i wonder if it's an issue of semantics, or -- are there real differences? or both? >> i think donald trump publicly, and for political reasons, needs to make this sound as simple as possible. because americans don't need to be bogged down necessarily by the weeds of how this will be done. >> the sausage making. >> there is a question, brianna, whether donald trump fully understands what he is going to confront in terms of the work he's going to need to do with congress nome on repealing and replacing obama care but on all of his priorities, and he has a bunch of them. talking about how long each of his priorities will take, his public statements suggest he doesn't really have a full understanding of how difficult it is to get anything through congress, and especially when you don't have 60 republican votes in the senate, meaning you can have democrats filibustering some of these issues, pointed on a report, there's going to need to be a deal on repealing and replacing obama care.
they need a few democrats in the senate to come along on this. >> there are many parts to obama care. the expansion of medicaid. you know, whether it's not allowing insurance companies to discriminate on pre-existing conditions. subsidies, exchanges. it's hard to imagine where congressional republicans would take those things away, leave a gap, make some consumers very unhappy, and then become politically unpopular, though? >> right. and actually, the plan that house republicans did release this year, the better way policy plan, which included their health care priorities, they actually keep a lot of obama care in place. so the part of obama care that protects people under the age of 26, keeps them on their parents' plans. protects people with pre-existing conditions and ensures they're able to get coverage. all maintained in republican health care plan. actually, i think a lot of americans will be surprised how similar it ends up looking if
there is a replacement? a. change or repeal? talk about this proposed tariff. donald trump says, if you're an american company, go overseas, a 35% tax, and republicans are, they're not agreeing with him. but tell us what this would mean for consumers. >> look, technically the president does have some power to actually do this without congress, increase tariffs without congress, and there is precedent for it, but the reality is, that this is an extremely complicated issue, and it's not going to be easy for donald trump to do this. look, just to give you an example how complicated it is, he would have to set a standard by which companies would have to follow to be exempt on these tariffs. how much of the product is made in the u.s.? right? think about that. this shirt, for example. the yarn could come from india. it could be assembled in china, it could be stitched in italy. like, there are so many
different places now where our goods are made. he would have to come up with a standard to set and say, okay. 50% of the product has to be manufactured in the united states to avoid these tariffs. that's just one complication. let's just not even talk about some of the others. in fact, u.s. trade representatives around the world are a little bit, seen as ineffective, because there's so many different constituencies here that it's almost impossible to get anything actually done. i think what donald trump wants to do is get rid of multilateral trade agreements. he wants them to be more focused, which is great, but, again, this is the beginning of a deal. this is a beginning of a negotiation, and it's partially a message to china, to say, we don't like, you know -- his point is, we don't like the currency manipulation. we think it makes your goods a lot cheaper, and it's an unfair advantage that the u.s. would
like to even out, and i think that's in general trump's message to both the business community and to china. >> we'll see how that is received. cristina alesci, eric berger, thank you all very. vice president-elect mike pence talking to jake tapper today on "the lead." this is going to start at 4:00 p.m. right here on cnn. tune in to see what he says. coming up, that tragic fire inside an oakland, california, warehouse. 36 people killed. there are countless questions. what's next for investigators? we'll talk to a former atf agent who can answer that question.
investigators are back inside the oakland, california, building that was a scene of a horrific fire that killed 36 people. concerns about a building collapse halted investigations yesterday. they've cleared 85% of the building and don't think the death toll will continue to rise at this point but it doesn't mean the search for victims is over. cnn's paul vercammen is in oakland for us. we've been hearing from the man who leased this building who many people are pointing fingers at. basically the landlord.
what's he been saying? >> reporter: well, derick ion almena is the man has ran this, the manager, now in the cross hairs of investigation. many people pressing him, wondering why this place seemingly became a death trap, and he is now answering with just raw emotion, brianna. let's listen. >> i would rather get on the floor and be trampled by the parents! i'd rather let them tear my flesh than answer these ridiculous questions! >> mr. almena -- >> i'm so sorry. i'm incredibly sorry. what do you want me to say? i'm not going to answer these questions. >> then we will call this -- >> i just want to say that i am sorry. >> then we'll end the interview there, mr. almena. >> soul accountable, yet to hold my soul accountable for believing in something. >> reporter: the manager of this place they called ghost ship. where was he the night of the
fire? they decided to stay in a hotel because of concerns about that, the electronic dance party getting too loud for the children. back to you, brianna. >> all right, paul vercammen, thank you so much for that report. as the recovery operations wind down, the focus is shifting to the investigation. i want to bring in matthew horace, special agent in charge of a national response team for the atf. matthew, this is the kind of incident, maybe not specifically this one, but somewhat similar, that it was your job to investigate at the atf. what's the first thing that investigators are doing when they get to the scene of this kind of tragedy and here in the days since the fire? >> brianna, as you know, the first priority, try to secure the scene so that investigators can get in to what we call the hole and begin the arduous process of cause and origin. we use certified fire investigators. atf that the best in the world and try to determine where that fire began, how it began.
we'll use arson skellerants sniffing canines to evaluate the prop determining in an accelerant was introduced to the environment. if it was electrical. hazards that existed prior to the fire in the warehouse setting that helped cause the fire and accelerate it. >> i spoke yesterday with a councilman in oakland who lives not far from this area and also a woman who lived for several months at ghost ship, who talked about there being sparks from electrical cords and this kind of thing being a normal occurrence. listen to what they said. >> i -- i expected it to be shut down a long time ago. i called the police tree times myself. they escorted me out of that place when i was living there. so they were in there to escort me out. the politicice were there every single night when i was there. i called several times myself. all knew on first name, derek, michael, there on a regular
basis. explained everything when i was leaving. police wasn't doing anything, housing, nobody was doing anything. cps was there all the time. nobody did anything. >> i live a block away and certainly have seen people living there. at the leadership role, the role i currently played, we are looking to putting the building inspectors together with the fire marshals, as one unit, so they can inspect these facilities, they can be present on the weekends, weeknights, weekend nights, when, when there's, they need to be there. >> all of that exposure to the problems with this building, and nothing done by authorities. what do you think is the reason for that? >> we -- we have two issues. the scene investigation, which we're going to do. but someone dropped the ball here as it relates to code enforcement. keep in mind, investigators will go back and speak to all the witnesses and try to determine what they were seeing in the days and weeks and months leading up to the fire, because we're not going to discount anything. it may be accidental or it may
be incendiary. >> what would atf, what would investigators need to find in order for there to be charges against these leaseholders of this building? because there is a criminal investigation at this point. >> two separate issues. the code enforcement issue and what the building was being used for what it was supposed to be used for. and then this fire. what is the cause and origin of the fire? if investigators determine that it's arson, then they're going to go back and figure out what the motive was and who caused that arson. if not, it goes back to the owners. someone dropped the ball on this as relates to code enforcement. >> yeah. we will see. we do know that according to witnesses those owners told people to deep quiet there were people living there. they certainly were aware they weren't supposed to be there. appreciate your expertise. still ahead, donald trump doubling down on a campaign threat to u.s. companies. the problem is that some gop leaders, many of them, in fact, are not buying in. we'll talk to one congressman
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donald trump says he is ready to make good on a campaign promise. it's now an ultimatum to u.s. companies. if you send your business outside the country, you will pay the price. trump tweeting this morning -- american companies should be able to move through the 50 states without penalty, but if they move offshore, then he will impose a 35% tariff. some gop leaders, though, are not buying into this. bringing in congressman pole. tell us your position on this. you were among many republicans
who don't think that putting a tariff on u.s. companies who move some or all operations outside the u.s. is the answer here. >> well, i think, actually -- look, we're all in favor of trying to make sure that we keep as many jobs in the united states as possible, and frankly, grow more. to me, the more productive route, and something that president-elect trump is also pursuing is to lower taxes on american companies and pursue real regulatory reform. i think tariffs as a punety weapon has a place. usually you do this on a product and it's cumbersome. again, if you make the environment in the united states attractive, i think you'll have far fewer companies thinking about leaving. >> congressman kevin mccarthy is worried about a trade war saying i don't want get to into some kind of trade war. is that a real concern for you? >> well, i agree with that sentiment 100%. i don't think trade wars are
particularly productive. 95% of consumers in the world live outside -- >> looking at a tariff, a 35% tariff, as donald trump is proposing? >> you know, it's pretty hard to respond to a tweet without knowing the specifics of a proposal. so, again, i think it probably would be a lot more complex than you can deal with in a short tweet, and to me the preferred approach, i think, the right way, lower the taxes on businesses that are here. reward them. reward them to make the regulatory restraints that they deal with a lot looser. and to try and create an environment that actually attracts foreign companies to do business here. for instance, my district, i've got michelin tire. employs over 2,000 people. that's a french company creating 2,000 jobs in the united states. i've got hitachi, creating another 1,000-plus jobs in normand, oklahoma. i'm not very interested in going to a trade war with countries that are actually, that have companies investing here and
employing american workers literally by the thousands. >> do you take the tweets, then, as bluster? or as something that just raises a lot of questions for you? >> look, first i want to applaud the president-elect for working hard to keep 1,000 jobs here from carrier. i think he's trying to make sure that american companies think twice, and he's signaled them in a very positive way. we're going to work and get you tax and regulatory relief from day one. so, again, i think, you know, we'll arrive at a more full understanding of this, but i think 35% tariff imposed on companies not products and particularly sometimes the companies create jobs overseas and then keep the better jobs here. so it's just -- it's a lot more complex, and i think you can sum up in a quick statement, and i'll wait and see what the president actually proposes. in general, tariff barriers more likely cost you jobs than keep
jobs in your country. >> what is it like, looking towards a new congress near january, to have a president-elect in your party and demonstrated by what we're talking about now, has very different views than what you would expect from a republican, when it comes to economic proposals? >> first of all, i'm very excited to have him and i think most republicans are. look, we know we're going to get fundamental tax reform. we know we're going get the repeal of obama care. frankly, we've been pretty hard heartened by appointments made so far across the board. i don't have any concern. much more delighted. i'm going to be a lot less at odds with president trump on almost any subject than i was in most of our conference was with president obama. so i don't think we see this as a problem. we see it as an opportunity and look forward to working with the president-elect. >> congressman cole, we appreciate your time. thank you so much for joinings us from capitol hill. >> thank you. coming up, president obama heads to florida today to deliver his final speech on his
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at 4:00 p.m. eastern president obama will deliver the final remarks of his presidency on his administration's counterterrorism strategy. he'll do this at macdill air force base in tampa, florida. cnn carries it live. two key things he'll fush push for. closing the prison at guantanamo bay and maintaining the ban on torture. aung herb of "relentless strike: the secret history of special joint operations command." the president is going to tampa. this seems symbolic, that this
is where he's militarily messaging and book-ending his presidency. right? >> yes. macdill air force base in tampa is the home to both u.s. central command, which runs the wars in the middle east, and u.s. special operations command, that has provided the forces upon whom president obama has relied to lead those wars. >> and there's been a shift under president obama, and we've recently seen reporting on an expansion of special forces in the command over special forces and their engagement in fighting terrorists overseas. what do you think he's going to say about that, in this speech? and what do you think he's passing on to president-elect trump? >> i'm not sure that he's going to talk about the sort of incremental changes that are coming, you know, to the structure of special operations. he may not dive that deeply into the details.
i obviously don't know, but i think that he'll be keen to make sure that the president-elect understands the vast array of resources at his disposal. particularly in the special operations community, and he'll be probably keen to make sure that the president-elect doesn't make any, in obama's mind, rash decisions about pulling out or scaling back some of those operations. >> what changes could then president trump make from the direction president obama has taken the defense of the nation in? >> well, donald trump has publicly indicated a skepticism about the covert, unconventional war that the cia with special operations help is running against president assad in syria. trump seems to prefer a simple focus on the islamic state in
that part of the world rather than sort of dividing efforts. he sees assad and the russians fighting the islamic state and has ins kated, at least in superficial comments, that he sort of would rather everybody be on the same side in that fight. >> he has retired general michael flynn coming in, national security adviser. we know retired general mattis will be in charge of things over at the defense department. when you look at those picks, what does that signal to you about the direction that the president-elect wants to go? >> well, as individuals, they bring different sort of skill sets to the table. mike flynn is probably the more controversial of the two picks. because he's been something of a fire brand since retiring. he was a highly respected, intelligence officer. he ran into trouble at the defense intelligence agency and
was forced out by the obama administration. and you know, he seems to have carried that grudge into his retirement. so he's -- he's the guy who's -- been the focus of most of the criticism from observers of these two appointments. general mattis vastly respected, retired marine four-star general. he was the u.s. central command head. so he'll be familiar with the issues. and i suspect that you're going to see a slightly stronger line taken against iran as a result of these appointments. both individuals have, have you know, publicly been quite critical of iran. so that would be the most predictable thing, i think, you could see. >> we will wait and see. this is all anticipation until we know exactly. sean naylor, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. a major college is bracing for protests as white
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tonight at texas a&m university a white supremacist will speak on campus much to s dismay of teachers and university officials. president and director of the national policy institute. a harmless sounding organization but with a hate-filled mission. texas a&m did not invite him to speak but in a report that first aired or "a.c. 360" last night, we're introduced to the man who did. >> reporter: this is the man who invited richard spencer to speak at texas a&m university. he knows it will be controversial and knows most people don't want this event to take place. >> what do you think of richard spenc spencer? >> he has a valid point. >> hail trump! hail our people! hail victory! >> reporter: the nazi era imagery at this gathering in washington, d.c. upsetting to so many. a political activist who lives
in texas says he doesn't agree with all of spencer's views but certainly does some of them. do you this this is a white nation? >> it was at one time and the reaction of trump being elected and the reaction going on with the alt right being popular is reaction to it declining being a white nation. >> reporter: he doesn't like to label himself but is sympathetic to the view of the alt right pap relatively new term for what in the past were simply called white supreme sifts. >> why would i want to see america become less white and demarginalized? people with a mental illness wanted to be marginalized. >> reporter: a hangup of the color of people's skin. what's the difference? what matters the kind of people they are. why does it matter the pigment of their skin. >> it's not just pigment. >> reporter: what is it? >> people's behavior, i.q., evolving over different times and places. >> reporter: lots of white people with low i.q.s.
lots of black people with high i.q.s and red people with low and high i.q.s. you're staereotyping. >> better the devil i know than the devil i don't. >> reporter: texas a&m ejected his views but can't ban the event because it's a public university. the number of students who oppose the visit organized what is expected to be a large demonstration. they pledge to keep it peaceful. >> we have a responsibility to take measured action to counter white nationalism, white spread sifts. >> outside amputators, yeah. by all means. >> reporter: a former a&m student mentioned on the website of the southern poverty law center, hate groups that declare he wants to prevent the populations of white nations from becoming what he termted a homogeneous muddle of sludge. he says he was misquoted but doesn't deny the point of the quote saying there is a way to make america nmore white.
>> a ban on immigration, if not a strict curve on immigration. i don't think you can bring somalians into america and expect them to assimilate pap completely different culture. doesn't happen. >> reporter: some somalians? >> i would be very selective. >> reporter: that's what pre prejudice is. they should all not come. there are bad people absolutely should not be in this country from all nationalities, creeds and religions. by saying all somalis shouldn't come here, isn't that being a bigot? >> um -- sometimes maybe being a bigot is wise. >> gary tuchman joining me from college station, texas. a very candid interview you had with preston wiggington, gary, and tell us how he knows richard spencer. >> reporter: brianne narcs wiggington and spencer have been acquaintances many years and communicate with each other on the internet. interesting, they have never met in person before, before last
night when spencer arrived here in college station, and now they are kindred spirits together in person. >> and this event, this counterevent scheduled, what are we expecting from that? i assume a lot of students will be attending? >> reporter: a lot of team and it's now not just one event. it's several different events all supposed to be peaceful and thoughtful. the university is sponsoring one of the events and people not only students and not only freedom this community but freedom throughout texas and the united states and many notable people are invited to attend including an 86-year-old man from dallas who was a holocaust survivor. it is xpesexpected, the univers expecting perhaps thousands to demonstrate against this event. and bringing in texas a&m university president michael young. president, thank you for being with us today and i want to know
about the moment when you found out that richard spencer would be coming to your campus, and there was nothing you could do about it. tell us about that. >> well, we want to be clear, and this is really an important point which became immediately apparent to me. we did not invite this speaker. no student organization, no faculty, no staff group invited this person to speak. this is simply a private citizen who rent aed a public space. we do that all the time, but we did not do this and we have consistently said this does not reflect our values. it doesn't reflect any rational person's values. this is reprehensible speech and we simply don't endorse it. >> certainly we have that in our reporting for sure and do understand that and are stressing that, but when you -- when did you find this out, and i can imagine you were just shocked. tell us a be it. >> well, not entirely shocked. i mean, these groups appeared on campuses all over the country.
there are free speech opportunities here in the united states and we cherish and value that. that right is steeped in the blood of the patriots as well. but this, i think harks gotten more attention than in the past in part because of some of the rhetoric during the election, and became a more visible issue, but i don't think this is an unusual occurrence on campuses around the united states. >> what kind of crowd are you expecting? >> at the, at their event? at this -- >> no, no, no. you're having a counterevent. we now know there are going to be other events to counter richard spencer's appearance. what are you expecting those to look like? >> well, we and the students groups are sponsoring an event called aggies united. aggies are a nickname, as a university. and we have invited faculty, staff, students, people from the community. indeed from all over texas and it's going to be live streamed
on facebook. we invite all of america to join us and celebrate our values. we're going to talk about diversity, inclusion, respect and integrity. and service. that's what we stand for. that's what we represent, and that's the kind of narrative that we want people to understand about this university, and what this university means. >> are you concerned about security? not even just at your aggies united event, but at other events that are going to counter this appearance by a white supremacist at texas ar&m? >> we're always concerned about security at anything, at any event and we want to make sure that everybody is safe. certainly everybody has a right to say what they want in appropriate ways and appropriate spaces. but we do have security, as we ail always do when things occur on this campus. >> you mentioned, this happens at universities across the country.
have you ever dealt with something like this before? >> i don't know exactly what you mean by "dealt with" but i -- public universities much of my career -- >> have you been at a university where you have someone who is coming on and -- and obviously is going to speak about something that is so incredibly unpopular to the point where you could have security concerns about the response to it? >> absolutely. every university i've been at has had those kind of speakers. >> okay. and so as you are trying to support some of your students, quickly before i let you go, what's your message to them? >> our message is that, i at least don't believe this even deserves the dignity of a response, this kind of rhetoric, but i do believe it's an opportunity for us to say what we stand for, what we believe, and what is important to this university and our community, and with aggies united tonight, that's exactly what we intend
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