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top of the hour now, this is "cnn newsroom." i'm joe johns in for fredericka whitfield. officials in california are expected to give an update later this afternoon on recovery efforts following this weekend's tragic fire called one of the deadliest in the city's history. here's what we know right now, they found 24 people dead so far from the fire, but investigators fear the death toll could go much higher. the fire broke out as an electronic dance party was getting underway in a converted warehouse space. some of the victims were transgender and officials are working with the transgender community to identify those victims in a way in which they would want to be identified. so far, the recovery effort has
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been painstaking. and the past 12 hours, only 20% of the building has been searched. cnn's stephanie elam is in oakland for us now. stephanie, we did get an update earlier today on the recovery efforts. and it just sounds like it's going to be a very difficult process. >> reporter: it really is, joe. when you listen to how they are doing this, because there is so much debris, that the ceiling collapsed onto the second floor area here, so they want to make sure they are not missing anyone who may be buried under that debris, any of the recovery effort that is happening here. so what they are doing is very slow. and if you take a listen to how they describe it, you can see why this recovery may take several more days. take a listen. >> our goal was to work collaborative with public works to breach the b side, which would be the left side of the warehouse building, the fire building, in order to gain access for firefighters and
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alameda county sheriffs to be able to remove debris systematically from the building to the vacant lot next to the building, literally bucket by bucket. in a methodical, thoughtful, mindful and compassionate way. we had firefighters with basically coveralls and buckets and shovels taking bits of debris out into the vacant lot to then be loaded into dump trucks and removed to anoff offsite location. >> reporter: they are telling us the number of lives lost will increase. they are just not ready to give us a number yet. also, they noteded that there were some international students inside of this converted warehouse during this party as well. and also, they said that they are able to identify some of the people because some of them did
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have i.d. on them. some of them is by fingerprints or looking at the dental records. and for others, they have to do it by dna, which will take weeks. so it will be a long process to actually identify the people, some of these people who lost their lives here. >> so they do at least have a list of people they suspect are missing and were or could have been in the house, in the building, right? >> reporter: they have a working list they are going off of. and trying to work with people, next of kin, friends inside, who knew others inside as well. and that's how they are operating. but the other thing to keep in mind here, joe, on just how difficult this is, the sheriff saying that some of the bodice are easy to identify. others are not. that's a direct quote. that's the way he put it. if you think about it, it's not as easy as going in to identify people. that's why they are moving so slowly. >> here are the briefings, have you been able to get any kind of
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assessment about how long the fire may have been smoldering? because there are reports of incinerated stairs and just a fully engulfed building by the time firefighters arrived. >> reporter: and there is a fire department right around the corner here. this fire seemed to be moving quite quickly. but one of the witnesses who was outside said he saw where the fire started and it was already moving very fast. but the stairs to get to the second level were basically pallets, they were wooden. that's why so many people had a hard time to get out of there, joe. >> reporter: stephanie elam, thank you for staying on top of that for us. we'll get back to you when the briefing comes. earlier i talked to the chief fire marshal who gave me some insight, things to think about as you think about this fire. listen. >> well, as you search a building that has been burned such as that, you have to move very slowly and very cautiously for several reasons. one is falling debris.
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one is building collapse. one is the fact that you don't want to disturb evidence that's critical for the fire investigation. you want to ascertain that you don't miss any bodies or critical matters that will be used as evidence. and so the key thing is you've got to move slowly and you've got to preserve the scene at the same time so that the fire investigators can, in fact. determine the area of originen and subsequently the point of origin and then determine the cause. it's critical to know before you determine what caused the fire, you have to find out where the fire started. and so once you do determine generally where the fire started, called the area of origin, you hone that down to the point of origin where the fire precisely started. and at that point, you determine what are the causative factors within that point of origin.
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and you go through a process of elimination to determine the cause. and in addition, they are still searching for bodies. they still have hot spots. but those are a real task and they are moving cautiously and slowly, which is what they should be doing. >> joined now by jack howes, whose friend donna kellogg was at the party, and is still missing. when was the last time you heard from donna? >> about a week or so ago. and donna is no longer missing. we have confirmed i.d. from her family. >> confirmed i.d. that she was in the building. >> i got a message from her stepdad that she's confirmed deceased. >> i'm so sorry. i'm so sorry for your loss and so sorry to hear about that. >> of course. >> a horrible situation. >> yeah. understood. >> when she was headed there,
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did you know that she had given any insights -- >> no, no, no. that she was on her way to the show? >> yeah, exactly. >> we were no longer living together. so i had just talked to her on the phone about a week previously. and i had seen her maybe a week previously to that. she hadn't been -- she loved house shows, but she was hitting the school books extremely hard because it was the end of her term. so i think she and her roommate decided that they would probably go and blow off a little steam and go to a cool little art show. >> i see. was it a very popular place for people in the area or -- >> no, no, no. it's not popular. it's not popular. it's not a rave. it's what you called a strictly underground open art space. so unless you were on a first name basis with anybody who
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lived there or from anybody who knew anybody who lived there, you know, it's not a rave. it's a small house party and a little artistic albeit illegal and underground art venue. so oakland used to be famous for things like this. >> right. so you're a resident in this area, and i understand that you have concerns and have in the past about these types of warehouses. what goes through your mind? >> oh, sure. well, a lot of the artists' works have been pushed out. but then you can see that, you know, the wayfront artists have been -- were coming down further e. due ease from west oakland to emeryville. because that is not being high-rises and condos now.
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i have seen countless fire trucks and art shows. and sometimes we would have to sit and look at each other and be like, are we ready to do this or should we call this off? you know, in order to do -- in order to do a show, an art show in oakland, you have to break to the municipal rules and create your own set of rules. but if you don't abide by your own rules, things like this happen. because my heart goes out to them, but i don't see there are any rules being abided by there. >> for sure. josh howes, just a tragic story. we are so sorry to hear that you all found out that she's actually been confirmed as one of the people that was inside. we will be keeping up with this. and just thanks for coming in and talking about this on cnn. we really appreciate it. >> sure. >> so if you want to help people
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now to politics, we have seven weeks before jump take office. and the search for secretary of state is broadening. his top aides say they will interview more candidates this week after trump's controversial phone call with the president of taiwan. and mike pence is revealing details about how the call was arranged. meanwhile, the president-elect is announcing more proposals which he helps will save american jobs and doubling down on threats against company that is move operations abroad. and in a series of tweets, trump writes, quote, any business that leaves our country for another
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country, fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in the other country, earn then thinks it will sell its product back into the u.s. without retribution or consequence is wrong! he continues to tweet announcements like that and defensive criticisms like this. will trump continue to use his twitter account after he's sworn in as president? his top aide tells jake tapper it's trump who defines what behavior is presidential. listen. >> is that really presidential behavior? >> well, he's the president-elect, so that is presidential behavior, yes. >> so we're going to play more of that in a moment, but first we'll go to cnn's ryan nobles who has more on the phone call with the president of taiwan. ryan, what is mike pence saying? >> reporter: well, john, the vice president-elect mike pence believes the media is making too much out of this phone call between president-elect trump and the president of taiwan. he says it's standard practice and this is what foreign leaders
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do. they come and call an incoming president to introduce themselves and congrats him on the big win. but this could be an example of the type of president that donald trump will be when it comes to foreign policy. and listen to how the vice president-elect answered that question this morning on nbc. >> president-elect donald trump takes a courtesy call from the democratically-elected president of taiwan and it becomes something of a thing in the media. i think most americans and most leaders around the world, they know this for what it was, and it is parts and parcel. i think you'll see in a president-elect trump a willingness to engage the world. >> reporter: the vice president-elect says when donald trump becomes president, he'll get involved with many big issues around the world. of course, the chinese government concerned about this phone call and they lodged a formal complaint with the white house. in terms of this policy and the
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one china policy will shift under a up trump administration, the vice president-elect said we'll wait to talk about policy after january 20th, which is when president trump will be inaugurated. >> so we've got that tantalizing question, the trump team is still searching for one of the most important positions, secretary of state. and there's a new name being floated, someone who is ambassador to china. >> reporter: that's right, joe. jon huntsman, the former governor of utah, the one-time candidate for president is someone donald trump is considering for secretary of state. his top aids say it's one of many potential new candidates that will be in the mix. at one time, joe, we thought that this was down to forty candidates and the announcement could come soon. now it looks like it could take another two weeks before we know who the next secretary of state will be. >> there they go taking their time with that one. thank you, ryan nobles. as the president-elect's cabinet takes shape, donald trump and hillary clinton's
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campaign managers sat down since the first time since the divisive election. jake tapper's exclusive conversation with kellyanne conway and robby moke is coming up next. fast and portable but also light. you don't do this 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for... ...decades if you don't feel it in your heart. listen, i know my super power is to not ever sleep. that's it. that's the only super power i have. [and her new business: i do, to jeanetgo. jeanette was excellent at marrying people. but had trouble getting paid. not a good time, jeanette. even worse. now i'm uncomfortable. but here's the good news, jeanette got quickbooks. send that invoice, jeanette. looks like they viewed it. and, ta-da! paid twice as fast.
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conference. so we will be brief. we just want to update you with this information. >> good afternoon. proactively to eliminate future delays, the alameda county sheriff's office and coroners bureau would like to ask the family members of victims to conserve dna being combs or toothbrushes and ask that the items be placed in a clean sack. do not send them to the coroners bureau, we will ask for them as we need them. as of 11:30 this afternoon or this morning, the count of victims has reached 30. thank you. >> so do you want to talk about -- >> hold on one second, please. sergeant, come on in and talk about -- >> so as you can hear behind us,
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there's a lot of work going on. like the captain said, we have confirmed that the count of the deceased at 30. that is an astronomical number. we are still not done. as you can hear behind me, they are working and pulling this building apart and dissecting it. and so we're really starting to get deeper into the building. as we do that, we continue to find more victims. so we will confirm at this time that we have 30 victims. once again, the identification process takes place as captain ditzenberger said, we ask that the families preserve any evidence for dna purposes so that in the future, should we need those pieces of evidence to cross-reference for dna samples, that we have them readily available. it's a terrible thing to have to say that and to have to come out here and do that, but that's
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what we are left to deal with here. >> i understand you'll have many questions. we'll all be back at 2:00. we'll have a press conference at 2:00. we will also, one more time, ask if anyone is not on our press list, please provide your information to myself. we'll add you to our press list. this is important information that we want to get out to our communities and out to media channels. because not all families are from the bay area or from the state. some are from outside the country. and we want to make sure that information reaches them. thank you very much for your patience. we'll see you at 2:00. >> officials out in oakland there giving a brief wrap-up and headline coming out now, at least 30 dead in that horrific oakland, california, building fire over this weekend. and the other headline and also sort of a grizzly reminder of
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how tough this is, asking friends and loved one toss preserve the dna, for example, toothbrushes, of people believed to be victims, so they can continue in this effort of identifying who was inside the warehouse and who was outside. a very sad story still developing in oakland, california, this evening. we're going to take a break and come right back. since we started shopping at way bfingerhut.com. first down! that's because with fingerhut.com we can shop over 700,000 items go to fingerhut.com to get low monthly payments and the credit you deserve. that's a touchdown, buttercup! ♪ ♪ oww!
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breaking news here at cnn, the authorities are now confirming that the death toll now stands at 30. we are now going out to stephanie elam. and they let out the news conference that we saw just a moment ago, i guess you would call it a briefing, by making an appeal, stephanie, to family members and others to preserve the dna of people who are
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believed to have been in that fire, and it really sort of points to the fact that authorities don't have much to work with to try to recover bodies. it's very sad. >> and think about it this way, joe, they had already said, the alameda county sheriff saying, listen, some of the bodies are easily identifiable. some are not. and now with the new appeal, they are asking family members of those inside who may have lost their lives here, to please preserve their dna in a plain paper bag. if they are doing this, it means it's not easy to identify who the people are. they are going for a hair brush, toothbrushes, anything to get a dna sample to match it to the bodies found inside here. they did tell us that this number was going to go up. keep in mind, on top of this, they have only gone through 20% of the warehouse where the fire ran through the entirety of the unit. so if you think about it that way, the number of people could
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continue to go up, even though we are at a astronomically high number of people within just one warehouse. >> i was listening to the news briefings yesterday and they were suggesting they might be done with the site by today. now, though, it appears that this is going to take much longer than some people predicted. >> reporter: it definitely sounds that way to me. especially when they had to slow down the process of getting through here. the roof collapsed on top of the second floor here and that is where the victims were found. they are going through here, but they have to move the debris out of the way. so they are moving it shovel by shovel, bucket by bucket. working with a dozen people at a time to go through and painstakingly make sure that they are respecting the people who lost their lives there, but also get all the information they can. while also recovering the remains of those who did die there. >> we are expecting another briefing coming up here pretty soon. have they been releasing the names of the people they have been able to confirm inside?
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i talked to one man whose loved one or family member actually, it turns out, was inside. and they told the family, but have they released the name public yet? >> no, they have been making sure they let the next of kin first. you just said that, that's the priority, making sure they know. once the family members know they confirm to other people and that's how we can confirm it. but we have not heard officially from the officials out here yet. however, they did say we may learn some of the names beginning today. others, though, they are saying for the people, that it is hard to identify, if they are going to have to go through with the dna testing and matching dna samples, that will take weeks before they identify who the people were. and some of them, we do know there were international students as well. and the other would be the transgender people in there that lost their lives. they want to make sure they are sensitive about that and are identifying these people in the
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way that they would have wanted to be identified had they still been living, joe. >> and this dna issue really adding another layer of complexity to the investigation. and we still haven't gotten to the cause. thank you so much for that, stephanie elam. we'll check back with you. we'll be right back. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
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looking back on the campaign, donald trump's campaign was dogged by claims of racism and xenophobia thanks in
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part to statements he made when entering the race. but thanks to a pair of new advisers, trump fell relatively in line and on message. so how did kellyanne conway and steve bannon reign him in? something other managers have not been able to do. we sat down with both sides to dissect what went right and wrong. >> it seemed as though from the outside you and steve bannon were able to convince donald trump to be more disciplined in a way that previous campaign managers had not convinced him to do, had not succeed in getting through to him. please stay on message, please stay with the teleprompter. not that he only stuck with his teleprompter, but the kind of, what i call self-inflicted wounds, your campaign calls them that with the clinton campaign, but some of the controversial gaffes he made, some of them
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took place before you and steve bannon took your place. i'm wondering what you and steve bannon said to convince him, we will take over, but you really need to listen to us in terms of staying more on message? >> when we came on board, there were a couple things. i feel confident in telling you that i said to mr. trump, you're running against one of the most joyless presidential candidates in history it seemed to me. so let's not be that way as a campaign. let's find a way to be the happier warrior again. he loved connecting with people. you have to know who youren candidate is. and there's no substitute. and work with his and her gifts. in the case of donald trump, he gets his oxygen from being out there with the people, being with the voters. >> look, one thing i take issue with, what did happen and we have discussed this early on, at the very end of the race, there were probably more undecideds
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than in a lot of races before. and we do think because the director of the fbi sent two letters in what was an unprecedented intervention in the election, total breach of protocol, yes, i think a lot of the undecides broke against us. but i don't think it was an inherent problem. in fact, without those levels, we would have won those and would have won the election. here's the other thing, kellyanne said it was a joyless campaign. >> you're joyful. >> i'm a joyful guy. we had a lot of fun on the campaign. >> everyone who knows hillary clinton said the person you see on stage is not the person that you see behind the scenes, the behind the scenes, she's a much warmer person, a much more amusing person. >> there were a lot of headwinds in this race. we were trying to make history
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as the first woman to be the nominee of a major party. but also the -- >> why is that a headwind? why is her being a woman a headwind? >> well, having worked for a few women candidates now, i think they sometimes face certain scrutiny that male candidates don't. you know, sometimes people would talk about the way hillary spoke during a speech. i didn't hear them remark about male candidates that way. but look, i think the bigger issue is that the russian intelligence, our intelligence agencies all confirmed that russian intelligence stole e-mails from us and selectively leaked them out starting at the democratic convention. explicitly to intervene in the election, hurting hillary clinton and helping donald trump. we faced the headwinds the whole way through. that was tough. and i think it absolutely affected the outcome. >> kellyanne, after you took over, donald trump recast or
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recalibrated two of his more controversial proposals on a total and complete shutdown of this country until we figure out what is going on. and the deportation force to round out 11 undocumented immigrants. those changed. they change in the way that he talked about that governor pence talked about and the way that you talked about. was that part of a reset for the general election? >> i think it is part of explaining what you said, putting in policy procedure, for example, the same day that mr. trump flew down to mexico to meet with the russian president the same day that secretary clinton did not, he had a plan on how to reform the immigration system. people may say they don't like it, but at least they can read
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it and examine it. he has one, it's there. he delivered it. so in that regard, he explained how he would approach the immigration system if he were to be elected. >> president-elect trump without question offended many minority groups and women who are a majority during this election, whether it is mocking a disabled reporter or seeming to question whether the judge could do his job because of his heritage. did he in private ever express regret about that? because we heard from him on election night a desire to bring the country together. >> yes. >> but that job will be tougher because of some of the things he said, mostly before you came on board. >> so i won't divulge private conversations, but i will tell you shortly after i came on board, mr. trump was in north carolina and gave a speech. and some people in the media refer to it as the regret
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speech, because toward the middle or end of it he talked about expressing regret. he expressed regret for offending anyone, he said particularly with my words. and that's a leader. you know, showing humility and inclusiveness and regret to use his word. but i want to say this to you also, if you're talking about just the numbers alone, donald trump did better among hispanics and african-americans than did mitt romney, john mccain, for example, the last two republican presidential nominees, jake. and he did much better among women than almost everybody, certainly everyone publicly predicted. you have the first female presidential candidate, she's on the cusp of being the first female president. where are all the women? where are the marches of women saying we must have the first female? i didn't see them on fifth avenue or in washington, d.c. >> they were volunteering for the campaign. >> well, they didn't come out to vote for her, though. >> we'll go to decklan harvey
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who has a question for kellyanne. >> if donald trump continues to use his twitter account, it breeds authenticity, but he's been known to tweet out falsehoods and other liabilities. is that something he plans to do after inaugurated? >> that's up to him, the secret service and others who is have to help decide those issues. i will tell you that the president-elect looks at his social media accounts combined of 25 million or so users on facebook and twitter as a very good platform to which convey his messages. i can tell you firsthand there are posts that he makes that otherwise would not be heard or seen by the 25 million people but for him posting them. but he's a unique person who has been following his instincts and judgment from the beginning. >> i think one of the points that i think woe would all be interested in hearing is that within the last week, he tweeted there were millions of
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fraudulent votes. there's no evidence there were millions of fraudulent votes. i don't doubt there were some fraudulent votes, there always are, but the idea that hillary clinton won the popular vote is because of millions of fraudulent votes. that's not true. and then when cnn reported on that, he started re-tweeted people criticizing jeff zeleny, a reporter, including a 16-year-old boy. and the question arises, in a room full of people who want president-elect trump to succeed, who want him to realize a vision with more jobs coming into this country, where you achieve so much of what you want to achieve, is that really presidential behavior? >> well, he's the president-elect, so that's presidential behavioral yes, i see where you're going because this is a campaign are. you comparing what bill clinton did in the oval office -- shall we review for those who weren't born then what president bill clinton did in the office?
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>> i'm just saying what donald trump did wasn't presidential. >> yes. he's tackling big issues that he executed on and through his first 100-day plan. i know him very well. i'm a trusted adviser. he is committed to making good on the promises and on the plans. and he's going to be focused on that. we need to move on and support the president and the issues he's going to make. i didn't like -- i don't like a lot of things that people in leadership do, but they are there. and that should be respected. i mean, i was raised to respect the office of the president and its current occupant no matter who he or she is. >> jake, i just hope moving forward from this campaign, kellyanne is right, the campaign is over, it's time to move on. i just hope the truth doesn't get lost or sacrificed. >> this is fascinating stuff. next hour, we'll have more including how the campaigns
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welcome back. donald trump is doubling down on company that is move operations abroad. in a series of tweets today he
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writes, quote, any business that leaves our country for another country, fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in another country and then thinks he will sell its product back into the u.s. without retribution or consequence is wrong! we'll talk about this with our political commentators, alice stewart, a republican strategist, and maria darcona, democratic strategist. good to see you both on this sunday. >> hey, joe. >> let's get your reaction from donald trump against the businesses? >> it's not a threat whatsoever. the reason they are pushing this out there is because he feels as though the media doesn't accurately portray his plans. look, he made it clear throughout the campaign what his economic plan was, whether it was for unleashing american energy, renegotiating trade deals. but with regard to the carrier deal, he made it quite clear. we can provide you incentives to
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stay or provide you tariffs if you leave. and the fact is, this is a tremendous success story with regard to his economic plan. there are 1100 people whose jobs are saved because he provided incentive for the company to stay. and other companies that want to leave and move their businesses overseas, yes, they will face consequences. and if it saves american jobs, so be it. >> so, maria, there's both the carrot and the stick here. you've got the carrier deal, that's the example of a carrot. that's inducement to stay. financial inducements. then you have the stick, which is a threat that we're going to hit you hard with tariffs and taxes if you leave. which do you think is more effective? and how do you think generally the business community is going to react? >> well, i think there's one more thing that we haven't really talked about here, and that is reality. you know, this carrier deal was fantastic marketing. and look, it's wonderful for the jobs of those folks who are now going to be able to stay here.
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but the reality is is that donald trump with all of his threats has to deal with something called the u.s. congress who actually are the ones who pass the laws governing trades and tariffs. so while all of the stuff that donald trump said during the campaign and is now saying on tweets sounds good, he's not going to be able to pull it off by himself. he's not the dictator as much as he would like to be and as much as he is now acting like one. he has to deal with the u.s. congress on this. and there are trade deals and laws that actually govern everything he's talking about and secondly, there's a lot of hypocrisy here. because what he's actually done is given away $7 million of our hard-earned taxpayer money to a company because of their threat to take jobs overseas. what kind of precedent does that set? and thirdly, i would say, has he
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brought over his company that is now, that apparently is now manufacturing his ties, his suits, a lot of his products overseas? why doesn't he start by showing by his own example? >> alice, we have to move on and talk about jon huntsman because his name is in the news, it's at least been floated adds a possibility for secretary of state. he's got a lot of experience of china having served as the ambassador. in your view, do you think he would make a good secretary of state and would he appeal to conservatives who are donald trump's base, especially given the fact that huntsman is widely seen as more moderate? >> well, i think he would certainly bring a lot of qualities to the table that we're not seeing in lot of other candidates for secretary of state which is good. his foreign experience and his certainly his willingness and ability to negotiate with foreign leaders he's shown in
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the past is good. the great thing is that donald trump is floating out many very qualified and capable candidates for that position which is a very important role in the administration. obviously, we also have certainly we have mitt romney and we have others that are out there. rudy giuliani and petraeus but there are a lot of good qualified candidates, huntsman among them and it's good to see donald trump is not just looking at those with a great history and background and experience in the military, but also, those who are a little more well rounded with regard to the political background and foreign experience with regard to dealing with foreign leaders and other countries. >> marie, any thoughts on huntsman? >> i'm a huge fan. i hope that doesn't sink his chances of getting the job. clearly, he served under president obama and he served very well. i think right now somebody who knows and is an expert on china
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is something that this incoming administration and especially donald trump desperately needs. we saw how he already put his foot in mouth when it comes to policy and relationship with china when he took the call from the president of taiwan. you know, foreign policy and diplomacy are very complicated things, as much as donald trump likes to explain them away in 140 characters, it goes much deeper and it is much more complicated and can have long running consequences when you try to do something or explain something away in 140 characters so hopefully somebody like john huntsman can explain to him when's at stake. >> sure looks like donald trump is taking this very seriously. we are told it could be two weeks before they get final names. the names that are already out there are names we know. mitt romney, obviously ran for president before rudy giuliani, the former mayor of new york,
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bob corker, the senator from tennessee, and petraeus, of course, general petraeus. everybody knows his name very well, former cia director. of those people, which do we think here on this little panel is the best for the job so far? and, alice, just start with you. >> look, i think the fact he's met twice with mitt romney goes to show he's pretty high on the list. i think giuliani has a good shot. been with him from the very beginning and very loyal person on the administration. i think petraeus with his experience and background in foreign policy is strong, as well. there is no doubt there is going to be many, many questions with regard to his careless disregard for classified information and allowing a former girlfriend, biographer to have access to the information and good thing today is he was out there on the news. he apologized for it. he reiterated the fact that he understands it was a mistake.
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he's paid severely for his mistake there and hopes people looking at the nearly four decades in the military as an experience and qualifications to take the job. so, right now, if you're asking me, i think based on who's getting a little bit more face time with trump, i would say it's certainly the top three is giuliani, romney and petraeus. >> maria? >> i agree with romney. i think he is under serious consideration and i read this morning they're now moving away from that. he gives a lot of common sense, republicans and moderates, you know, sort of a little bit of comfort in terms of, you know, somebody that is being -- being considered that actually does have knowledge in terms of foreign policy. i think that petraeus would be very difficult because there would be a lot of hypocrisy of picking somebody not just
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accused of -- and there wasn't a lot of innuendo thrown just at him because of mishandling of classified information but somebody that actually did it and paid for it and, you know, given everything they accused hillary clinton of it would be tough and tough time getting through confirmation hearings. i think rudy giuliani would have a tough time given the lobbyist ties with unsavory governments and butzs around tsinesses arou so i think mitt romney, i hope jon huntsman is a serious pick and would do trump a world of good in this very important slot. >> alice, just real fast, do you think that issue of handling classified information is a real problem for petraeus? >> i do. i mean, i don't see how it cannot gibb the high profile nature of the position and the kind of information he'll deal
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with. with regard to, you know, the constant attacks on hillary clinton for that, i'd like to think those are taken separately in the process because he's his own issues with that. but i do think it's an issue but i also -- you cannot, cannot overlook his nearly four decades of military experience. that's something that puts him in a good spot for that position. >> alice stewart and maria cardona, two of my favorites in the business. good the see you all. >> back at you. >> same here. thank you. >> thank you. next hour of "newsroom" after a quick break. xpress openn help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.
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hello. thank you for joining me. i'm joe johns. we begin this hour with breaking news. death toll now stands at 30 in the oakland warehouse fire. officials there are expected to give an update in the next hour on the continuing recovery efforts. here's what we know so far. officials say this is now the deadliest fire in the city's history. the coroner asking family and friends of possible victims to preserve items that may contain dna to help with identification. some of the victims were transgender and officials working to identify the victims in the way they would be want to be identified. so far, the recovery has been pain staking. about 20% of the

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