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hi there, welcome to "cnn newsroom." thank you so much for joining me. i'm brianna keilar. we still don't know many of the details. some critics say it's a one-off fix at best. donald trump and his team say it's a big victory. in a couple of hours, president-elect donald trump will return to indianapolis a bit of a hero, having engineered
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a partial change of heart from a company that planned to send more than 2,000 jobs to mexico. you may know candidate trump made saving the jobs at indiana's carrier plant a priority. and yesterday, he and carrier announced that 1,000 of about 2,000 jobs will stay behind after all. cnn's suzanne malveaux joins me from the site of what is sure to be a very upbeat scene today, suzanne. >> reporter: about 2:00 is when it will happen, trump and pence on the very floor of the carrier plant where it was just ten months ago, the bosses, the owner of that plant, from united technologies, announced to all employees their jobs were going to mexico. at that moment, brianna, a worker pulled out his cell phone. he got all of it, put it on youtube. it became viral. donald trump noted that video and really made it a centerpiece of his campaign to keep manufacturing jobs here at home. a lot of critics this morning saying this really is not a solution. it's not an economic policy. but a lot of people very happy
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here that i talked to about the prospect of really saving their jobs. we heard from bernie sanders earlier today in an op-ed in "the washington post," very harsh criticism of this. saying that trump has signaled to every corporation in america that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives. even corporations that weren't thinking of off-shoring jobs re-evaluating their stance. the statement saying they are getting business incentives from the state. that could be in the form of tax breaks or business opportunities. we're not exactly sure. the details of that. we may get that later today. i did have a chance to talk to a lot of the workers at carrier to get a sense of whether or not this is a good thing for them. they are very excited. and even talking to some employees of other companies. one right up the street. they're losing their jobs to mexico. and they want trump to step in
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and get involved. here's what one of them said to me yesterday. >> how much credit do you really give him? >> i mean, he -- what he said is happening. whether it's the state, everybody collectively coming together to do it really doesn't matter, it's being done, and it's wonderful. >> reporter: and that is john, and he is a new grandfather. he is also the father of three grown children. two of them, he's trying to put through college. so he says he wants trump to step, involved, and trying to save their jobs. it is not good news for a lot of folks, the people right up the street, but also the huntington plant, about 700 employees there that are still going to lose their jobs. it is specifically the carrier plant here, the good news, a lot of people saying, look, they don't care how the sausage was made, they are simply that it happened and they are giving trump and pence their due credit, brianna. >> that's right, can they be a
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bigger thing, we will see. suzanne malveaux, thank you, there for us in indiana. we have a.b. stoddard, the associate editor for real clear politics. eliza collins is a politics reporter for "usa today." all right, so you heard bernie sanders today. and while of course people at this plant, i mean, to keep their jobs, these are really good-paying jobs, we're talking $20, $25 an hour, so they're thrilled. bernie sanders is criticizing trump and basically says this company is being paid a ransom and it's just going to encourage others, other companies to do the same. what do you think, a.b.? >> right, i think first of all it's a campaign promise fulfilled in three weeks and that is a campaign promise fulfilled in three weeks. >> sure is. >> as you said, it's make or break for 1,000 people. that said, bernie sanders is right, that this is -- a, it's not an economic policy. it's not the job of the president. had president obama gone over to
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company after company and started negotiating separate deals with them, without the state legislature, deals that are mysterious. we don't know if these workers are going to take less in benefits now. is it a tax on everyone in indiana? we don't know the details. it might have come under criticism from republicans. but this is -- it's a sugar high, but can he work this deal with every single company in america? will carrier come back. forget the other companies. and say in a year and a half, we're having some problems again and we need more incentives. it's united technologies. will you buy more of our jet engines for the federal government, for defense materials. this is part of it. and so the devil's in the details. and the congress, the challenge to the congress of which there are many is to work with president oba president-elect trump on a real policy that prevents corporations from doing it in the first place. >> i want to listen to something that donald trump said. he blasted corporate incentives as early as this summer. here's what he said.
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>> i watched. remember, they give the low-interest loans. here's a low-interest loan if you stay in pennsylvania. here's a zero-interest loan. here's tax abatement of any kind you want. doesn't work, folks. that's not what they need. >> we don't know exactly what is in the deal but we do know state incentives are part of it. we've heard that from multiple sources. the other issue, united technologies, the parent company of carrier, has billions of dollars in federal contracts, and so on one hand, they have an interest in doing what donald trump wants them to do. especially if they want to be part of this conversation on tax reform. but what do you think about what donald trump is saying there. and then what we're seeing here today, or does it really matter, because it is people holding on to their jobs and it's pretty stunning that he picked up the phone and then you saw something happen. >> i think it's a little bit of both. this is his first campaign victory coming to life. so those thousand people can
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celebrate. that being said, they said they got government incentincentives. it's exactly what he said he would not do. we've seen this with a lot of promises. so we're not quite sure where donald trump stands on a lot of things. we don't know the details but -- >> does it matter if there's incentives if it got done? if it's something that perhaps can get done in other cases? >> well, where's the limit? how many times can this get done? like, we saw in indiana, people down the street are saying, can it happen to us? donald trump can't fix every company. it has to be in congress. it has to be, you know, change of policy. >> and we are looking at maps now of all of the plants that are closing in indiana. you heard suzanne malveaux interview someone from rexnord, just down the street, hundreds of jobs. you're seeing this is pretty widespread not just across this state but other states as well. there's a newspaper in china ran a commentary today. it was headlined, china would benefit from trump's effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to
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the u.s. it claims that the stuff made in the u.s. would cost more and that would make chinese exports even more attractve. what do you say about that? >> this is one of the coming challenges to the congress. because when you speak to members of the republican conference privately, they tend to believe that he's more pliable than he sounds, particularly on trade. a lot of their constituents can't survive, small businesses, the unraveling of nafta. they don't want him to oppose -- to rip up tpp or whatever he's going to do on the first day, which only emboldened china, which is militarily aggressive now in the south china sea. they have a difference of opinion on this. they want to be unified with trump but this is actually a real part of economic policy. the restructuring of the tax code. the questions of what disadvantages the united states are going to be front and center. and there will be disagreements. >> we're watching now. live pictures of the president-elect's plane taxiing.
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as he -- and we do know he is going to be campaigning with the vice president elect mike pence. i say campaigning. it's just fall back on it. it's a bit a thank you tour and going on this tour at the carrier plant in indianapolis, the two of them. okay, to a.b.'s point, because donald trump was in this strange position being the republican candidate of being the one who was more authentically against trade deals, nafta. and -- but the negative of nafta and certainly we saw this in the votes. so many people throughout the rust belt losing their jobs, feeling that this really just depressed their areas economically. but there are a lot of other americans who had very cheap goods. who can go to walmart and buy something for 5 bucks that might have cost them 12 bucks before. right? i mean, that's sort of the tradeoff here. >> that's the exact tradeoff. they're going to have to figure out a way to play into the base
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that elected donald trump that is unhappy with trade or -- at least what they think of as trade, while still keeping things that work. and that's going to be a really tricky thing. because i think donald trump campaigned on a lot of things that traditional republicans do not feel. >> but he can't really -- he can't really -- that trade argument, being so staunchly against it. i mean, i guess he can negotiate trade deals and he can say that they're better, but he has to have really something to show for it, right? i mean, isn't that one of the key parts his supporters will be looking for? >> i think so. that's what we're going -- we're going to see that tonight in the rallies. are his supporters, are they angry -- i mean, with his cabinet picks, all these promises. are they going to hold him accountable? it's a lot of goldman sachs. he's railed on them. we're not sure if they'll hold him accountable. we saw during the campaign people saying, you know, he doesn't say everything he means. policywise, i imagine, but we
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really don't know. >> we will see as this shakes out. a.b., eliza, thank you. next, seems routine, the president-elect having a phone call with a u.s. ally, the pakistani prime minister, pretty complicated relationship, as you know. but what pakistan says -- this is the former leader, i should say, what pakistan says happened on this call with trump. is anything but routine. the quote that is really raising eyebrows next.
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it's a phone call that some critics of president-elect donald trump are calling both reckless and bizarre. happening between trump and pakistani prime minister nawaz sharif. telling sharif, quote, you're doing amazing work which is visible in every way. it says, i am willing and ready to play any role you want me to play to address and find solutions to outstanding problems. again, that wording coming from the pakistani prime minister's office. donald trump's team will not confirm these comments. also not denying them. describing that conversation as, quote, productive. joining us now is cnn global affairs correspondent elise labbot. as we know, words matter, and
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perhaps no more than when you're talking diplomacy. every word is parsed. that's why a lot times they're so boring. >> yes, they're very -- >> what struck you when you saw this? >> we, a couple of things. first of all, it did sound a lot like this hyperbole rhetoric from trump. it did sound as if he would say it like that. couple of things. he said pakistan was a great country, a fantastic country with fantastic people. true. but what he didn't say was that he wants to work with pakistan as you might expect some other leaders to say, on combating terrorism, on, you know, the shared threat of islamic extremism, those kinds of things. it was very, you know, praising. that's one thing. and then also, look, the relationship between pakistan and the u.s. is very delicate. not only because of terrorism but why, because of the relationship between pakistan and india. >> which is not pleased really. >> which is not -- they took it in a little tongue in cheek.
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they said yes, we're looking forward to president-elect trump to deal with outstanding terrorism problems. president-elect trump has tried to court the indians also. when you say these kinds of things to one country, india gets its back up. the upz has been trying to court india as a counter weight to china. there's a kind of messaging that goes on when you talk to these countries. also it doesn't really fit in what trump has said about pakistan in the past, you know, in -- a couple of years ago, he tweeted, pakistan is not a friend, pakistan is not an ally because of their terrorist issue -- >> pakistan has an ungoverned area that is essentially home to many terrorists. >> that's right. >> and the u.s. is constantly on them about doing something about it. pakistan had osama bin laden for years living within its borders. >> and trump has said he would want to ban muslims from coming to the u.s. >> predominantly muslim
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countries. which he said he's looking forward to going to, right? is there that's right. so, i mean, look, these leader calls, he's doing a lot of them, it's really hard to kind of get on top of what you're supposed to say to each leader. he doesn't seem to have been a lot prepared for a lot of these calls. not having a ton of intelligence briefings. not being briefed by the state department. so i think as he takes office, he needs to understand that, you know, the message is the message. >> elise labott, thank you. more now with cnn political commentator and hillary clinton supporter hilary rosen. also, former campaign adviser for donald trump steve cortis. in recent years, you heard elise talk about this because pakistan has come under fire, not doing enough to fight terrorism within its boarder, especially after te s.e.a.l. raid that killed bin laden within its borders. trump said this, when will pakistan apologize for providing
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safe sanctuary to osama bin laden for six years? some ally. what do you make of this phone call, in light of the things we've heard donald trump say about this country? >> well, brianna, first, let me say, as i think you've alluded to, this is an incredibly complicated relationship with pakistan. which is certainly at least officially an ally of ours. but at times a troublesome ally. in a place that has produced a lot of violence frankly for us in that part of the world and at times even in this part of the world, in the united states. the ohio state terrorist for instance the other day who is somali by origin came here from, i believe, pakistan. very complicated relationship. i believe what trump is doing, to get to the meat of your question, there's nothing unusual or awkward going on. i don't think he's ever talked to the leader of pakistan before. what he did is -- you don't start out by insulting someone and necessarily talking tough. instead, in the -- he's channeling teddy roosevelt. speak softly but carry a big stick. i think the world knows -- >> where's the big stick though,
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steve? >> the big stick is we're going to be rebuilding our military in a very, very major way -- >> but he's not talking about that. he doesn't talk about terrorism. he's not -- he doesn't even gently say anything that would be considered a sort of expected stock thing about some of these challenges. >> brianna, anyone who has paid attention to him for the last year and a half knows that he has talked about as tough about islamist terror as any politician possibly could. certainly far more than any other major politician in america ever had. i think it's one of the reasons he won this election. he said political correctness, when we talk about islamic terror, political correctness isn't dumb, it is deadly. he has been incredibly forceful in his talk about that. but look, now he's the president-elect. his very first conversation with another head of state, again, one who is, for the most part, our ally. he doesn't need to begin by pounding the table. he begins by establishing a
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relationship. and from there, pakistan will certainly know, the world will know, that the united states has a new sheriff, one that really means business and will rebuild our military. >> hilary, you're shaking your head there. what about that point, butter them up first and then come down on them later? >> i don't thing it's a matter of pounding the table. first of all, you know, trump talks big at rallies in the midwest but then when he meets with foreign leaders or talks to them, he seems to sugarcoat everything. we saw that with mexico. now we're seeing it with pakistan. donald trump needs to do three things, in my view. first of all, he knead needs toa communications team that actually records and submits readouts for themselves of these conversations that he's having with foreign leaders. because this is the readout we got from pakistan. and they need to control this message -- >> -- more of what he said, is a good point there. >> that's exactly right. so the second thing he needs to do is he needs to get a
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secretary of state quickly. because we have multiple views from ray flynn, from donald trump, who has multiple views himself. we need to have a coordinated and thoughtful presence for where u.s. is going with foreign policy and there needs to be a trusted source that somebody can turn to with a consistent view. and then finally the third thing he needs to do is essentially stop with the kind of seat of the pants conversations he seems to have and actually take these intelligence briefings that we know he keeps rejecting being offered from the national security staffs. because if he did, he would be more cautious in these kinds of phone calls. >> what do you think, steve, about what we're hearing from india? there's certainly some concern there. they sort of -- elise was describing it. a little tongue in cheek, yes. we would like these outstanding issues to be dealt with on terrorism. but they said something that
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donald trump did not. and the india/u.s. relationship is also very important. >> absolutely, by the way, donald trump spoke at length during the campaign. we got a lot of support here in the united states from a lot of hindus, that was a key constituency for us. he's been very effusive of his praise of the prime minister of india, of modhi, i think those two men are going to have a close working relationship, which is very important. the u.s./india relationship, look, we're friends with both. i would say india is a more dependable friend. it's less complicated than pakistan. india need not worry at all in a trump administration about the friendship of the united states both in security terms and perhaps more importantly in economic terms. that we're going to have a fair and free trade relationship with them. indian-americans shouldn't worry that donald trump has anything but their best interest at heart. he used some flowery language. he was very complimentary. he made no policy
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pronouncements. we would never turn our back on india. i believe -- to hillary's point, we're going to get an incredible secretary of state. what the president-elect is doing -- >> that's another conversation because i'm wondering when that's going to happen. we're still waiting for that. certainly. that is really the big issue here that is outstanding. steve cortis and hilary rosen, thank you. next, you may remember stunning video. it's really difficult to watch. shows a south carolina police officer shooting a man in the back as he runs away from the officer. now a jury is deciding if that officer is guilty of murder. we're at the courthouse live next. jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic.
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in charleston, south carolina, a jury is deliberating the case of police officer michael slager, the officer who shot to death 50-year-old walter scott after a traffic stop in 2015. a witness recorded the shooting with a cell phone camera you can see here. incredibly graphic video. but also very important to understanding what happened that day. and slager now charged with scott's murder. his defense, that walter scott took his taser and he felt he was in danger. prosecutors say slager simply shot an unarmed man in the back as he ran away. cnn's boris sanchez live for us in charleston. our legal analyst laura coates with me in studio. boris, any word on if the jury is going to get back with a verdict today? >> yeah, brianna, no indication. they've been deliberating today for roughly two hours. they deliberated for an hour
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last night. they're considering different charges against michael slager. one of them murder, which carries up to life in prison. the other, voluntary manslaughter which is anywhere -- the sentence could be anywhere from 2 to 30 years. of course the potential for him to be not guilty. >> the jury actually went to the scene. tell us about that, boris. and i wonder what the prevailing thought is on the impact that may have on jurors. i happen to be at a campaign event in the area not far from there. so this was maybe a year or so ago. i actually went to the site just to watch the video, to see it in person and what sort of struck me was that you got a sense of how far away walter scott was. in person, it seems a lot further away than it does in the video. what's the thought on how being there in person might affect the jurors? >> certainly, brianna. the video has played such a central role in the case that both defense and prosecution
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have tried illustrating that distance you're talking about in several ways. at one point, the prosecution actually using a tape measure in the courtroom to show those 18 feet. yesterday morning, the judge decided he would allow the jury to actually visit the scene for themselves. this is after seeing that video several times and even after having a 3-d model of the scene shown to the jurors. but they got a chance to go out there yesterday. the defense was making the case that the jury in their decision should not consider what was in that video, saying that what happened beforehand was really more important to the case, the sense that there was that scuffle you mentioned between scott and slager. the prosecution telling them that everything they needed to know was in that video. it will be interesting to see how their actual visit to the scene plays out. i can tell you, it can't be understated how important that video of the confrontation between the two men, the closing moments of the confrontation was to this case, brianna.
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>> i want to play a moment from the murder trial. he took the stand. which we do not always see. he was asked about how threatened he felt by walter scott with the taser from the distance he was at. here's what he said. >> you've seen the video. >> i have. >> and you've heard it was 18 feet away. would you agree that he was not a threat to you with that taser without a cartridge from that distance? >> no. >> okay. so you gonna stick to that. >> yes, and the reason is, from 18 feet, he could have turned around and attacked me again. >> what is your thought when you hear that testimony on whether it's convincing to jurors? >> the immediate action i have is baloney because he's 18 feet away and we don't even have evidence of an initial attack against slager -- >> let's say there was -- even if there was, if there was a tussle, but then walter scott is running away fast. these are big steps.
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he's moving quickly away. >> the most relevant part of this is you see the video footage of a man who's running away. after he's running away, a good 17, 18 feet away, that's when he's shot. not close to the officer's body, not in close proximity, but as he's running away. an armed man of any kind. that is the relevant part. now, although it's odd sometimes to see a defendant take the stand in his own defense, here, he had no other choice. because the video, the proof is in the pudding. >> so bad for him. so he also testified -- this is something the video shows that is especially damning and that is officer slager, after walter scott is down, going to the taser, picking it up, moving it significantly closer to walter scott. now, he says he doesn't remember doing that. and yet to many people who looked at this, they felt like
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it was him planting evidence, already sort of wheels turning to make his case. the other striking thing about the video i think may affect the jurors and you tell me is that no one really helped walter scott for a very long time. he's clearly out of commission. he would later die. and no one is really there for minutes to help him. >> well, that's absolutely true. in terms of planting evidence, that's exactly what it looked like. the prosecution in this case harped on the fact that officer slager had selective recall. the officer kept saying, i don't remember everything. my mind was kind of spaghetti at this point. he remembers maybe he went on autopilot because he was nervous about any loose weapons being in the area. this officer told his colleagues up until the point this video surfaced that he was in a confrontation, close proximity and was acting in complete self-defense. only after that video surfaced do we actually see the other side, and i believe the truth in this scenario.
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so the fact he moved this weapon, i don't think it's autopilot. what the jurors are now deliberating is really one thing. they have the gift of not only a murder charge consideration but voluntary manslaughter. two widely did i rent sentences. one could carry life. one is 2 to 30 years. that was a gift to figure out what are we doing, is this officer -- should that person have a murder charge or manslaughter. >> there's a lot of discretion. we will see what they decide. coming up, the president-elect says he will soon reveal how he plans to leave his businesses in order to focus on the white house, but will conflict interest concerns really go away? we'll talk about that.
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president-elect donald trump vows he is going to leave his business to focus on the presidency. he says he will announce details in two weeks about how he'll avoid conflict of interest when he takes office. trump's tweets on this issue were met with praise by, weirdly, the government, the office of government ethics. it's a normally secretive federal agency and it even went so far as to post this on twitter. bravo, only way to resolve these conflicts of interest is to divest. good call. let's discuss with noah bookfinder, the executive director of citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. first off, a lot of people may not know what the office for government ethics is. may never have heard from them. >> right. >> give us the story on this tweet and how bizarre this is. >> sure. this is an office that essentially helps government employees to know what they can do and what they can't do. and as a general matter, they work behind the scenes. they work quietly with people to try to resolve situations before
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anything gets public. for them to get out with a comment before somebody's even in office, let alone before a situation is resolved, is extremely unusual. >> it's so strange. so there's one part of trump's tweets that has experts a little concerned. he says, quote, hence legal documents are being crafted which take me completely out of business operations. the presidency is a far more important task. he's talking about business operations. he's not talking about ownership. and some are saying he's going to retain a financial stake. and also it appears that his children are going to be running the store. so how is that really being completely out of business operations? >> well, i assume what that means is he's not going to be involved in the day to day management of his businesses. of course he's not. he's got to be president. that's a full-time job. he can't be doing this on the side. but the problem is he knows what his business interests are.
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most of them have his name in them, often in big gold letters on buildings. just because he's not involved in the day to day doesn't mean that he's not going to know what kinds of policy changes, tax changes, all kinds of other things can affect his interests and make him more money and that's a problem. >> he's not putting blinders on really the big issue because, for instance, corporate tax reform is a big goal for his administration, right? >> that's right. that's something that he and republicans in congress have said is one of the first things they're going to tackle. he has already talked about the fact that he knows the loopholes that have helped him make a lot money and helped save his businesses money. if he still has those interests and knows what they are, which these tweets don't give us any indication he won't, we won't know whether they're making change because they're the right thing for the country or because they benefit his businesses and his bottom line. >> he has said there are cases where, you know, he's done things that were good for business, maybe not for the country, but his loyalty was to his business. and now it's different.
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so if -- there are cases where he has a chance to, in a way, i don't want to say stymie corporations, but certainly look past the benefits to corporations to do what is best for the country. is that a way that he is going to make the case that, look, i'm actually on your side, main street's side now? >> sure. but as long as he has business interests he knows about and often we don't know about, he's never disclosed his tax returns. we don't know the full scope of his interest. we're not going to know which decisions he's making for which reasons. >> we know some of his business dealings across the globe. he has a position in more than 500 companies. this includes 150 that have done business in at least 25 foreign countries. what kind of task is it really to remove himself from any potential conflict of interest? i've heard some people say he needs to sell his interest, have his kids not be involved and put
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whatever money he dwegets into blind trust. that seems to dismantle his empire, right, his legacy even. >> this is somebody who chose to run for president. that is the greatest contribution he could make to the country. if he wants to be president and he is going to be president, he has to be committed to that. nobody's asking him to give up the value his businesses, to give back the money that he made. but he does need to sell those businesses and put the proceeds from that in a blind trust so he doesn't know what helps him or what hurts him. he can be focused on being president and make the decisions that are right for the american people. >> all right, noah bookbinder, thank you. next, we will talk to donald trump supporters throughout the campaign. we're checking in now about how they feel about the president-elect now that he has won and what happens if he doesn't fulfill all of his promises. >> i can't wait for the wall to be built.
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donald trump, the president-elect today, kicking off a thank you tour to states that were key to his white house win last month. today it's indiana and ohio for his first public event since election day. also a good time to circle back with a few people who were passionate donald trump supporters during the campaign season. we wanted to know if they're satisfied with the president-elect's decisions so far and whether the election results took them by surprise. >> okay, show of hands, who was surprised on election night? none of you were surprised. though so many people in the country were surprised by donald trump's win. >> i had confidence in trump's ability from the very beginning. i never doubted him the entire time. >> paula, were you concerned when the polls suggested that he was not going to win? >> knew he was going to win. because when you believe in
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somebody and mr. trump always makes things happen. >> what signs have you seen that you think are good signs so far? >> i think all the people that i'm looking at that trump has appointed or nominated have all been top of the class. number one in their field. extremely talented. great leaders on their own. >> very funny to hear you say that. do you remember who you really did not like late time around? >> time to get rid of him? >> time to get rid reince prieb priebus? >> exactly. >> he's the chief of staff. reince priebus, you all said he's got to go, time for him to go. how do you feel today? >> smart move. >> i think it's a very smart move because now he keys the republicans in check. he knows how to work with them. because he was the head of the gop. and now if they want to get elected again, they need to toe the line. >> so now you like reince priebus. >> i think it's a good pick that mr. trump did.
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>> how do you all feel -- do you know much about steve bannon, how to you feel about steve bannon? >> i like him. i don't know too much about him. i'm more of a flynn fan. >> what do you like about flynn? >> i think he will be an amazing leader. i love his military background. i thing he's strong. i think he will give president trump sound advice. i think he'll do that and i think he'll be a strong asset. >> he has said controversial things about muslims. he has said basically he considered it a political ideology, not a religion. >> islam is a political ideol y ideology. it definitely hides behind this notion of it being a religion. >> it's interesting to talk to you about this. we talked -- >> yes, we did. >> last time around about some your feelings about your muslim
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co-workers i believe and you had a close relationship. are you concerned about general flynn's comments? >> i'm not. i feel that people do say stuff that may be they regret at times and then they reflect on it and move forward and i feel that maybe some of the stuff was taken out of context or maybe he didn't exactly mean it. i'm in support of him. i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. >> but you find those comments regrettable. meaning you hope they were taken out of context. >> yes. >> on their own, they would bother you. >> yes, they would, they would. because i don't want people lumped together in just one category based on their religion. >> how do you feel about the white nationalist movement, the alt right, the neo-nazi salutes that we've seen? what are we to make of what feels like a groundswell of that
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with the steve bannon/breitbart connection? >> that's been around forever. if you keep reporting on it, it's going to grow like a cancer. if you forget about it, then it's probably going to go away. the media has to hop on everything and it's wrong. >> there's been protests -- >> i don't even know if they know what they're protesting. >> and they didn't even vote. voting is a privilege in this country. and you need to be legal. not like california where 3 million illegals voted. >> let's talk about that. >> i'm glad i brought that up, allison. >> me too, paula. so where are you getting your information? >> from the media. where else would we -- >> which media? >> some of it was cnn i believe. >> cnn said that 3 million illegal people voted in california? >> well, it was coming all across the media. all across. if cnn didn't do it, then they were being smart this time. >> do you think that 3 million illegal people voted? >> i believe in california there were illegals that voted. >> how many? >> to tell you, the truth,
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nobody knows that number. i think there was a good amount. the president told people they could vote and it happened in nashville. we caught some people. they said the president said i could vote. >> did you hear president obama say illegal people could vote? >> yes, i did. >> tell me, where? >> you could find it -- google it. you can find it on facebook. >> all right. hold on. i don't want to waste any more time but anywhere i see where it came from and it's fox business network deceptively edited a clip of barack obama to argue that the president encouraged illegal immigrants to vote when he did nothing of the sort if you go back to the transcript. you sitting here today think millions of illegal people voted in this country? you believe there was widespread voting abuse? >> i think there was in some states. >> in the millions of people? >> california allows it. >> they do not allow illegal -- you mean voter fraud, california allows? >> i believe there is voter
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fraud in this country. >> flag burning people should go to jail? >> absolutely. >> and lose their citizenship. >> no. >> community services. >> absolutely. >> you know what is the sad thing -- >> they should get a ticket for starting a fire out in public in a town -- >> need a permit for it. >> need a permit. should go get a permit -- >> how many illegals are burning our flags and yet we're not arresting them and deporting them and they burn our flags. you want to be in our country but you burn our flags? send them home. i can't wait for the wall to be built. >> what happened if the wall isn't built? if mr. trump doesn't build the wall, then how do you feel? >> think -- i believe he will build the wall, but he will make sure that we have enough border patrol out there to take care of this country. >> thank you so much for watching. "wolf" starts right after this break.
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hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in new york, 8:00 p.m. in beirut, 11:00 p.m. in islamabad. wherever you're watching around the world, thanks very much for joining us. up first, president-elect donald trump celebrates the art of the deal that saved 1,000 jobs. right now, trump and vice president-elect pence are flying to indianapolis where they'll visit a carrier air conditioning plant next hour. carrier agreed to keep about 1,000 jobs in the united states in exchange for incentives from the state of indiana and the federal government. no details yet on what those incentives include. but trump supporters say the agreement shows he is keeping his promise to save american jobs even before he takes office. our national correspondent suzanne malveaux is joining us live from indianapolis right now. suzanne, give us a little preview of this important visit by the president-elect and the vice president-elect.


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