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hello. i'm john berman. kate bolduan is off today. 30 days before christmas, president-elect donald trump's team expected to announce it has filled two staff positions today. donald trump also shopping for a cabinet on this black friday. a big question is, is mitt romney a good deal to be secretary of state? it appears this prospect creics creating a schism among trump's advisers. mitt romney delivered that scathing take-down of trump earlier this year and the president-elect has called
romney a loser and a choker. cnn's jason carroll is live outside mar-a-lago in palm beach, florida. what are you learning? >> reporter: well, they just wrapped up a 10:30 a.m. transition call meeting where we have more information about who donald trump and mike pence will be meeting with on monday. these are cabinet level posts. they are going to be meeting with eight people. some of the names on that list, paul akens, former commissioner of the s.e.c., scott pruitt, attorney general of oklahoma. one of the names that really jumps out at me is sheriff david clark. that name may ring a bell to a number of people. he's african-american, the milwaukee county sheriff, outspoken supporter of donald trump early on, outspoken critic of the black lives matter movement. he's been rumored to be sort of one of those people up for perhaps secretary of homeland security but definitely a fiery figure, controversial figure. he apparently will be meeting with donald trump, the president-elect, and the vice
president-elect on monday. also on this 10:30 a.m. call, once again, which just ended, still no confirmation in terms of if we will hear something about dr. ben carson possibly rumored to be up for hud secretary, or wilbur ross for commerce secretary. no movement on that end. but we have learned that donald trump, the president-elect, and vice president-elect will be meeting with eight people on monday. these will be cabinet level positions including sheriff david clark. john? >> jason carroll in palm beach, full schedule on tap for this monday. it is full of intrigue right now over who donald trump might pick to be his secretary of state. want to talk about this with ari fleischer, white house press secretary during the george w. bush administration. happy thanksgiving to you and your family. thanks for coming in. >> thank you, john. >> so let me read you a few tweets from kellyanne conway, who we are old enough to remember ran donald trump's presidential campaign and is
playing a senior advisory role during the transition. she tweets of the secretary of state pick, receiving deluge of social media and private comes re romney. some trump loyalists warn against romney as secretary of state. she also tweets kissinger and schultz as secretary of state flew around the world. and were loyal. good checklist, she says. ari, why do you think she's doing this? >> it's a problem. i was on twitter and i saw her send that tweet and i thought to myself, when you're in the inner circle and you have to send a message to go outside the circle to create an impact on the person at the top of the circle, there's something wrong. it's not a good sign for the future if trump's most loyal dedicated people, his inner team, feel the need to go on to twitter or go external to get a message to the man at the top. i'm all for the staff clashing and giving unvarnished opinions
to the president-elect in private but keep it in private. don't take it on twitter where people can see who is being lobbied and how. bad sign of things to come. >> just to be clear, you think what's happening here is kellyanne conway did this to get a message to donald trump because he's on twitter and watches tv and might see something like this and might see that there are people arguing against having mitt romney as secretary of state? >> not only to donald trump, but she's sending that message to those who don't like mitt romney, to send more messages in. in other words, she's saying i need help conveying this to the president-elect so i'm going to go public and tell you this and i want more people to weigh in against mitt romney. i think there are legitimate reasons for kellyanne to have concerns about somebody who is not loyal to the president-elect become secretary of state. but it should all be done in private. that's the point here. the reason i say it's a bad sign of things to come, this won't be the first. this will be one of many instances where there are interesting debates on the inside. they need to stay on the inside. that's the only way to have a deliberative process where
people can actually get things done without it breaking down. >> give me the pro and con on the idea because you brought up the loyalty issue. the pro and con about having someone like mitt romney who was so critical of you during the election process. >> well, the pro is that he's going outside his circle, going to people who were harshly critical of him and going to somebody who is clearly a respectable leader, somebody who ran for president before and has a very level head about him. the con about it is he's putting somebody in a position of tremendous responsibility and power, secretary of state is one of the most if not the most important cabinet selection, putting in somebody who is not loyal. what i wonder about here, it's only a matter of time before something bad happens. you govern in good times and in bad times. when something bad happens, will mitt romney stay at donald trump's side, will he criticize behind the scenes the president-elect or the president. which you can never have happen. the secretary of state must always in public be loyal on the president.
in private, clash all you want. that's i think the real question mark about mitt romney. will he be true to the president and presidents deserve to have people who are true to them. >> put yourself in mitt romney's position right now. if you are sitting in la jolla where we believe he enjoyed thanksgiving with his family, and you see the tweets coming from kellyanne conway and the very public lobbying from the likes of gingrich and huckabee for rudy giuliani to be secretary of state, what are you thinking if you're governor romney? >> i think it's basic. are you interested in the job and can you support the president. if you have any qualms about can you support the president, you should not put your name in the running for that job. you should withdraw. that's where he has to decide it. because again, the point is it's fine when things are going well, they are not responsible for any decisions. it's only a matter of time before there's an international crisis and the president says i want you to go in direction a and secretary of state romney says no, i think direction z is the right way to go. he's ordered to go in a.
he has to do it with full faith and confidence and with his heart that he's doing the right thing because the president wants him to. if he has any doubts about it, he should withdraw from consideration. >> just quickly on a different subject, donald trump and the potential or perceived conflicts of interest because of his business empire and what he will do and how he will serve as president. he told the "new york times" he's not sure there really are conflicts of interest. he doesn't think he needs to do a blind trust right now. what would you advise him to do in terms of creating lines between his personal and the professional? >> donald trump might be right from a legal point of view. the president is carved out from those laws. but from an ethical point of view it's just the right thing to do for the president to say i want never to be questioned about whether i'm doing something because it's good for america or good for my profits. you don't want to invite that controversy. it's much healthier for the president, president-elect, to create a system now where he is
walled off from any decisions that are made by the trump organization which can should be still run by his children, but at the same time, he should not put his children in governmental meetings if they are going to run the trump organization. but donald trump himself has to make sure he doesn't bring up business when he's talking to foreign leaders and that he's not in a position to make profits off of any decisions that are made because he's walled off from anything going through the trump organization. obviously, he will still know what the trump organization's finances are and what their interests are but still, i think the american people would accept it if they thought he didn't have any involvement in it and was walled off. >> i think that's an open question about how much he will do that or how much he will proceed along those lines. ari fleischer, happy thanksgiving. thanks for coming in. >> thank you. same to you and your family. so we are 12 hours after thanksgiving which means it's christmas already. the holiday season at the white house. this happened just seconds ago. the white house christmas tree, you can see it pulling in right
now, where i believe we will see pictures of it being greeted by the first lady, michelle obama. it's interesting, this tree is from a farm in pennsylvania but it is being delivered by the winners of the christmas tree contest who are themselves from wisconsin. it's being delivered by dave and mary vandervelen. they won the contest but the national christmas tree association tells us when they won in september, they had this tree and right now, weather didn't cooperate. the tree they were going to send wasn't as full and tall as they hoped so there's a stand-in. this is an understudy tree from pennsylvania. a douglas fir about 19 feet tall. i think michelle obama, the first lady and i think those may be her nephews, the very same nephews who took part in the turkey pardoning, sort of as a fill-in christmas tree, the obama nephews have been filling in the ceremonial roles that sasha and malia obama have done
the last few years. there we go. yeah. you can see. such a nice scene at the white house. the dogs are there. they start to sniff the tree. be careful. they are taking a good look at the tree right now as it arrives. inspecting it carefully. that tree will go into the blue room. the tree has been in the blue room of the white house for decades and decades. it will be a key part of the white house christmas parties the president and first lady invite all kinds of people over many many days, including the press, by the way, to come in and celebrate at the white house. they all take pictures in front of that tree right there. you can hear mrs. obama speaking. >> this is what we've got now. good job, guys. >> again, those are her nephews. her brother, their two children right there, they took part in the turkey pardon and there to greet the tree as well. want to bring in cnn political
analyst alex byrnes, national political reporter for "new york times" and julian zelizer. what do you make of the tree? >> politics in washington even when it comes down to the tree. >> who knew it would be so difficult? i was talking to ari fleischer. let's talk about what i was talking about with ari, this very public struggle over whether or not mitt romney should be brought in to be secretary of state. i haven't seen anything this public during a transition before. >> well, it's partly because romney's opposition was so strong, it was beyond i disagree with policy, it's beyond i like another candidate. he said in the middle of the campaign i fundamentally don't think this person should be president of the united states. obviously it's going to create a kind of tension we haven't seen. we also have to remember, president-elect trump likes this kind of drama. we keep seeing this at different points of the campaign. i think the intrigue is part of
what he wants in this transition. >> alex, you covered this team and these people in varying degrees for a long time. it strikes me that the only reason this is still going on the way it is is that at a certain level, donald trump is intrigued by the possibility of having mitt romney as secretary of state. this would not still be going on unless donald trump didn't meet with mitt romney and think maybe this is a good idea. part of it has to be coming from him. >> absolutely right. if you look at just the immediate political pressure confronting donald trump, the easiest thing in the world would be to go with somebody like rudy giuliani or some other loyalist. the president-elect's political capital will probably never be higher again with his own party than it is right now. if you just want to jam somebody who you know you can trust, you like on a personal level, through the senate, now is the time to do it. the fact that he's entertaining the idea of mitt romney so publicly and over the obvious objections of some of his much closer loyalists, it does sort of underscore this tug of war that trump i think has felt for
a long time in public life between wanting to sort of play to the gallery, play to his base and also this deep desire for mainstream respectability of a kind that romney really would probably bring him as secretary of state. >> in your paper, maggie haberman reporting there's one person who doesn't like what's going on right now, rudy giuliani, who very publicly was suggesting he wanted to be secretary of state and he's been left to twist in twihe wind rig now. >> he has. you were mentioning before to ari, the unusually public nature of the advocacy on both sides. kellyanne conway's tweets definitely unusual in a presidential transition but so is the spectacle of somebody like rudy giuliani out there publicly campaigning for the job. it does speak to the way these people assess donald trump as a decision maker and the kind of information he assimilates and how important television is to him. >> kellyanne conway, i was shocked when i read that because i hadn't seen anything like that before. on the other hand, the alternative is the tried and
true unnamed source or well-placed leak. it's stabbing someone from the front versus the back. i suppose she can make the case i'm just being public about it. >> this suggests a certain independence that's taking police rigplace in this whole transition. i don't think any of his inner advisers has total control over what he's doing or how he's doing it. what's unusual is you have leaks often in this process and vetting of people by releasing their names but they are directly communicating to opponents, directly making statements like this to try to get to him. i don't think anyone, even the inner circle, knows what -- mpl mpl >> we are talking about mitt romney, saying it's the team of rivals model. i think this goes beyond that. this is not like abraham lincoln who brought these guys on. no one there said anything close to what mitt romney said about donald trump. hillary clinton didn't say anything close to what mitt romney said about donald trump about president obama. historically speaking, in recent memory, how does it work when you bring in someone who hasn't
really been on your team? >> people will, if they are accepting the job, usually understand they are working at the direction of the president. the most recent model is obviously hillary clinton and barack obama. there was tension between colin powell and a lot of what the bush administration was doing but in public, you end up suppressing what you are doing. the other thing that happens is often the national security adviser on these issues becomes the prominent voice. in this case, what you could see is decision making centralized in the white house with flynn having the voice and the ear of donald trump and someone like romney becomes more of a figurehead in these decisions. >> interesting, as far as historical parallels go, hillary clinton would obviously be probably the best case model for a team of rivals partnership like this but romney's father actually went into the administration of richard nixon, a president who essentially vanquished him politically. it was not a successful relationship. they hated each other, really did not respect each other, and
kou just as easily imagine that course unfolding here in a much more important job. >> there is no person ever that mitt romney respects and reveres more than his father. you can bet that's something he's thinking very carefully about. great to have you with us. president-elect donald trump picks his cabinet and meets with advisers, but there is one very important thing he is not doing every day. new details about the intelligence briefings he's not getting regularly. that's coming up. remembering someone often thght of as america's mother. for those of us who did nothing other than watch tv from like 1979 to 1983, florence henderson was just a huge part of our afternoons. she was on tv always so reassuring and this morning we all woke up just saddened and surprised to find out she had passed away. stay with us.
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so many people know her as carol brady from "the brady bunch." tributes have been pouring in. want to go to cnn's stephanie elam in los angeles. i did "new day" this morning and the bookers had to call people to try to get guests and so many people were so sad to learn this news. >> reporter: it's just shocking when you think about it. you are talking about someone who was in the audience on monday for "dancing with the stars" supporting her brady daughter. it's shocking that three days later, she's gone. so many people are devastated with this news. florence henderson captured hearts across the country as one of television's most iconic mothers, carol brady. >> you'll find out. good luck on your debate today. >> thank you. do i look okay, mom? >> sweetheart, you look lovely. don't be nervous about a thing. >> reporter: starring as the mother of a blended family, her
career would forever be defined by her character on the 1970s family comedy "the brady bunch." >> i created the kind of mother that i wished i had had, and i think that everyone longs for. >> reporter: taking on the role was something henderson embraced. >> i get so much fan mail from all over the world and everybody wants a hug from me. and i hug everybody. >> reporter: in the decades following the show, henderson never shied away from the limelight, returning to her beloved carol brady for multiple spin-offs of the brady show. but before she became a brady, henderson seemed destined for show business. >> i don't ever remember not singing and i would sing and pass the hat and i would sing for groceries. >> reporter: her career took off at the age of 19 when she landed a leading role in "oklahoma" in 1951.
becoming a bona fide broadway star, her tv career progressed as she became nbc's "today" girl in 1959. she broke barriers as the first woman to guest host the "tonight" show in 1962. henderson earned her star on the hollywood walk of fame in 1996 and danced her way to a new generation of fans on "dancing with the stars" in 2010. today, america mourns the loss of everyone's favorite mom. ♪ florence henderson remembered by so many. maureen mccormick tweeting out a picture of them together saying you are in my heart forever, florence. john? >> stephanie elam, thanks so much. appreciate it. a public battle brewing over
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how big of a deal is this? want to bring in cnn counter terrorism analyst phil mudd, former cia counter terrorism official. is it a big deal he's not taking these briefings? >> it's not a big deal yet but you are only talking about half of the story. think of this. in new york, the grease for new york city is american dollars. the grease in washington, d.c. is power. this is about intelligence officials who measure power in part by their access to the oval office. they are starting to get nervous, i will bet you, that the president-elect is looking at the intelligence saying i'm not sure i'm that interested in this. i think there are questions about how the president receives or president-elect receives intelligence over time. different presidents have been radically different but i think this is also the intel guys getting a little nervous they might lose access to the oval office. that's a big deal in washington, d.c. >> interesting. what is he not hearing or what types of things, you don't want to tell us anything classified, what types of things is he not hearing by foregoing the briefings? >> you got to separate out the pdb, president's daily brief,
into a few categories. the first is strategic, what's going on, for example, with military modernization in places like china and iran. then the tactical, what's going on, for example, in the hunt for isis leaders in a place like syria or iraq. i think the story gets more interesting when you move after inauguration in january because guaranteed some time in the first months of his administration, there will be some kind of problem. for example, a firefight in syria, we just lost a military officer in tragedy in syria this week. a hunt for somebody in iraq. a missile development in north korea. i think whether or not you want to be part of the intelligence briefing process in washington, facts will require him to pay attention at some point. >> so his team, republicans are saying we are making way too much of this. the chairman of the house intelligence committee says national security is donald trump's number one priority and i think he's taking it very seriously. look how many leaders he's met with, how many phone calls he's done, positions he's faileilled.
people who are being critical need to get a life. is it that simple? people just need to get a life? >> at the moment. we are just a couple weeks after the election. vice president pence, vice president-elect pence is receiving briefings regularly. there are some presidents who have received intelligence second-hand. for example, nixon didn't like the cia. he got intelligence from secretary of state and national security adviser kissinger. george w. bush and his father, george h.w. bush, were avid consumers. it depends on the personality of the president. some presidents like to read more. they don't like oral briefings. we'll see what he thinks. >> mike pence is getting the daily briefing, the vice president-elect. what does that mean? is it often that you have a surrogate who gets all the information, then you depend on that person to pass it on to the president? >> at that point i wouldn't see that as uncommon. obviously mr. trump has a lot of things on his plate right now. i guarantee if there is something significant in the president's daily brief, pence will be passing it on to his boss. i think as the weeks go on and
as we get into january, and the inauguration, we should have a better sense of the rhythm. that is, when the president-elect doesn't have to worry about things like who will be secretary of state, will he be sitting in the oval office at 7:30 or 8:00 every morning for 20 minutes to hear about what's going on around the world. there's a good chance of that and i don't think what's happening now is necessarily a precedent for what will happen when he becomes president. >> interesting, you say the big concerns right now are probably within the intelligence community itself because it feels like it may not have the ear the next four years that it has right now. >> heck, yeah. i have been there. i remember one great story, when bush 43, george w. bush, was getting his briefings in texas, one day he turned to his briefer, a friend of mine, and said pretty soon i get to get the real stuff. the secret in that story is at that point he was getting the real stuff. the intel guys were coming back to langley, i remember saying when he becomes president, we better have something good to say because he doesn't think he's getting the real deal yet.
it was a great story. >> phil mudd, thanks for your perspective. really appreciate it. happy thanksgiving. the effort to recount votes in three states. some people think it's picking up steam. former presidential candidate jill stein has raised a lot of money to pay for this. will it really change anything? that's coming up. plus, this is a somber first for the united states right now in its battles in the middle east. an american service member has died in syria. details ahead. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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people who will work inside the white house. we will bring you that news when we get it. while that's going on, there's still intrigue and speculation over who may get some of the big positions like secretary of state and battles over whether mitt romney should be the person to get that job. joining us to discuss, executive director for the new york state democratic party, carl higbie, former navy s.e.a.l. who is working on the transition, alex stewart, former ted cruz political director and former national press secretary for bernie sanders in 2016. carl, i want to start with you. you are the man on the inside of the trump transition. near the inside. heck of a lot nearer than any of us. >> the media probably knows more about it than i do. >> what's going on with the very public feud over whether or not mitt romney should be secretary of state? >> the biggest concern is that mitt romney didn't want to be secretary of state. he wanted to be president. so is mitt romney going to reflect a donald trump presidency or when he goes overseas, will he do the mitt romney scene. >> what's your advice, since a lot of people who are working
for trump seem to be giving advice publicly? >> it would be to let trump decide on his own. >> that's not advice. that's not advice. do you think mitt romney would be a good pick? >> i don't know, there's a lot of people i would pick over him. maybe john bolton, former ambassador to the u.n., someone with extensive foreign policy. i know rudy giuliani has been tossed around. i don't know if he wants the job but he's got significant foreign policy with his companies consulting overseas. i just don't know if mitt romney can cut the mustard. >> a lot of people i would pick before him. that's the type of language we heard from former speaker of the house newt gingrich. mike huckabee also weighed in. >> i will support whoever president-elect trump picks because he has the right i think as the new president to build the team he wants to build. but i would suggest there are a lot of other people who are more qualified than romney in foreign policy and who are also, have not been as actively hostile as he's been. >> it's not about that i don't
care for mitt personally. i'm still very unhappy that mitt did everything he could to derail donald trump. he didn't just go after him from the standpoint of saying i disagree with his policy on immigration or disagree with his policy on taxes. he attacked him on a personal level about his character, integrity, honor. >> so alice stewart, the public airing of grievances as it were over mitt romney, do you think it's constructive? >> well, i don't think it's a surprise, clearly because governor huckabee and newt gingrich were loyal supporters to donald trump from the beginning since they had the opportunity and are expressing their feelings and concerns. look, any person that's put up for these top jobs is -- are going to have supporters and critics. mitt romney clearly has been vocal in the past about his criticisms of donald trump. huckabee and gingrich questioned whether or not he will be loyal. i agree with what ari fleischer said earlier. the main questions you need to
ask of these people, do they want the job and will they be loyal to the president. if they receive the job. i think with the background of mitt romney, i think he would do a great job and the question is, whether or not he would be loyal and it's up to donald trump. there's also giuliani is up there for consideration. there are questions and concerns about his business ties with foreign countries and that will come up in the confirmation process. everyone that comes up, they will have supporters and critics but at the end of the day it's donald trump's decision. the good news is the gop has a deep bench for these top positions. >> that's looking forward to the next administration. let's look back a little to this election. jill stein, dr. jill stein, the green party candidate, now wants a recount in three states, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. this after a bunch of computer scientists got together and said we looked at this, we are concerned maybe there was some hacking. they don't have proof there was hacking but they looked at the voting patterns and were concerned. this is what jill stein had to
say this morning. >> no, and the computer experts are very frank about this. we do not have a smoking gun. on the other hand, we have a system which invites hacking, tamperi ining and malfeasance. you shouldn't have to wait for the airplane to crash in order to have quality assurance on your airplane in order to have safeguards to be sure it's not going to crash. it's very important that we look at the votes. >> you want a recount? >> you know, as heartbreaking as this race was, as heartbreaking as the decision was, i think people are trying to find a way to move on. i'm an elector from new york state. when i talk to people about what other electors in other states should do, i don't get the sense that everybody wants to say okay, let's change our decision at the last minute and vote hillary clinton in office.
there are fines, by the way, for electors that do that in some states. while i'm not -- while i think it's important to get to the right result, i think there are a lot of folks including perhaps secretary clinton herself that want to be able to move on and say okay, how do we at least do the work we need to do on the ground with the democratic party going forward to look at 2018. >> interesting, sounds like he's struggling to say i don't think there should be a recount, i don't think they should bother with it but i don't like the way it turned out. what do you make of what dr. stein is doing? >> i think frankly, the democratic party hasn't come out one way or another and i think that's really important. i have been on a couple different calls with a couple different people and the answer is we don't know if the election was hacked in any way, shape or form. there's monno definitive eviden for it or against it. if there is a thought out there and a doubt, and jill stein wants to do the leg work, more power to her.
i do think there are questions being raised around how jill stein is going about this process. there was one goal total that was put out there. they quickly reached it about 3:00 a.m. the same day. they upped the goal. then there's this caveated language on the website saying there's no guarantees, we will actually achieve a recount, we will try. i think for myself there are questions around where is this money actually going, is it all going to this recount effort or is this padding the pockets of jill stein. >> that's an interesting view. want to weigh in? >> that's absolutely right. again, there are a lot of people that have a vested interest in some kind of recount, if you will, but if you as an individual, if stein as an individual raising money to do this, what is it really for, if there is really no smoking gun? that i think is the key here. without that smoking gun, i wonder what actually is going to be the result, who is going to be hired to sort of help do this
recount. this is a massive effort and i don't want it to be a willy-nilly process. i want it to be a real process. i haven't seen that yet. >> alice, it is notable that the clinton team, the people who were involved in the clinton campaign are not part of this. they haven't come out publicly and said they are supporting this. the dnc has very publicly kept its distance from it so far. that in and of itself sends a message. >> oh, certainly. look, i think more than anything, if there were -- was any voter irregularity or voter fraud, it absolutely positively should be investigated. having served as former secretary of state in arkansas, i can assure you secretary of states in each of the three states in question and election officials in these states would be the first to call for something to be looked at even further if there was a question. they don't want to go down in the history books as having an asterisk by their election results. they want it to be free and fair and everything to be above board. i think the fact that the
clinton campaign and others with more of a vested interest in the election results other than jill stein have not come forward, i think everyone can rest assured the numbers stand and we should move on and support the president-elect trump. >> is this just the kind of voter fraud you guys were concerned about before election day? >> yeah, but here's the thing. it's been a long thanksgiving. the thing is here, i think this is an effort for jill stein to propel herself in the media to get self-recognition for whatever she plans to do next. additionally, they would have to flip all three states. statistically, they won't do that. >> she says she's not doing this to un-elect donald trump. she says it's not about flipping states. it's about counting. that's her point. thanks for being with us. appreciate it, guys. we have an exclusive new look at the fight to retake a key city from isis. cnn goes inside mosul, where families are begging for help. that's next.
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city. the iraqi government advised those in mosul to stay in their homes. a large-scale exodus to be dangerous. inside the liberated part of mosul, we got a firsthand look at this tragedy. >> reporter: these people have just lived through the horror of urban warfare. they cowered in their homes for days, prayers and white flag, their only protection as iraqi forces fought their way through the neighborhoods of eastern mosul against fierce isis resistance. now there is little food, water or medicine. no electricity. but there's much relief. isis is like a dark mark on your chest? >> yes, yes. dark. >> reporter: you can hear the fighting in the near distance. it's still dangerously close. isis has gone from these
streets, but its ability to harm these people hasn't passed. just 24 hours ago we're told a family was sitting here outside their home when a mortar struck a short distance away, and an 18-month-old girl was killed. her name was emira ali. her father omar is overwhelmed by grief. he cries, "what did she do wrong? she was just playing. he's gone from me and she's my only one." every day this makeshift clinic inside mosul sees the terrible consequences of mortars fired into civilian areas. it's a bloody production line. the wounded are delivered pamped patched up quickly and loaded into ambulances to transport to hospital. at teams it seems endless.
as one blns puambulance pulls i another arrives carrying more wounded civilians. unloaded with great care as medics work to help the victims of yet another isis mortar attack, but they can't save everyone. this man's 21-year-old son was killed. he says a mortar just fell in front of the door. we came, and he was just a piece of meat. four or five of my neighbors were standing with him, and they're all dead. >> reporter: here, another parent falls to the dusty ground before the body of her son. these people endured two years of living under isis only to be killed by the group's desperate military tactics, and its total indifference to the lives of the innocent.
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