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ng a better california. we're now just hours away from super tuesday round two, and the big states up for grabs tomorrow, michigan and mississippi. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon.
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this is a pivotal week in the race for the white house. after the votes are counted, the debates on wednesday and thursday ahead of the key primaries next week. there's a lot to and a very busy hour ahead. joining me now is van jones, cnn political commentator who worked for president obama, senior political analyst, david gergen, and adviser to four presidents, and political strategist, angela ry, and contributor bakari sellers. good to have you all of you on this evening. van jones, i'll start with you first. what did you think of last night's debate? do you think there was a winner? i know you're going to say it was the people of michigan, but was there a real winner on that stage? >> well, i do think the people of flint won, because they finally got their voices heard. look, i don't think any minds got changed. i thought that it was -- if you like bernie sanders, i thought that he did a very good job. he had that moment where he said, i'm going to release my transcripts, and when i talk to wall street, here they are. because i don't talk to them. i thought that was hilarious. overall, i thought it was a good
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night for both of them. he definitely got caught flatfooted on that whole question around the auto bailout. it's much more complicated, his vote. it was surprising he was not prepared to be hit on that. he definitely was not prepared. he got very, very aggressive with her at that point, and i think that was not a good moment for him. >> angela, do you think this debate was different than the gop debate last week? >> aren't all democratic debates different than the gop debates? it wasn't a reality show, don, it is talking substantiative issues and while i would actually contend that bernie sanders struggles to get beyond wall street, campaign finance reform, mass incarceration issues, i think that it was still a very meaty debate and at least folks acted like adults, except for when, of course, bernie sanders said, "i'm talking!" but other than that, i think it was a very grown up debate on the issue. >> why are you so mad at that? >> i think it was a little offputting. i think personally as a woman,
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because he has this kind of burly voice and already sounds like he's yelling all the time, it was frustratie ining to see o that, not just talk to the hand, talk to the bernie finger. >> i understand that, i understand that as a woman, but if she's interrupting him, why wouldn't he say, "let me finish"? >> i think it's fine to say, let me finish, but when you say, i'm talking, like when you're talking to someone less than or like a child. >> all right, bakari sellers, a major florida newspaper says it can't endorse any of the four gop candidates. it says it's not going to make an endorsement in florida's march 15th republican presidential primary, because the kind of person that should be running is not in the race. pretty damning, bakari? >> well, it's even more damning for who they didn't endorse. marco rubio is the native son and marco rubio needs this victory. i don't know -- >> "the miami herald" did endorse him, though.
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>> i don't know any presidentway to the presidency that goes through minnesota. look, marco rubio, he's at his last stand. this is his mountain to die on or to continue on to the convention. and marco rubio doesn't win florida, it's over. so i look forward to the next ten days being extremely, extremely exciting. >> david, this must be an especially tough blow for marco rubio. how bad is it for him that he loses -- if he loses his own home state? >> he's out. he's gone. he's finished in this race. he will lose the vice presidency, because i don't think after his -- you know, after his controversies and his strange attacks on donald trump, he's not going to be chosen by trump, if trump is the nominee. and i'm just not sure where he goes in politics. he's very young. maybe he can have a comeback,
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but it will be very, very hard. he's got everything on the line in this florida race. >> yeah, so angela tried to jump the gun here for this question i had for you. last night i asked both candidates which racial blind spots they have. let's listen to this. in a speech about policing, james comey borrowed a phrase saying is, everyone is a little bit racist. on a personal front, what racial blind spots do you have. secretary, you first? >> john, if i could, i think being a white person in the united states of america, i know that i've never had the experience that so many of the people in this audience have had. and i think it's incumbent upon me and what i've been trying to talk about during this campaign, is to urge white people to think about what it is like to have the talk with your kids, scared that your sons or daughters,
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even, could get in trouble for no good reason whatsoever, like sandra bland, and end up dead in a jail in texas. >> van, did the secretary get it right? >> yeah, i think that she did. listen, i think it was a very courageous question to ask. i've never heard that asked before. i also think it was very courageous for them to try to answer. because by definition, if you say, what's your racial blind spot, you're more likely to reveal it in the attempt to answer it. >> exactly. well, hello. >> and so it's -- i think it was a courageous thing for you to do. i really applauded you. you got a lot of praise for it. i also really applaud them for trying. and it's very, very difficult to stick your neck out, if you say one thing wrong, you know you're going to get pummeled. i thought they both gave substantively very good answers. >> and i think that, you know, i think that, in a way, they were, without directly saying it, they were saying, this is something
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i've never really had to think about saying, i don't know what it's like. but i want you to listen to bernie sanders and then we'll discuss. here's bernie sanders >> senator sanders, on a personal front, what racial blind spots do you have? >> when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. you don't know what it's like to be poor. you don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car. >> so he got a lot of flack for that answer. today he tried to clarify it. >> what i meant by that is i think many people are not aware of the kinds of pressures and the kind of police oppression that sometimes takes place within the african-american community. i don't want to be lectured about talking about poverty, whether it's white, black, or latino. nobody in this campaign has talked about it more. and nobody in this campaign cycle, who has proposed more specific ideas on how to address. >> angela, what do you think?
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>> a couple of things. one, i think, in explaining his answer, he made hit worse. he said exactly what we thought he was saying last night, at least myself and my twitter followers, right? my immediate reaction was like, bernie sanders, white people do live in the ghetto, too. and i think the other issue i really have is exactly what we seem. of course, he is by far the biggest champion on income inequality and mass incarcerations, as well as how police interact with people of color. the challenge is bernie sanders has not yet released, don, that there are so many other issues that black people in particular care about. for example, our presence on corporate boards. for example, the fact that there are some a few ceos at the top of fortune 500 companies. for example, affirmative action policies and their inability to really make amends for leveling the playing field after our historic issues with racism and slavery in this country. so he's got a whole lot of other issues that he's got to discuss that don't just deal with income
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and poor black people. there are middle class black people that also have issues. and it's clear he doesn't have -- to talk to them about that. >> and he had only a certain amount of time to get an answer out. go ahead, david gergen. >> well, this is a very tough issue, isn't it? i'm very sympathetic with people who say the candidates aren't saying enough, they're not sympathetic. but i must rise to the defense of bernie sanders, as well as hillary clinton. both of these people have worked most of their lives on the right side of this issue, trying to push for a greater racial equality, more opportunity. people forget about hillary clinton and the younger generation, how she went to right for mary wright edelman, for the children's defense fund. she's one of the most noble women in this country, one of the most noble americans. and i think they deserve more credit for what they've done, and less scrutiny about the
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black ghetto. yes, he made a wrong statement, yes, he was wrong in saying that. but the truth is, had he said black neighborhood, no question. so he stumbled over his words. stumbling over his words versus a lifetime of working on a good cause -- >> i agree -- >> i think people tend to cut him some slack, because they believe the his heart in the right place. go ahead, bakari. >> don, i was going to say that even, i'm one of bernie sanders' larger critics in his discussions about race and pivoting out of the box that angela so eloquently described, but to push back on david slightly, the way we're talking about race is different than when even hillary clinton went and worked for marian wright edelman. it's different than when bernie sanders protested in chicago. not so say those things don't matter, but african-americans today are facing a different cataclysm of issues. and therefore it requires a new discussion. but i can honestly say, just to lift them both up, at least we're having a discussion.
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this was a discussion that was very difficult to have with a black president, but i'm glad we're having it now. and this is a discussion that democrats are kprasing now, which is why i think african-americans will be better off in this election moving forward. >> go ahead, david. >> i agree that the conversation has to move forward, but i think we wouldn't be here if it were not for the marian wright edelman and the jesse jacksons and the john lewises and the martin luther kings and all the rest. so i think they deserve some credit for that. i have to issay, don, i had som question about your assumption, well, they had struggled with the conversation last night because they'd never thought about it. i think they thought about it a ton. many, many white -- i make a lot of mistakes. i teach and it's like walking through minefields. you've got to be very careful what you say. but those of us who are white are struggling to find the language in which we can build bridges to each other, which we can find where each other is, that we can listen to each other in a more respectful wa fuful w.
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i think this campaign has helped with that. we're not there yet, but i guess we ought to be more charitable towards each other. >> i agree 100% with everything you said. and if we're going to have a conversation that is meaningful, we have to allow others some leeway. i respect what you just said. go ahead, van. >> well, i agree as well, i think that part of the reason why it's hard to talk about race -- >> people start yelling at them. >> like it's not fair, so i think, to me, if he would have just said, the hood -- no one says ghetto anymore. like, we don't know what it's like to live in the hood. everyone would be like, yay -- >> but that's not true, either. >> but certain woods don't mean certain things to -- ghetto in a broader term doesn't necessarily just mean black neighborhoods. you can have an irish ghetto, a
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jewish ghetto. >> this guy is in his 70s, he's jewish, the word "ghetto" for jewish people -- >> then he needs to have young advisers on his team. we know who's in hillary's kitchen cabinet. >> which goes to my point they may not have thought about this point. that's all i'm saving, davidg gergen. >> it was a good question, don. >> so stay with me and stay with cnn for march madness. we have all the coverage tomorrow. tomorrow night, we're simulca simulcasting univision's debate from miami. and on thursday, the debate from miami at 8:30 p.m. eastern time. everyone, stay with me. again. up next bernie sanders has been winning states even though hillary clinton is leading in delegates. should she be worried? is and two years ago tomorrow malaysia airlines flight 237
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back now with van jones, davidgerden, angela ry, and bakari sellers. so we mentioned how tough it is to talk about this issue in classrooms and really in our personal lives. so i'll ask you the questions, starting with van jones. what is your racial blind spot? >> i have no prejudice against anyone and i pass.
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>> all right. >> no, i'll tell you the truth. you know, when i first moved out of the south, i had no experience with anybody except for black protestants and white protestants. when i got to law school on the east coast, i had never met a jewish person. i had never met, in any serious way, an asian person. so i was surprised -- i had a friend, and i was say, gee, i would love to meet a jewish person, the person said, i am jewish. i didn't even know what a jewish person looked like. so that gives you a sense how we don't have a diverse country. we live in you believe bes tbub. and if you don't have a chance to live in close proximity with people, you can give offense and have no idea. >> the director of the fbi quoted avenue q saying, everybody's a little bit racist, and the song goes, wouldn't we be better off if we just admit it and talk about it, as david said, maybe i have a racial
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blind spot. what that's really talking about is this implicit bias. so angela, what's your racial blind spot? >> i would say being just defensive, assuming that white people don't understand me or my experience. and that's hard for me, because i think it's something i transitioned into in moving to d.c. it's become very black and white for me, whereas i grew up in seattle, washington, which is a melting pot, my dad had us around all types of different people and all types of different activism. i grew up fighting for all types of racial injustice for all different types of different communities. being here where it's very black or white or brown and no co-mingling on issues has been tough for me. so i automatically assume that people don't understand and i would like to get rid of that. >> bakari? >> i think mine comes from a place that's very historical for me and personal for me. i father was shot in the orangeburg massacre. we had that heartache and pain. i remember standing next to you,
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when you and i shed a tear when the confederate flag came down. for me, it's relatively emotional, and i think i let my emotions sometimes consume me when we're having this discussion of race. because i understand that we've made a lot of progress in this country, but we have yet a ways to go. for me, it's allowing my emotions sometimes to cloud the reality in which i live. but that comes because my father's blood is literally in the soil of the state i love so much. >> and i saved the best for last, david gergen? >> i came out of the south as well and grew up in north carolina and one of the most satisfying times i had in life was working for a governor, terry sanford, very progressive and worked for him on civil rights, but i thought i understood that generation of african-americans, and as i get older, i have a blind spot in trying to understand the perspective of younger african-americans. because there is a lot of anger and dissatisfaction. i see a lot of progress, but i'm trying to cope, there are
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obviously still deep-seeded issues i don't understand very well. and through the generosity of shelia johnson, who is a cofounder of black entertainment television, we now have a lot more african-american students coming to the county school where i teach and i spend a lot of time with them. and i just, i need to -- we need to build bridges to each ore and i need to spend more times listening to them, so i can understand where we still have to go. i thought, you know, frankly back in the '60s, we would have solved most of these problems. i thought before i left this good earth, we would have really conquered the problems of race relations in this country and it's been a great disappointment to me that we have not. and i think we have to double down. >> so i've shared mine and mine is sort of close to bakari's and angela's, when there is a slight of some sort or if i don't feel included in some way, that i don't always jump to race or racism as a default. and working as a journalist, i
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feel like i've overcome that, at least to the extent you can. and that's really tough for african-americans to overcome, because we see it in our social media feeds, where people don't understand that one, in order to be in this role, in this position, one must be objective. and as one of my mentors says, it is not your job to be super black man. you're a journalist and you have to be objective. we know how you feel. we know that you're human. but you have to be aboutive. the you have to serve all of your viewers. go ahead, van. >> it's also, it's this weird thing now, where, for instance, you take someone like a donald trump and he's angry, it's almost like it's a badge of anger. his whole claim to fame is, he's angry. and i think to myself, when is it okay for anybody else to be angry? if i said i'm a young muslim leader and i'm trying to channel the anger of the muslims, people would be putting me under the prison. or i'm an angry lesbian, we must
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be heard, that's not welcome. but for some reason, this one white dude can be the angryiest person in the world. str and he's taken us back so far. you're literally watching someone who has -- i have not seen or experienceded the '60s, but i've heard it from my parents. we have to watch it every black history month with my family. when you see someone who's literally taking us back to that, it's scary. i watched a black girl get physically pushed out of his rally last week. that's not okay. and we're laughing at this stuff. it's not okay. >> go ahead, david. >> one of the thix i have welcomed this year, we have much more diversity among people who are commenting on our politics than i've ever seen before. and i think having people like van on has been a real blessing for cnn, because we hear a voice we haven't always heard before. and we have to hear more voices from people who sit too far down the table and have not been in positions of power. that's the way we're going to
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bring the country together. so i think at least we can celebrate the fact that there are so many more diverse voices now on television, and here on cnn, that makes for a richer conversation and a more productive conversation. >> so both democratic candidates have met with black lives matter spokespeop spokespeople. but republicans have yet to engage with that movement or the people from that. bakari, why is that? how much will this matter? >> well, i mean, i think that rants and sean spicer have great hearts. i think they came into this election with the intentions of broadening their base, having a marco rubio who was actually talking about some of these issues, a rand paul who was talking about some of these issues. tim scott, rand scott, cory booker working together. however, when you have ted cruz and donald trump, who monopolize the conversation and donald trump just tapped into this george wallace vein of the political discourse that we're having in this country now, you know, the playbook's thrown out the window. you know, i go back to the first
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debate they had, when scott walker literally spent 47 seconds talking about civil rights and issues that were related to black lives matter. and just recently, in detroit, michigan, marco rubio gave the wrong answer to the flint water crisis. and we all know flint wouldn't happen in orange county, flint wouldn't happen in a majority white neighborhood, yet the majority party didn't want to answer those questions. i think they've kind of thrown their hands up in the air and they're scrambling. >> there is one bright spot. >> quickly, van. >> paul ryan has really -- pees lifted up the issue of poverty and trying to figure this out. one bright spot is paul ryan. >> but republican candidates should have gone to flint. it was good the democrats went. the republican candidates should have gone. >> they can still go. >> they should still go. >> you can have a conversation on race without yelling at people or calling them names or -- look, we're doing it. thank you. see you guys soon.
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get ready, super tuesday ii, it's tomorrow. up next, marco rubio must win his home state of florida. he is trailing in the gop race overall. can he make a come back?
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the winner-take-all florida primary will be a turning point in the battle for gop nomination. trump, cruz, and rubio throwing everything they have into the race, but as we mentioned, the "sun-sentinel" put out an editorial this weekend entitled "why we can't endorse trump, rubio, cruz, or kasich," saying none of them is qualified to be president. joining me now is bob cusack, editor in chief of the hill and matt lewis, senior contributor to "the daily caller." welcome back, gentleman. >> thank you. >> they were so good, we're having them back. bob, the "sun-sentinel" said they can't endorse anyone, even their own senator. how'd we get to this point? >> i think anecdotally, a lot of my friends who maybe lean right, they have -- and actually, some that also lean left, they are not satisfied with the field. it's amazing, because we've had so many candidates, especially on the republican side, that you're seeing a lot of voters who are unsure. i think that why michael
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bloomberg was considering getting in, more so if sanders had defeated hillary clinton. that looks less likely now. and donald trump appealing to many voters, but certainly not all in the republican establishment. so i think there are some voters out there who despite all of these candidates, are very frustrated. >> so let's look at this monmouth university poll. it shows marco rubio losing to trump by eight points, 38% to 30%. a smaller margin than other recent polls. and his campaign says, he's got momentum. so, can he win? >> he can win. it's not going to be easy, but rubio will plant himself in florida. and run as if his political life depends on it, because it does. and as a sitting u.s. senator, he will have an operation and fracture that cannot be arrived. and, like, i think he has to have the stars align. a lot of things have to go right for marco rubio to pull it off, uh be the good news for him is
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that trump -- we've seen a pattern, whether or not it will continue, we don't know, but the pattern is that rubio overperforms at the end, and that people who are sort of late deciders will break towards rubio. so he has a shot at this thing, and you know, fingers crossed for rubio. if he loses florida, obviously, it's just the next humiliation in a long line of recent humiliations. >> but what about the rest of his political life? because he's getting hit saying, oh, you know, he's not doing his job in the senate. i mean, can he end up sort of, you know, chris christieish? >> i mean, it's amazing, because i really believe that marco rubio is probably the most talented political rising star that i've seen in a long time. i think he was sort of a once in a generation political talent, incredibly eloquent. and you know, i think he -- it's really kind of a shame.
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in a rational world, you might have marco rubio being the republican nominee to go up against hillary clinton -- >> when he was elected senator? >> 2010. >> 2010. i remember being in florida as he was elected, and the biltmore was his headquarters, and i remember being there saying, this young guy. people were surprised by his rise. >> and now, a year from now, he very well could be completely out of politics. you know, and maybe the best that he could hope for is not to become president, it's to avoid humiliation. >> yeah. bob, he has had a lot of money, big endorsements, the backing of the establishment, yet he has only won 2 of 20 contests. why hasn't his campaign succeeded more so than this? >> he wasn't the establishment's pick in 2010 when he ran for the senate, but now he is. and i think that can also be hurting him.
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the big question is whether or not jeb bush will get behind him. listen, marco rubio has a bright future. peyton manning just retiring, he's 40 years old and he's an hold man in football. but in politics, rubio, he has a bright future. i think that some voters, maybe they're looking for something different. less scripted and i think the debate later this week will be big for marco rubio. >> but is he taking a price for not taking on trump and trading insu insults? >> oh, yeah, for sure. >> for now taking on trump. >> yeah, he should have taken him on earlier. >> is he coming off as -- this is what i thought. i wondered why he was doing it, sort of like, i know you are, but what am i, from him. >> i think going after trump in
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his own way would have been better. jeb bush didn't attack trump in the first debate and that was viewed at the time to be a wise move. donald trump will fade. and rubio didn't go after him. the obsession over winning their lane. we're winning the establishment lane. we heard it from bush people and rubio people. it doesn't matter this cycle. because usually the establishment candidate does to the win, but it does not look like the establishment candidate is going to get the nomination this time around. >> matt, what about his campaign organization? has it been effective? >> well, i think that the thing with -- sorry, the thing with marco rubio is he's incredibly talent ed talented, obviously, as a speaker. in terms of messaging, they're really, really good. the thing we wonder about is the organization. i've anecdotally heard stories about rubio comes town, gives a great speech, sweeps people off their feet, they love it, can they don't hear from him again.
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no one's there to organize the precinct chairman. all that stuff that ted cruz's campaign is really confident and really adept at doing. it's really hard to gauge a grassroots campaign, because by definition, it's sort of stealth and under the radar. but i do wonder if rubio, you know, great at the messaging, great at the wholesale stuff, but at the retail organizing level, i wonder about the campaign there. >> do you guys remember, not really at the beginning, but in the middle of where we are now, in the beginning, the other candidates were saying, well, you guys give donald trump too much attention, when they really weren't coming on television or accepting interviews. donald trump is a master at generating free attention in the media, calling in, doing interviews. is marco rubio's media strategy part of the problem here? matt, you first. >> yeah, i think it's very interesting. the first time i met rubio was
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in 2010 when he was running for senate. he was the outsider, this grassroots insurgent candidate. charl charlie crist was the establishment favorite. and rubio realized they couldn't get press in florida, that they weren't going to be taken seriously, so they did this counterintuitive thing, they went national first, and rubio did a great job of courting national media and center-right bloggers. he was incredibly accessible. he was very easy to get ahold of. and it was sort of like the straight talk express model. and i think this time around, they were much more guarded with him. they didn't put him out there and i think it cost them, ultimately. >> well, bob, matt ate up all your time. so next time. thank you, guy, appreciate it. just ahead, a top official of the reagan white house
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the funeral for the former first lady nancy reagan will be
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held on friday. she died yesterday in los angeles at the age of 94. and will be buried next to president reagan at his library in simi valley, california. joining me now is kenneth dooberstein, who served as president reagan's white house chief of staff. thank you for joining us. thank you for your loss. >> don, thank you. i appreciate it. >> you served two terms with the reagan administration and had the rare opportunity to really get to know the former first lady, nancy reagan. tell us about the woman you knew. >> she was a fierce protector of the instincts. she was a good personnel person, in the sense she could figure out quickly who was on her husband's agenda and who was on their own agenda. she was always looking for opportunities to make her ronnie look even better. every time she walked into a
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room, you could see him strut just a little bit stronger. she lit up his life. it was an absolutely magical, not hollywood love affair, but a true partnership and a real love affair. they were mutually reinforcing. >> yeah. >> i'm glad you mentioned hollywood, because nancy reagan lived an extraordinary life. meeting the former president when she was a young actress, living in hollywood, and then at the white house. what were the early years of their relationship like, before he was president, when they met in hollywood? >> well, let me tell you something about hollywood. the first movie that nancy davis did with ronald reagan was "hell cats of the navy," starring ronald reagan. in the last year of the reagan presidency, we organized a ronald reagan film festival. and the first movie that we
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showed in the family theater was "he "hellcats of the navy." as we began to have people seated, the president got up and explained the makings of the movie. and then told everybody, my first on-camera kiss with then nancy davis was in "hellcats of the navy." nancy, come up front and let's reenact that scene. >> can we bring it to now? i want to tell you about the president. yesterday, the kusht current president and the current first lady, michelle obama, said that nancy reagan redefined the role of a first lady. how did she do that? >> just say no. she took on drugs and alcohol with youth. she believed in causes and she was willing to put her name on top and absolutely advocate for those causes. in later life, obviously,
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alzheimer's, because of the president. >> why was just say no so important to her, firstly? >> ronnie's -- excuse me, her ronnie's father was an alcoholic, there was alcoholism throughout the families. she knew the dangers of drugs and she wanted to convince the next generation of americans, this is not something they want to dabble with. >> and later on, she took on alzheimer's because of her husband, because he had alzheimer's. the name ronald reagan, mr. duberstein, is often invoked as the gold standard of republicans today. what do you think he would think of the current state of the gop and this particular lx? >> you know, don, he was a principled conservative, but he believed that he was elected president to get things done, not to just block things. and what he wanted to do more than anything else is get our
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country ahead. i have often said he started out to change our country, and he wound up changing the world. tip o'neil used to say, i don't like compromising with ronald reagan, because every time i compromise, president reagan gets 80% of what he wants. and reagan would say, that's what governing is all about. and i'm afraid in these days, on both sides of the aisle, what you're now experiencing is 100% or nothing. and i think we need to get back, as a country, and as a government, to 80% solution. compromise in washington is now a four-letter word. >> thank you, mr. duberstein, i appreciate it. kenneth duberstein, president ronald reagan's white house chief of staff. thank you. >> don, thank you. and when we come right back, malaysia airlines flight 370, disappearing more than two years
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ago. what do we know about what happened to the jetliner?
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[music] tomorrow marks two years since malaysia airlines flight 370 disappeared. tonight, the family still don't
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know what happened to their loved ones. joining me now, mr. richard quest. his new book is "vanishing of flight mh-370: the true story of the hunt for the missing malaysian plane." i can't believe it's been two years. >> two years. this time two years ago we were getting the first reports that the plane had gone missing. this is the awful part. even though they believe they've got a good ideaish where the plane went down, two years on, there's no better evidence and we've no better understanding of what took place that led the plane to go missing. plenty of people have theories and ideas and speculation. but we still don't know nefarious or mechanical -- >> but there is some new information. there was some recently found debris in mozambique. what do you know about that? >> there's a lot more skepticism about this than there was with the flaperon, even if it is part
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of the plane, it's not going to give up many secrets, certainly won't tell us where the plane is, it might give us a scintilla of a clue about how it broke off in the aircraft, which will tell you whether it was in a sharp dive or a more controlled dive, but doubtful. >> off the coast of africas and australia? >> the only other people has been the flaperon, that large piece, and that was found off reunion id. there will be more debris, bit by bit, was not much. >> and let's talk about this book. this is how you and i became good friends. that's how this show started at 10:00 p.m. this show was called "special report" i remember saying good evening, this is don lemon, special report, the mystery of flight 370. >> and i've dedicated the book to cnn, and all the colleagues behind and in front of the camera, because it was the journalism of this network that
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allowed me to have the body of research to write the book. >> so in the first couple of days, i guess, you know, we sort of tried to figure out exactly what was happening with the plane, but we don't know much hh more, as you said. >> none. i feel people will be tweeting me, we know it was the pilot, it wasn't the pilot, it was this, but we genuinely don't know and anyone who says they do is making it up. what i think we do know is that, i believe, malaysia was pretty awful, the way they handled the families and the flow of information, actually, the way they did the searching was not that bad. we ignored many of the facts at time that were open and available to us. >> this is a picture of yo u an the first officer, you had just met him and flown with him? >> i had, two weeks earlier.
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we were filming for "cnn business traveler." we had filmed on the flight deck. the only way i found out it was him on board, this time two years ago, people started tweeting me, saying, why is there a picture of you with the co-pilot. the conspiracy theorists believed that cnn knew what was going to happen, we were part of what was going to happen, that cnn clearly had a hand in it all. they have never let up on this aspect. >> i can't wait to read this. have there been any significant changes in tracking planes, plane safety? >> yes, today, in fact, just today, the u.n. body has absolutely said, planes must be tracked every 15 minutes. and if something goes on, it must be able to track once a minute. the plane will automatically note and send out the snal. but it doesn't come in until 2018, don. it's taken way too long to sort this out. >> there it is, a picture of the
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you know what. what am i talking about? >> the infamous -- >> the mised uunderstand. >> the black hole incident. >> we were doing that to dismiss conspiracy theories. to say, there's no way something like this happened, but people took it the wrong way and it became this moment. >> and i think it was unfortunate. and in that same incident that you asked mary schiavo an a black hole, i asked jeff weiss about whether psychics could be involved. >> those were viewer questions. >> we had done two hours before on,, you know -- >> over weeks! >> and it was maybe 30 seconds into the show. i think it's interesting, because you have a quote here from -- what was it, 215? >> page 215 and thereafter. a quote from the boss who basically says, that we discounted and that actually -- >> if you go back and look at the tape, don was just reacting to questions that were submitted from viewers. no one remembers that it was a
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viewer question or that don dismissed it. it's interesting, right? because it becomes something funny and then it becomes a meme. but this is fascinating that the sad thing is that the families still don't know. >> they don't know, they don't believe, and the ability to claim compensation, the deadline was today. >> "the vanishing of flight mh-370," aviation correspondent, richard quest, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> incredible work you're doing. thank you. we'll be right back. our new extended-range lte now reaches twice as far... ...and is 4 times better in buildings. see for yourself at t-mobile.com slash coverage.
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