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you don't see that every day. introducing wifi pro, wifi that helps grow your business. comcast business. built for business. super tuesday could shape up as an epic battle in the gop. donald trump may leave his competitors in the dust. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. however -- hours from now, voters in a dozen states could begin to cast their ballots. it could be a defining day for trump. a new poll shows him beating his republican rival by more than 30 points. on the democratic side, though, could super tuesday victories by hillary clinton force the end of bernie sanders campaign? what does he need to do to stay in the race? we'll talk about that straight ahead. donald trump's wife melania has so far kept a very low profile but with his lead
widening, she's starting to speak out. my colleague anderson cooper spoke with her. >> when you first came down that escalator, when your husband first announced what was going through your mind? were you excited? >> yes. we were excited. i was excited. i was just looking forward to it. i didn't know what he would say. i didn't know the speech. but we were all excited. and, you know, it was an exciting time, actually, and it's a lot of guts to have -- to do that kind of stuff. >> has your opinion -- i read an interview you did i think back in talk magazine back in 2000 or 1999 and you said politics is a business. has your opinion of politics changed in the last couple of months watching it so closely like you have? >> oh, yes, it has. i follow it from a to z. i know exactly what is going on and of course it changes. it's many, many years ago, like 20 years ago almost?
so, yes, it changed a lot. >> what do you think of the campaign so far? i mean, in the last couple of days, there's been all these fights between now rubio saying all of these things about your husband, what do you think of the tone of it? >> i think it's more desperate tone because, you know, my husband is leading in the polls so he wants to attack in very low manner way. so it's kind of -- we expected that. >> you expected it? >> yes. i have thick skin. >> it doesn't bother you? >> it doesn't bother me. and it's very nasty but i have thick skin. i can handle it. >> your husband has been criticized for sometimes for his tone on a campaign trail. one of the things he said to me is as president, campaigning is one thing. as president he would have a different tone if he was actually in the white house. do you think he can have a
different tone? is there another side to him? >> yes, he can have a different tone. he really can have a different tone. because to build an empire and business that he has built, you can't always have that kind of a tone. he can really change. i know him and he could really change the words and the tone. and -- but, you know, he is who he is and you could see his following and people agree with him because they are tired of washington and politicians in washington. they don't do much. and he's a doer. he does things and he's not just talking it. he will have things done for the states, for the america, for the american people. >> you watch a lot of news, i know. >> yes. >> and he watches a lot of news, too. he's tweeting. do you ever get bothered -- he must be up late at night watching television and tweeting. do you get bothered by that? >> i don't get bothered by that. we are very independent. he let's me be who i am and who he is. >> you don't try to change him?
>> i don't try to change him. he is an adult. he knows the consequences. so i let him be who he is. so i let him be who he is. i give him my opinions many, many times. >> do you? >> yes. and i don't agree with everything that he says but that is normal. i'm my own person. i tell him what i think. i'm standing very strong on the ground on my two feet and i'm my own person and i think that's very important in the relationship. >> do you -- can you say something where you disagree with him on? >> oh, many things. language, of course. >> language? >> yes. language i didn't approve. especially when i was in new hampshire and the woman was shouting out the inappropriate word and i'm thinking, don't repeat it in my head, you know, for him, don't repeat it. just don't say it. because the next day, media all they will talk about is that.
but he repeats it. he is with the momentum. he goes with the momentum. he goes with the flow. everybody was cheering and he said it and the next day -- but he repeated the word. that was not his word. >> right. >> he heard from you about that? >> yeah, i told him that. yes. and he did it. as i said, he's an adult and -- >> it seems like -- "wall street journal" did a report on how he makes decisions. the reporter kind of followed him around. i thought it was really interesting. he seems to make a lot of decisions from his gut, from his instincts. >> he does. he does. he is who he is. he speaks from the heart and i think it's very important. he doesn't lie. he is who he is. he doesn't hide anything and people, they are connecting to that. they really connect with him and they know what he will do for the country. he's self-founding, he's his own person. he will not listen to donors, lobbyists.
nobody can buy him. and the american people, i guess they got smart and they know that, you know, he will work for them. >> when you see him on television, you watch interviews he does, even if you're not with him, i assume you're watching interviews that he does, do you give him comments about what you think of the interviews, how it went? >> yes. after we always talk. we talk many, many times a day. yes, i do. i do. >> there was -- i'm sure you know there was an interview he gave yesterday where jake tapper was asking him about david duke, disavowing him and the kkk and he didn't disavow. he had done it previously several days before and he's now put out a statement -- >> well, he disavowed many times. he disavowed at the press conference on friday. so i don't know why media needs to ask him so many times because he disavowed. >> when you saw that interview, do you think, that's going to be a problem?
>> i don't think so because they were asking him about the groups and he said, i don't know about the groups, what you're talking about the groups. so he disavowed. many, many times. so media just bringing up, bringing up all the time. >> and when you hear people saying he's racist, hearing him say he's anti-immigrant, what do you think -- >> no, he's not. he's not racist. he's not anti-immigrant. he wants to keep america safe. he wants to have illegal immigrants taken care of, that they will not be in the country, that they don't pay taxes, that they are criminals and they are not good for the america. he wants -- he was talking about the illegal immigration, not about everybody. >> as an immigrant yourself. >> yes. >> we talked about that a little bit from slovenia, what was it about america that drew you here, made you want to come to
america. >> i lived in slovenia when i was a child and i went to milan and paris for a modeling career and i had a very successful modeling career and i came to the united states, to new york in 1996. and just the energy of new york, the opportunities, different world, different culture. it really attracted me and i did very well here and i stayed here. >> as somebody who came to this country sort of wanting to be part of america, obviously, and ultimately become a citizen, do you understand the drive that brings other immigrants here, legally and illegally? >> i understand. but i came here legally. i came here on visa. i flew to slovenia every few months to stamp it and applied for green card and after a few years for citizenship. i obeyed the law. i did it the right way. i didn't just sneak in and stay here.
so i think that's what people should do. >> i want to bring in now jeff dewitt, a trump supporter, surrogate. matt lewis, from "the daily caller" and also ryan lizza is with me, washington correspondent for "the new yorker" and donna brazile, democratic strategist here with me as well. jeff, i'm going to start with you. she's obviously a very attractive woman and also smart. what role does she play on his campaign and at his event? >> well, don't forget, they have a young son. she's a great mom on top of it which hasn't been discussed. she goes back and forth but spent a lot of time in new york taking care of barron and she's a beautiful and strong woman. she speaks five languages and was very successful by her own right before they were ever married. she's a wonderful asset to not only donald trump but to the campaign.
as you can tell, she's very well spoken and she'll make a great first lady. >> matt, how do you think that melania trump is perceived by rank and file republicans and why is she coming out now? >> i don't think they know her that well yet. we haven't seen much of her. look, i think she certainly in that interview comes across quite well. you know, you always take it with a grain of salt. i would hope that any candidate spouse would say nice things about him and say, he's a good guy, he's a nice guy. but, look, donald trump is the front-runner, he very well could be the republican nominee. at some point, you start thinking about what's the first lady going to be like? what's donald trump like, you know, behind the scenes? and so, you know, i think that so far, so good. i think it's a success. >> ryan, does melania trump
potentially make her husband more palatable to people who may be put off by some of his language, his harsh language, some of his actions? >> she comes across very smart and sophisticated and, frankly, in manner, the opposite of her husband. and there is a long tradition of candidates who had some rough edges showing another side of themselves by featuring their spouse. so maybe there's a little bit of that going on. look, if donald trump gets the nomination -- >> that's usually why the spouse is brought in? right, to soften -- >> if donald trump is the nominee, he'll be the most unpopular general election nominee that any party has nominated since polling began. >> so he is going to have to -- >> i disagree with that. >> it's not really something you can agree or disagree with. it's something that the polls show. and so he will be -- really need this kind of help in terms of
getting his if i ever o-- favo favorabilities up because it's going to be quite a challenge if he is the republican nominee. >> donna, she says that she wishes he wouldn't say some of the things that he says on the trail and she speaks to him when she's unhappy about it. what do you think of that? >> well, she's a smart lady and god bless her for trying to control what comes out of mr. trump's mouth. look, there's no question that she will be an asset to him. i'm sure she has been an asset in terms of the campaign trail, in personal ways and other ways. the truth is, what she said tonight, hopefully mr. trump will find the -- not just the tone and demeanor to say that as well because i think the american people are tired of some of these old divisions and it reminded me of back in 2005 when the former chair of the rnc went to naacp and issued an apology for the republican party's embrace of the southern strategy. so this is a pivotal moment for,
i think, not just the republican party but also mr. trump and if she's able to get him to change his tone, well, let's see. we might be all singing oh happy day. >> thank you, donna. thank you, everyone. thank you. appreciate all of that. >> thanks, don. stay with cnn for super tuesday coverage as voters in a dozen states cast their ballots and rival donald trump for his refusal to disavow the kkk. a blistering attack on the gop front-runner. comedian john allen launches a blistering attack. plus, how far will establish republicans go to take donald trump down? we'll hear from a member of the republican national committee.
comedian john oliver launching a blistering attack on donald trump. back with me now, jeff dewit, matt lewis -- i'm putting you guys together -- ryan lizza and donna brazile. okay. so jeff, john oliver also included trump's comments to cnn over the weekend about david duke. here it is. >> honestly, i don't know david duke. i don't think i've ever met him. i'm pretty sure, i didn't meet him and i just don't know anything about him. >> really? that's your best answer there? because you definitely know who he is. because you called him a bigot and a racist in the past. but that's not even the [ bleep ] point. the point is, with an answer like that you are either racist or you are pretending to be and at some point there is no difference there. and sure, he disavowed david duke later in the day but the scary thing is, we have no way of knowing which of his
inconsistent views he will hold in office. >> so, that's the thing, jeff, whether you're doing it for a strategy to get as many voters as possible, i don't -- i shouldn't say that. having met him, it's hard to believe that he is a racist. but still, he gets on television and he has an answer like that and what other conclusion can you draw? >> racism is disgusting. it's awful to think that racism still exists in any form in this country. we have such a diverse culture and this country is built upon many different races coming together to build what we know as america. >> the question is whether he's pandering for votes by having this nebulous answer -- let me finish -- by having this nebulous answer about the kkk. go on. >> look, he has disavowed it for decades. i'll tell you right now, i would never support a racist candidate.
i know donald trump very well and he is not a racist, by any means, not at all. he has disavowed racist comments for decades, for his whole life. he's not a racist guy. and so you have one technical misstep where the ear piece didn't work right, it's been a long campaign day, he said one little thing, even just days before it he was disavowing racism, he has minorities coming on all the time on the stage with him and presenting him and endorsing him. he is absolutely not a racist. and i'm telling you, i would never support anybody who is racist. it's terrible and it's awful and i can tell that you donald trump is not a racist. what we have is the day before super tuesday and everyone is jumping on board that doesn't like him, trying to make something out of nothing to take him down on election day. >> who wants to weigh in here? >> i would just say, if he says one little thing. if he says one little thing,
then we would be forgiven. if it was a faux pas, maybe he couldn't hear, but this comes -- a lot of things like new mexico is trying to ban all muslims from coming to the country. this is a pattern of behavior that makes it a little harder to be really hard to excuse donald trump from this one occasion. >> listen, south carolina governor nikki haley, she's endorsed marco rubio, by the way, but here's what she said. >> and the kkk came to south carolina from out of state to protest on our statehouse grounds. [ crowd booing.] >> we saw and looked at true hate in the eyes of charleston last year. i will not stop until we fight a man who chooses not to disavow the kkk, that is not a part of our party, that's not who we want as president. we will not allow that in our country.
>> okay. so trump is saying now and also his surrogates, as you hear jeff saying, he has disavowed the kkk. no matter how the establishment tries to damage trump, it doesn't happen. how long can that last? that's for you, ryan. >> well, look, i think everyone agrees that he's the most likely person to be the republican nominee. and, you know, the train has left the station. and, you know, the scenarios by which ted cruz or marco rubio defeat him are increasingly more, you know, delusional. and at a certain point i don't see how you put the toothpaste back in the tube here. you have candidates like nikki haley and other elected officials on camera now saying that they will do anything to stop him and associating him with the kkk. just step back and think of that for a second. >> is that going to work? >> no. >> i'm saying in a general election. >> ryan, this is an important point. this is not about winning an election.
this is actually deeper. this transcends that. >> i agree with you. >> if you're a conservative and it's incumbent upon you to be concerned to a certain degree about brand management and this speaks to actually -- it violates our moral code, it is the death to conservatism. if you care deeply about issues, whatever it might be, like having free market, protecting the unborn, to allow that to be tarnished by the taint of racism cannot be permitted. >> but this is a crisis for the republican party because this person is on the way to being the nominee and as far as i can tell, there's really no plan to stop that. there's no break glass in the case of an emergency at the convention and substitute someone else. this is a crisis. this is a party that is falling apart here. >> donna, you know about branding candidates, right? go ahead.
>> look, having embraced a party that once had many racial stains, i mean, look, the democratic party, we are not perfect. you can call them names of everyone but we have renounced them. we have moved on. but the party now embraces opportunity for all. we're an inclusive party. this is something that the republican party has to come deal with, the hate mongering, the fearmongering. the obstructionists. this is a party that really has to come and look at america and deal with this and not just repudiate donald trump for not saying quick enough, fast enough that he disliked or disavowed david duke but as a party that has to come to terms with some of the things that has happened across the board. the islamaphobia, the
xenophobia. those issues are deep within the republican party and they need to be rooted out. >> and can i just add one thing, don, about the conversation whether he's a racist or not and i don't know if donald trump is personally a racist. >> he is not racist. >> i don't know what is in his heart but he's become the candidate of racists in this election and that has been very, very obvious since he announced. if you go to any of the fringe websites where racists gather object the internet, he's their candidate. you have the former -- >> you cannot help who supports you. >> right. but that's what we're talking about tonight, jeff. you can't tell -- right. you can't control who supports you. that's why you condemn them when you are asked. >> and he has condemned them. for decades. he has condemned it for decades. >> not on sunday. >> he did. >> stand by, everyone. here's the thing. and i said this earlier. ryan, i think you're exactly right. i don't think donald trump is a racist but he has become the candidate for racists and that in itself is bad. when people say you can't control who supports you,
absolutely right. but what you can control is your response to those people who support you at every single turn. so if donald trump doesn't believe in anything that the kkk says or racist people or people who are on the fringe, he has every opportunity, jeff, to say, i do not support that. i disavow that. i don't believe in it and if you believe that, don't vote for me. i'm not your candidate. go ahead. >> and he has said that at every turn. he is absolutely not a racist. >> i have never heard him say, don't vote for me. i'm not your candidate for that. i've never heard him say that. >> he has disavowed the entire thing. it's unfortunate. but when you have the top three contenders for the nomination and two have hispanic background, unfortunately, those terrible, awful, disgusting groups are going to support the one that does not have hispanic background. you can't help that. he has disavowed it. he has said he doesn't want the support.
everything that he can too -- do, he has done. it's the day before the election and honestly, it's very dishonest, where they are trying to trump this up into something that it is not. >> does it bother you what ryan said? because i believe there is some truth to that. because we would not be having this conversation. it's not that the kkk has endorsed him but he has become the candidate who, you know, racist people support, people like the kkk support. and who, you know, fight for support. you can see it on social media. you can probably go to my twitter feed right now, any one of our feeds -- >> but it would be treasonist if they voted against their heritage. >> that doesn't bother you, jeff? that doesn't bother him. >> he is a magnet for the kind of hateful rhetoric that comes from these fringe groups and white supremacist groups. that's what the problem is. he's a magnet for them. >> donna, donna, hang on. i'm going to go a little longer because i want to continue this conversation. when we were talking about -- okay. we're going to come back to this conversation. take a break and we'll come back to this.
back now with my panel, okay, let's get jeff back in. jeff, that doesn't bother you, as we were saying, he has become the party where white supremacist, racists, people like the kkk support? that doesn't bother you? >> it bothers me immensely. and quite frankly, i don't understand it. we actually during the break pulled up the kkk and one of their core tenants is they are against all immigrants, all immigrants. don't forget, donald trump is i think the only one of the race who is married to an immigrant. and just so you know, myself, i am married to an immigrant to this country. so, again, honestly, i'm sick to my stomach sitting here talking about this topic. it's the last thing that i want to go -- to be associated with. the last thing to look like i'm defending racism because it disgusts me to no end.
it's absolutely disgusting in every form. and so i'm sick that we're talking about it. i will tell you, i know donald trump on a personal level and he is not a racist. >> okay, jeff. let's listen. donna, you can help me out with this. i'm wondering why the double standard from all of the folks, he disavowed it. why do you keep going on this about racism? why is donald trump and his supporters, what's different about donald trump than was different about barack obama in 2008 and 2012 when had he to give a race speech, when he had to denounce the reverend wright and denounce farrakhan and al sharpton into the white house so many times? he had to give an entire speech. if you're running for leader of the free world and don't want to be bothered by such questions, then why are you doing it, then? what is different about donald trump versus any other person who has to answer these questions? >> look, when you start off with this claiming that the mexicans coming across the border were racists and blah, blah, blah and
then you go down that slippery islamaphobia and xenophobia and banning the mosques. >> why would he expect not to have to answer these questions? >> the donald trump that i used to read about -- of course, i'm a student of history. see, i remember that political race in louisiana very well. this was the one, vote for the lizard not the wizard. i mean, remember? the governor said i'm the crook, and it's important to vote for me, not the wizard. look, donald trump condemned president george bush. you had had leaders and leaders who denounced that type of racist, bigoted campaign. donald trump in 2000 continued
along that vein. the donald trump of 2015, 2016 has totally flipped on these issues and to say -- >> he has not flipped. >> he doesn't know enough about these organizations. excuse me? the blood that is still on the sidewalks and the trees from people who have been bombed and beaten and burned? and you don't know that history? you have to google that? you have to google the ku klux klan? i am sorry. i never stay up this late to talk about the klan. i want the klan to be part of the past. not the future. >> trump also attacked -- you don't have to go back that far to find inconsistencies. he attacked mitt romney for self-deportation, a policy that now -- >> i have to go. final thoughts. >> happy birthday to you, baby. >> thank you. that will be the final thought. i was going to ask ryan his. go ahead. >> i mean, i think the obvious answer for why he's doing this, he thinks there is a racist vote out there that this -- >> that is not correct. he has not condoned racism. he's condemned it.
he played coy with whether he accepts the support of david duke. >> he had a bad ear piece. >> jeff, please. don't come on tv and embarrass yourself by repeating that. we just watched the clip. he didn't have a bad ear piece. come on, man. >> thanks, guys. it was a good conversation. jeff dewitt, matt lewis, donna, thank you. i'll see you guys soon. up next, do trump's opponents finally have the ammunition to stop him?
we're talking about donald trump's stumble on disavowing the kkk. joining me is the rnc national committeeman and supporter of marco rubio and lanny davis, a long-time friend of hillary rodham clinton but doesn't speak for the campaign. gentlemen, thank you for joining me. henry, two former rnc chair member saying no way would they support donald trump. mel brooks say he cannot support him because he's a serial adulterer.
mitt romney calling his kkk marks disgusting. we know politics, dirty business. is this takedown under way? >> i sure hope it is. for him to say somehow he didn't hear what was being said about the ku klux klan, i know what he was doing. he was trying to appeal to southerners because he thinks somehow because we're from the south, surely we must like the ku klux klan and it is despicable and disgusting and equally bad, of course, is what he did to students at his trump university which the new york attorney general has called a bait and switch program. >> so explain this to me -- so we're certainly coming for him. >> henry, explain this to me. if you hold his feet to the fire about these comments, you're doing it because you don't like donald trump. explain this pretzel logic to me regarding this particular issue.
>> well, i don't know if i can explain that. what i can explain is, as a southerner, it is repulsive that a politician would try to appeal to a group of voters assuming that somehow or another he can't act like he doesn't like the ku klux klan because he can't upset the southerners, don't want to upset anybody. >> is it insulting to you as a southerner? >> it is insulting to me as a southerner and christian and as an american. >> how far should republicans go to take donald trump down if he is the choice of the plurality of the voters so far? is anything off the table, do you think? >> well, look, you want to be tough but you want to be honorable. you want to be factual and truthful. there are plenty of things to talk about with donald trump. i just mentioned trump
university. and what happened there, you got a lot of people who were trying to do something with their lives to learn about real estate and to make a living. and he just rips them off. how do you think he's made the money he's made? he has ripped people off. certainly at trump university, that's what happened. and i think if you look at for me, i'm pro life, the fact that he gave money to planned parenthood that funded abortion, that is not something that certainly appeals to me but one day he's pro choice and the next day he's pro life. he's all over the map. you know, we just have to define him as he is and make certain that people understand him. you can't trust him any more than the people trust hillary clinton. >> so lanny, the democrats have been snickering about donald trump and how they would love
him to be the nominee. are they still sure about that? >> you know, don, i've done this snicker on your show and i have to admit that i now regret it. we democrats certainly want to win in 2016 but when i hear somebody like mr. barbour who must be a conservative and a employ republican to be on the national committee, speaking about -- and the truth about what is a very dangerous possibility. he is the likely republican nominee. and the rest of the world will be seeing the major historic party of abraham lincoln led by somebody who uses such caricature, such hateful rhetoric and i do think it's no longer funny for to us celebrate the nomination of trump. i am sorry that i did that. i now realize that this man is shameful to even consider being the nominee of the great republican party that we have differences of philosophies.
between democrats and republicans, so i think this is very, very serious. i've been hearing from a lot of very loyal republicans, republicans who don't want to vote for hillary clinton but see donald trump as contrary to the entire heritage of not only the republican party but of this country. >> henry, why are republicans -- >> yes. >> -- conservatives, so opposed to donald trump beyond the kkk, you know, and so many people, so many voters are supporting him. why are conservatives so opposed? >> well, look, we want somebody that we can trust and for me, that person is marco rubio. marco rubio is the epitome of the american dream and he's a conservative that we can count on whereas with donald trump, we don't know where he'd be on the issues. senator rubio is a man who can win for us and if you ask lanny, i don't think mrs. clinton would really want to run against marco rubio. he does well against her in the
polls. he's got a broad appeal. he's the type of leader who i think is of the future as opposed to the past. >> but the person you're supporting, marco rubio is fighting hard. he's fighting tooth and nail but he's so far behind donald trump. now, let's just say -- i know you're hoping that marco rubio wins the nomination. if by chance donald trump does become the nominee, are you going to support him? >> you know, i have consistently said that i'm going to support the nominee and i will tell you, i'm going to fight for marco rubio and if donald trump is the nominee, it would be a real struggle to vote for him, to be honest. but i'm fighting for marco rubio. look, the key here is, you've got to get to 1,237 delegates and donald trump is going to have a good day tomorrow on super tuesday. by the way, tomorrow is super tuesday, and your birthday, i understand.
i hope you have a good day. i think donald trump is going to win delegates but i also think marco rubio is going to win delegates and i really think that marco rubio now is the candidate who can go toe to toe with donald trump. senator cruz had set up tomorrow as a big day but he's kind of been fading and he's fighting to win texas, which he probably will. >> final thoughts, henry. i've got to go. >> his campaign has struggled a bit. >> lanny, i apologize. i volunteer have to run. thank you both. >> thanks, don. while hillary clinton and bernie sanders do battle, there's one subject that they are completely unified on and that's donald trump. that's next.
political an j-- analyst angela rye. let's listen to hillary clinton and her reaction today for the gop. here it is. >> if i were grading some of those republicans, you remember the little box that used to be on your kids' report cards, play well with others? i'd have to put a big no, democracy requires that we play well with others. that's what it's all about. at some point we can't just say whatever pops into your head if you want to be the president of the united states of america. people around the world actually listen to what people running for president say. >> so does all of this, you know, the name calling and mudslinging, does it help the democrats? >> sure it does. here's the biggest advantage for hillary clinton. and, you know, i'm not saying there's a lot of people about donald trump. the guy pulls rabbits out of the hat and if he gets to be the nominee, he could win.
i doubt it. but hillary clinton's biggest problem going into a fall campaign -- and that's what she's doing spring training for right now, is her trust issue. and donald trump singlehandedly gives her back trust because by the time we're done with him, in terms of trust, the things he said and then flip-flops on, he's going be the candidate with the trust problems. it's not hillary clinton. >> angela, you said the democrats are uniquely positioned to compete against donald trump. listen, no one is counting him out here for anything. we're just saying, you know, we're just talking about his comments on the kkk. but why do you say that? >> i think for several reasons, don. one of the things that i even mentioned earlier is, of course, the gop produced this autopsy report in 2012 once they got slaughtered in the presidential and now we're in a day and age, four years later, four years
after that fact, we're now fighting on whether or not we're repudiating and disavowing whether kkk should be a thing. it's beyond me at this point because, of course it should be a thing. of course it shouldn't have anyplace in our political discourse. democrats are uniquely positioned because they are battling on who has the better plans for affordability, making college free, on whether or not they should have reparations in their platform. there's no contest. and whether there should or should not be a wall is not a discussion for democrats. that's why. it's truly the big tent party. >> a lot of people in the country want to hear what -- they are not that interested in that and -- sadly. i know democrats are, right? >> there's a reality tv show happening on the other side. who watch that? -- who would not watch that?
it's for the ratings, right? >> america's first black president cannot and will not be succeeded by a hatemonger who refuses to condemn the kkk. what does this say? >> it says it's a great opportunity to take the conversation away from bernie's loss. his slaughter in south carolina and hillary clinton no longer has to talk about the crime bill. people are saying, wait a minute, what is hillary clinton's connection to black people? hillary can say implicitly, i might put negros in jail but i'm not burning crosses. it shields her and bernie from their own political theories. hillary has had a big week because of south carolina. she is moving on and no longer thinking about bernie sanders and the national election. and she's preparing the nation for a hillary/trump standoff. it makes the way a lot easier for hillary. don't underestimate donald trump here.
he's pulled rabbits out of hats and i wouldn't be surprised if he still gets bigger numbers out of this, not smaller. >> listen, i've been telling you, the people who come on my show who underestimate donald trump, you should not do that. if you're going to run for president, don't underestimate them. bob, what does he do about this so-called kkk snafu after super tuesday? >> he had an opportunity to do something about it and didn't do it. when you make a snafu like this, unless you can cut it off right away, come out and say, i was wrong, i'm sorry, i didn't understand the question but nonetheless, it shouldn't have been said, disavow duke and all of that, the fact of the matter is, this carries it on for him. my guess is donald trump is going to do what he always does, come up with another controversy on another candidate and tomorrow will be a good day for him and that will give him a chance to put it in the rear-view mirror but this digs a little deeper. this is only one. there are a whole lot of other things about donald trump that
have yet to come out, taxes, a bunch of things that will put him in the defensive for a period of time to come. >> i've got to go. >> thank you, i'll see you soon. >> it's his 65th birthday. >> 65? i thought it was 60. >> 7 -- 65, black don't crack. >> i'm really mad. >> you should be. >> it's all good. thank you. stay tuned with cnn for super tuesday coverage as voters cast their ballots. good night, everyone. . . .
it is tuesday, super tuesday. finally here. millions across the country will cast ballots. donald trump and hillary clinton lead in the polls. will the voters deliver big surprises? i'm christine romans. welcome to "early start." >> i'm john berman. starting in hours, voters head to the polls. it is super tuesday. the stakes are high. as you can see here, the tensions boiling over. this was an altercation with the secret