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the making of an iranian propaganda video that followed. it turns out everything wasn't as hunky-dori as it seemed. plus, the sean penn interview about his interview with a sociopath drug lord on the run. why he says it was not about himself at all. this is cnn breaking news. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper coming to you from iowa where i just sat down with republican presidential front-runner donald trump. we'll bring you some of that interview in just a second, but first, some breaking news. another brutal day on wall street. let's go right to cnn's alison kosik in new york who has all the latest. alison. >> jake, on a very busy trading floor here at the new york stock exchange we've just heard the closing bell ring and stocks got crushed today. no doubt fear is ruling wall street these days. during today's session we saw the dow and the s&p 500 fall below levels that we haven't
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seen since august. the dow, you look at the year so far, the dow has fallen already 8% for the year. and we're only about two weeks into 2016. part of the reason we're seeing this dramatic fall in stocks, oil prices. oil prices also falling hitting 12-year lows, falling below $30 a barrel. the particular move in oil today happening because sanctions against iran are expected to be lifted. and that's expected to unleash more oil into an already oversaturated market where you see an oversupply of oil and less demand. the crash in oil is happening so much and so fast it's really spooking investors. and the thing is it's not just oil. china is also spooking investors as well. there are a lot of worries about china's slowing economy and affecting the u.s., the selloff actually happening today actually started in china, went to europe and then here to the u.s. even today in the u.s. getting some disappointing data on
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retail sales, certainly not helping the trade. retail sales fell in the crucial month of december. that's the holiday shopping period where retailers hope to make out a win. that didn't happen. also a regional manufacturing index falling to a level that we haven't seen since march 2009. that was during the recession. today we also saw investors dumping stocks because it is a weekend. and not just a weekend but a long weekend. the stock market is closed on monday, so a lot of times these investors don't want to hold onto stocks especially when the chinese markets will be open on sunday night, jake. >> thanks. with just 16 days to go until the first presidential contest of 2016, the iowa caucuses, donald trump had a lot to say when i sat down with him earlier today about the debate and about where the race goes from here. but first, let's go to our chief political correspondent dana bash who has all the highlights
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from last night's debate. dana. >> well, jake, the iowa caucuses are two and a half weeks away, so most candidates have already done what is a rite of passage in iowa presidential politics, stopping at a pizza ranch. but donald trump did that for the very first time today. not surprising since this campaign is anything but traditional. energized by a strong debate performance, donald trump rallied for votes in the first caucus state trump style. >> people say, oh, well just say you want to do well in iowa. just say you want to do well that way at the end if you come in second or third or fourth, you know, you can say -- i said i want to win iowa. >> reporter: he is neck and neck in iowa with ted cruz, a political death match that spilled on to the south carolina debate stage last night. >> because donald's mother was born in scotland. she was naturalized. now, donald -- >> but i was born here. >> on the issue of citizenship, donald -- >> big difference.
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>> on the issue of citizenship, donald. i'm not going to use your mother's birth against you. >> because it wouldn't work. >> reporter: cruz tried to turn the tables on trump who has been questioning the canadian born cruz's eligibility to be president. >> back in september my friend donald said that he had had his lawyers look at this from every which way. and there was no issue there. since september the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> why are you raising this issue now? >> because now he's doing a little bit better. >> reporter: but trump got the last word, going after cruz for disparaging his, quote, new york values, by invoking 9/11. >> and we rebuilt downtown manhattan, and everybody in the world watched. that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> reporter: for that trump got rare backup from new york democrats, former new york senator now democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton tweeted, just this once trump's right.
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new yorkers value hard work, diversity, tolerance, resilience and building better lives for our families. the new york daily news was more blunt saying, drop dead, ted. with the statue of liberty giving him the one-finger salute. as for trump and cruz, their scuffles would be standard fair had competitors not been embracing only months ago. >> donald trump has been tremendously beneficial to our campaign. >> reporter: why do you have this bromance? >> well, it is a little bit of a romance. i like him. he likes me. he's backed me 100% -- >> reporter: that was then. this is now. >> so i guess the bromance is over. >> reporter: do you see ted cruz as your biggest competition right now? >> no, not really. >> reporter: now, a formal presidential candidate who trump sparred with a lot, lindsey graham, threw his support behind jeb bush today, graham senior senator from south carolina which of course holds the first in the south primary said he believes bush is best prepared to be commander in chief. he also said he likes marco
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rubio too, but at age 44 he's just not ready to be president, jake. >> thanks. earlier today i sat down with republican presidential front-runner donald trump to talk about last night's debate and to talk about the ted cruz challenge to the new yorker at the top of the heap. you defended new yorkers after senator cruz sed you embodied new york values. you were insulted, governor cuomo said he was insulted, some new york pundits including from fox and fox business channel said they were insulted. there are some observers out there who think when ted cruz is talking about new york values he's invoking something else. he's talking about in their view, ethnics, jews, what do you think he means? >> i'm not sure that he knows what he means to be honest with you. i thought it was very -- he should have never said it. i thought it was very insulting to a lot of people including maria who was asking the question. i thought it was very insulting and i immediately thought of the world trade center and the
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bravery of new yorkers and the genius of new yorkers to be able to take that whole section and rebuild after the tragedy -- the worst thing that ever happened to our nation in terms of an attack. worse than pearl harbor because pearl harbor they were attacking the military, here they were attacking civilians, having breakfast and being in offices. and frankly you had two 110-story buildings fall down, thousands of lives, death and the smell of death. i mean, the smell of death. and to see what happened, that resurrection, that whole thing take place, new york has gotten tremendous credit for it. and i thought it was disgraceful that he brought that up. >> what do you think he was going after something a dog whistle of sorts talking about ethnic people. >> well, probably you would have to ask him. i don't know what he was talking about. some people gave him pretty good reviews in the debate. i thought he came across very strident and not a nice person. and people don't like that. >> the issue about his constitutional eligibility for the office, he brought up an
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extreme example, an extreme interpretation of natural born citizen, one that wouldn't even allow marco rubio to be president. i know that you have been talking about this challenge as something that legal experts and democrats might invoke. what do you think? do you think that ted cruz is constitutionally eligible? do you think marco rubio is? >> so it's a very, very simple subject in one way. when i say simple, it's simple in that it is a cloud. you can't have a cloud. you can't pick a candidate that may have a 5%, 10%, 25% chance. by the way, since that happened there have been lawsuits filed. you know that. it's been filed. and i said lawsuits are going to be filed. the democrats are going to file lawsuits. they filed lawsuits. now, he's got a problem. he was born in canada. he was a canadian citizen until 15 months ago. i mean if you can believe that. >> he had dual citizenship, yeah. >> but he was a canadian citizen. >> he says he didn't know.
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>> he didn't know? well he didn't know about his financial papers either. how are you going to be about president if you don't know about a million dollar loan from goldman sachs and you said it's something you don't know about now he doesn't know that he was a canadian citizen? i mean, that's in a way maybe worse than all of the other things we're talking about. >> do you think that cloud -- >> here's the thing. we have a man that didn't know about his financial statement. we had a man who signed an agreement saying that you know everything. you know, he's signing -- you're signing an oath. >> you have to file them. >> very serious thing. i had almost 100 pages and billions and billions of dollars that i'm talking about. and i'm signing. and he's got a very small amount of money relatively and he makes a mistake. i don't know, that's a pretty big mistake to make. >> lindsey graham, former presidential candidate, endorsing jeb bush. your response. >> jeb has no chance. jeb has no chance. jeb is spending so much money. think of it, he spent $69 million. i spent nothing. he's at the bottom of the pack.
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i'm at the top of the pack. that's what we need for our country. i'm going to start spending money really for two reasons, one i feel guilty because i'm $35 million -- >> you don't mean literally not compared to $69 million. >> well, like practically nothing. but if you look at it, he's spent $69 million and much more than that i think. he's at the bottom of the pack. and i spent practically nothing. now, i'm going to start spending money for two reasons. number one, i feel guilty because i'm $35 million under budget. i do. i feel guilty. number two, i don't want to take a chance. okay. so we're starting as you notice we started an ad, we'll see what happens. >> what about lindsey graham endorsing -- >> i think it's incredible. lindsey graham got out with zero. he had zero. he had nothing. that's number one. he's not going to get any voters. and i think it's a very bad thing for lindsey graham. and i think it shows, i mean, why is he endorsing -- jeb has no chance. >> you can see much more of my interview with donald trump this sunday on state of the union at
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welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper in iowa, the center of the political universe where in just 16 days voters will actually start this process and the decision will be in their hands. just a few minutes ago i sat down with the longest serving governor in american history, terry branstad, who gave us the inside scoop on who he thinks has the best ground game and who he thinks has momentum. governor, thanks so much for doing this. >> you're welcome, jake. welcome to iowa and to the machine shed restaurant. >> from what you see on the ground, which republican do you think -- which campaign has the best ground game? i don't need to tell you that is so important in terms of getting
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people to the caucuses and actually winning. >> got to probably say cruz has the best ground game at this point in time. every caucus we've gone through a lot of people make their decision up late, so it all depends upon who finishes strong. at this point in the campaign last time very few people were predicting santorum would win iowa. and he did. >> he did. >> and huckabee came from behind to win the time before. so we'll see what happens. i know that huckabee's already been to all 99 counties, and he's putting an extraordinary effort in here at the end. you know, trump is getting huge crowds. and a lot of people are saying the question is can he turn those turnouts at his rallies into people that actually go to the caucuses? but i think a lot of these people are really committed. >> do you think that the people that are turning out to see trump will actually devote the hours necessary to caucus for him? >> well, i think he's doing some training sessions and making extraordinary efforts. so i wouldn't discount the fact that he could bring a lot of new
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people in just as we saw in the democratic side, obama did eight years ago. and this time as i travel the state i see a lot of bernie sanders bumper stickers and yard signs. >> really? >> so i think on the democratic side i think sanders has real momentum. on the republican side, you know, cruz was ahead, but his stand on renewable fuels i think could really hurt him here. >> ethanol. >> yes, ethanol. wind energy, he's opposed to the wind energy tax credit. he's opposed to ethanol and biodiesel. and we have tens of thousands of jobs and a lot of farm income dependent on that. and i know there's a lot of people working in those ethanol refineries and farmers that are not going to vote for somebody that opposes something that's so important to our state's economy. >> let me ask you a question, every four years i come here, i've loved coming here. but every four years i get asked the same question from people who are not from iowa, why does iowa get such a strong voice in this? the last two republican
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caucuses, santorum and huckabee, won and they didn't go onto get the nomination. not even really close. >> yeah, but the last two presidents got their start in iowa. both barack obama and george w. bush. so don't discount iowa. >> your fellow governor, nikki haley from south carolina did the response to the president's state of the union address. one of the things she did was take on donald trump not by name but did say she was talking about him when she said voters should resist the, quote, siren call of the angriest voices. are you with her on concern about that? >> well, first of all, i say i love nikki haley. i think she's a great governor. >> what did you think about that part of her speech when she talked about the angriest voices in reference to trump? >> well, i think there has to be division for the future as well. in defense of donald trump he says let's make america great again. so he's angry about the mess that we're in, the lack of leadership on the obama administration in dealing with the islamic militant threat and
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the killings that are going on in our country and throughout the world, and also just the financial mess we're in and the lack of respect that america now is getting in the world. so i think he's voiced that. and he's really tapped in to a great level of discontent among americans in the direction the country's going. iowa's going the right direction. america's going the wrong direction. we need new leadership. >> you have a feel for the democrats in this state as well as the republicans. you've been re-elected many, many times. >> yeah. that means a lot of democrats have voted for me. and i appreciate that too. >> right. what is it do you think that has iowa democrats doubting hillary clinton? she's in a very tough race here. she came in third in iowa in 2008. what is it about her that isn't connecting here? >> she's not genuine. it's all orchestrated situation. the way she started her campaign in iowa, hand picked groups, not taking questions from the media. bernie sanders on the other hand
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has been out there, has made a great impression, he's gone from virtually nowhere. he's building enthusiasm among new caucus goers and young people. he's beating her better than two-to-one. i think the momentum is with him. if you look at what happened eight years ago, she was the front-runner and she blew it. and i think she's in panic mode at this point. >> governor, thanks so much. really appreciate it. >> you're welcome, jake. thanks. coming up on "the lead," sean penn talks about his regrets about that "el chapo" interview. stay with us.
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper in iowa where in just 16 days voters will actually take over this process and start making their actual picks. just a few hours ago i sat down with republican front-runner donald trump. you can see the rest of that interview this sunday on cnn's state of the union. but right now i want to throw it back to my colleague jim sciutto in washington for more of today's breaking news stories, jim. >> thank you, jake tapper. topping our world lead today, actor sean penn breaking his silence about his controversial
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and/or outrage inducing meeting with the drug kingpin joaquin "el chapo" guzman. tells cbs's "60 minutes" he did not lead authorities to "el chapo" insisting his purpose of his visit was to spark a conversation about the u.s. war on drugs. not to seek his seemingly favorite drug attention. >> there is this myth about the visit that we made, my colleagues and i, with "el chapo" that it was as the attorney general in mexico has quoted, essential to his capture. we had met with him many weeks earlier. >> on october 2nd. >> on october 2nd. in a place nowhere near where he was captured. >> so as far as you know you had nothing to do and your visit had nothing to do with his re-capture? >> here's the things that we
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know. we know that the mexican government, they were clearly very humiliated by the notion that someone found him before they did. well, nobody found him before they did. we didn't -- we're not smarter than the d.e.a. or the mexican intelligence. we had a contact upon which we were able to facilitate an invitation. >> do you believe that the mexican government released this in part because they wanted to see you blamed and to put you at risk? >> yes. >> they wanted to encourage the cartel to put you in their crosshairs? >> yes. >> are you fearful for your life? >> no. >> you have said to the a.p., and i'm asking now. >> uh-huh. >> you have no regrets? >> i have terrible regret. >> what are the regrets? >> i have a regret that the entire discussion about this
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article ignores its purpose, which was to try to contribute to this discussion about the policy in the war on drugs. >> joining me now is executive editor at the hollywood reporter. first, matthew, if i could begin, there have been some -- and not just in my business who might say has its own issues who look at this as a sean penn vanity project, this interview. how do you see it? >> well, i think that that's a legitimate argument, but it ignores the fact that sean penn has been an activist in addition to an actor for many years now. he's been very involved in haiti. he's been writing on different subjects. he's just a very curious and kind of worldly guy, so, yes, there may be a vanity element to this, wow, i get to meet with the most wanted man on the planet. but i think there really is an effort on his part to get this
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conversation going. >> i mean, it's one thing to be active in for instance haiti earthquake relief. i mean, he met a murderous drug kingpin who was being searched for by mexican authorities. and he sort of went around that process to go meet with him himself. that's different from your typical hollywood aid project. >> it is. but it's certainly got a lot of attention. and i think that, you know, if anyone can recognize the power of attention on the subject it would be a hollywood actor, he knew that going and talking to this guy -- and at the time he didn't know if he would be captured by the time this article came out. in fact, the plan was to put the article in the magazine and online before he was captured. so, you know, he knew that it would bring attention to this subject. so i do at least understand the argument that he's making that this was part of a larger effort to get a conversation going on this issue of the war on drugs and the cost of the war on
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drugs. >> let's set aside the moment how you get that conversation going and whether that includes going after a guy who's in hiding here. but let me ask you this, in that charlie rose interview he makes a pretty strong and alarming argument, and that is that mexican authorities are making it up that he helped lead them to "el chapo" on the idea. and you heard him say it there and charlie asked him a couple of times, that they almost want to help get a hit out on. i'm not going to ask you whether you believe if that's true, i'm just going to ask you whether you believe that sean penn believes that's actually true? >> i don't know how sean penn can know that that's true. i mean, he's not a member of the mexican intelligence group there. he's not a member of the d.e.a. i don't know how he would know that his appearance there with "el chapo" did or did not assist their effort to apprehend them. in fact, we've seen reports that "el chapo" was nearly captured,
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you know, in the days and weeks after that meeting suggesting that perhaps it did lead them to where he was and he just managed to escape again. so i don't know -- i understand his fear. and i understand, you know, why he wants that message out, but i don't know how he would know that. >> well, matthew, thanks very much for walking us through it. certainly fascinating interview to watch. well, hillary clinton is telling bernie sanders in effect to show her the money. sanders under pressure to dish details on his universal health care plan as clinton watches her lead evaporate like it's 2008 all over again. that's coming up right after this. hi i'm heather cox
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welcome back to "the lead." more in our politics lead now. with two weeks and two days until iowa, some heated democrat in-fighting to match the battles inside the gop. hillary clinton is trying to show just how different she would be as president compared to her democratic rival senator bernie sanders. she is pushing sanders to
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explain his grand plan to simplify health care across the country. would it scrap what is now known as obamacare? would it mean more taxes for you? for now it means escalating attacks between candidates. cnn's brianna keilar joining me now. brianna, i was coming close, hillary clinton's polling not looking great. she's reaching out to her husband, is this a sign it's sinking in they may be in trouble? >> well, this is something that i think was probably in the works as they got closer and the polls did tighten. but what's really striking, jim, is that in the past bill clinton has been one of hillary clinton's biggest defenders. he's defending her for sure, but he's not as sharp tongued this time. he's really shoring up support for his wife, but he's leaving that criticism of bernie sanders to his wife and even his daughter. hillary clinton's so-called not so secret weapon stumping in iowa today. >> she's the best knowing how to
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find common ground. and then if you make her, to stand her ground. >> reporter: as the race tightens, bill clinton so far is staying away from attacks like the ones he leveled at barack obama in 2008, an approach that ultimately backfired. >> this whole thing is the biggest fairytale i've ever seen. >> reporter: but hillary clinton is unleashing a blitz of criticism calling sanders plan for a singer payer health care system unrealistic and expensive. today, clinton accused sanders of purposely withholding details about how he would give all americans health coverage through medicare effectively eliminating private insurance companies. >> basically what he's doing is saying, hey, we need to start all over again. let's tear it up and replace it. details to be forthcoming. and another big national divisive debate which i just don't agree with. >> reporter: sanders says he does not want to scrap obamacare. >> clearly despite the gains of the affordable care act we have got to build on it and go much
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further. >> reporter: some estimates say sanders plan will cost taxpayers $15 trillion. so far he hasn't offered specifics on how to pay for it. but he says those details are coming before the iowa caucuses. >> we will come out to that. we'll have an outline for that certainly before iowa. >> reporter: with the race in iowa a dead heat and sanders commanding a big lead in new hampshire, he's dismissing clinton's stepped up rhetoric as sour grapes from her campaign. >> they're mad at me today, mad at me yesterday, mad at me tomorrow, mad at me for a long time. >> will they like me? no. >> reporter: they're mad because of this. >> there are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. one says it's okay to take millions from big banks and then tell them what to do. >> reporter: an ad highlighting clinton's ties to wall street and his promise to break up the big banks. the clinton campaign accuses sanders of breaking his pledge not to run negative ads, a charge sanders rejects. >> you're looking at a public
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official, a u.s. senator, who has won elections and lost elections, been in a number of elections. i have never run a negative radio or television ad in my life. >> maybe these two campaigns will just have to agree to disagree on that, but both candidates are spending some time getting ready for the next debate. that's this sunday in south carolina, and erveryone is goin to be watching to see if this new combative tone we're seeing between hillary clinton and bernie sanders makes its way to the debate stage. >> brianna keilar, thank you so much. brian fallon, thanks for joining us. it's good to have you on. i want to ask you about a particular argument, hillary clinton going after bernie sanders saying his plan threatens obamacare. but in reality his plan being a single payer health care system is frankly bigger, more expansive than obamacare, which many in the democratic base want. so isn't that in some ways
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ultimately a failing argument to criticize him for having a bigger idea in effect for health care? >> no. here's where the disagreement is, jim, on this issue. both hillary clinton and bernie sanders strongly support universal health care as does president obama. this is something that the democratic party has fought for for decades. and with the affordable care act we made a tremendous advance towards that goal. i think that the debate in this campaign right now is over the fact that while hillary clinton has put out a detailed proposal on how she would build on the affordable care act, bernie sanders has gone around suggesting that he's for a single payer system that he won't put any details out to describe. and so -- >> so it's not the idea it's that he hasn't given specifics how to get to that goal. that's what you're saying. >> well, if he puts forward the details and again this is a signature policy prescription he has he talks almost every campaign event so it's quite strange two weeks before iowa he's unwilling to release details. as brianna just detailed, it's
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likely to cost upwards of $15 trillion, and that in turn would necessitate tax increases on middle class tax households. so the voters of iowa should have the opportunity to see the impacts that it would have on their tax bills and make a judgment whether they think it's in their best interest or not. >> let's get a little bit to the poll numbers for hillary clinton. you heard in jake tapper's conversation with iowa governor terry branstad. grant it he's republican, but he blamed hillary's slide in the polls on the ground game, it's not genuine, too orchestrated. the reason i ask is that is a criticism not just from the republican party, you've heard it from some inside the democratic party as you watch those numbers. what's your answer to that criticism? >> i just don't think it's true. and we'll see when the iowa caucuses take place. but i'm confident that the ground operation that we built in iowa is second to none. we were there earlier than anybody else. it's more intense than anybody else's ground organization. if you sample democrats in iowa,
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they will confirm that they get more phone calls and door knocks from the clinton campaign than anybody else. >> but the numbers don't reflect that hard work if the hard work is true. i know hillary clinton called the early polls, the numbers have now dropped off, her support has now dropped off from, she's called them artificial, but it's a momentum game, is it not? and the momentum as you head into iowa and new hampshire does not appear to be with your candidate. >> the race has been pretty consistently tight in both iowa and new hampshire, jim. and this is a natural thing. if you looked at the polling back in april even when the lead was much vaster for hillary clinton mostly based on the fact she was a known quantity and had just come off of her tenure as secretary state and not yet viewed in a political context, even back then democrats were consistently saying they wanted to have a competitive process. >> but who wants -- [ overlapping speakers ] who wants to see numbers drop as you get closer to the key beginning primaries? >> well, this is a natural
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tightening that's going to take place whenever you get into the closing weeks and voters pay more attention. we're confident at the end of the day that des moines register poll that showed a two-point lead for our campaign showed i think 40% of folks are still deciding even those identified as supporting one candidate or the other making up their mind. we're confident in the closing weeks the final consideration for the voters will be who can best take on the republicans not just in november but as president to get things done in washington. and i think that the more that that consideration enters into their mind, the more they're likely to side with hillary clinton who can get things done. so the high stakes will factor into voters decision making in the end. >> you probably heard last night the republican candidate carly fiorina very critical of hillary clinton. not the only one. but listen to part of her opening remarks. i want to draw attention to this. have a listen. >> i'm not a political insider. i haven't spent my lifetime running for office. unlike another woman in this race, i actually love spending time with my husband.
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>> ouch. i mean, what else can you say? but let's be honest, it's likely a taste of things to come if she makes the general election. how do you handle those weaknesses? how do you handle those arguments? we've already seen people dredging up, you know, the history from the early to late '90s, monica lewinsky, et cet a cetera. how do you handle that? >> well, i think all that comment last night by carly fiorina speaks to is the fact that she's very -- been struggling now for a couple months ever since that first debate. >> but she's not the only one to be bringing it up. >> no, it's something that donald trump has now caused a race into the gutter from all the republican candidates and talking about. i think it's crass. i think the voters recoil at it. i think it was something tried throughout the '90s and didn't work. president clinton today in his post presidency is as popular as ever. so i think they can try it, but i think it will be a dead end. >> brian fallon, we appreciate you taking the hard questions. thanks for coming on. >> thanks. forced to smile, the ten american sailors detained by
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iran were told to act happy. what would have happened if they didn't go along with those orders? plus, it is arguably the most dangerous sport there is. so why do so many b.a.s.e. jumpers risk their lives to do it? we find out in a sneak peek at a new and exciting cnn film. when i lay in my tempur pedic contour-
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in our world lead now, new details today about those disturbing, some in the military have told me humiliating, images of american sailors detained by iran. we are learning these sailors may have been told to look happy and their commanding officer may have been pressured to apologize, feeling he had no choice but to say that he and his crew made a mistake. this new information comes days, perhaps hours before the nuclear deal with iran could take effect giving the country access to tens of billions of dollars in frozen assets and much more. tonight, new information that the capture of ten u.s. sailors by iran was at times stage managed by their captors. the americans told to smile and
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look happy while they were being filmed. their commander, u.s. military officials tell cnn, felt he had no choice but to apologize for entering iranian waters. >> it was a mistake. that was our fault. and we apologize for our mistake. >> reporter: despite images that many inside and outside the military find humiliating, administration officials continue to argue that the final result, the sailors' release within less than 24 hours was a successful end to what could have been a far worse situation. >> i don't think there's any reason for anybody to be embarrassed. if we followed the advice of some of the republican critics or the administration, you know, we'd probably be in a bloody war with iran right now over our sailors. >> reporter: the images stand in sharp contrast to the expected implementation of a nuclear agreement with iran, which u.s. officials tell cnn could come as soon as this weekend. implementation means the end of punishing economic sanctions. iran will be able to sell its oil and gas more freely on
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international markets, european and american firms will have many restrictions on doing business with iran lifting and iran will regain access to some $150 billion in assets frozen overseas. the u.s. treasury officials estimate tehran will only net about a third of that amount. the administration contends it is all worth it to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, and that it will continue to closely monitor iran's compliance. >> we do have the ability if we detect that iran is not fulfilling all of their commitments that we can snap sanctions back into place. >> reporter: still, critics say that recent steps by iran including test firing ballistic missiles in violation of u.n. resolutions show why the u.s. should be wary. >> they took ten american sailors and they were supporting the genocidal regime in syria. so it's deep concern that this regime is going to get hundreds of billions of dollars to
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welcome back to "the lead." in our pop lead now, why would any perfectly sane person parachute off a cliff? that's what people asked b.a.s.e. jumper carl banish all the time. now, a new fascinating film makes its tv debut on cnn this sunday is exploring the life of the man considered to be the father of b.a.s.e. jumping. check out these daredevils. every week about 1,000 of these people jump off from buildings, antennas, spans and earth, hence the acronym b.a.s.e.
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incredible rush, but it's also extremely dangerous. cnn correspondent mamartin savih a look at the world's deadliest sport. martin, explain to us why would someone do this when there's clearly so much risk? >> right, jim. good to see you. i mean, this is the question i asked b.a.s.e. jumpers over and over. why in the world do you do it? two reasons, you're either crazy or an adrenaline junkie. turns out there's a lot more to it than that. >> let's do this. >> reporter: b.a.s.e. jumping is the world's most extreme and forbidden sport. no wonder hollywood loves it. in the newly released warner brothers movie "point break," b.a.s.e. jumpers jump 60 times to create one amazing scene. >> it doesn't look real, but it's almost too spectacular, but it is all real. when you see a person a foot off the ground, it's because they're a foot off the ground. >> reporter: the father of b.a.s.e. jumping strapped a movie camera to his head and
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dove from a cliff in yosemite. >> back in the day, you know, you jumped this on your head. >> reporter: three things are fueling the sports popularity, two of which had nothing to do with jumping. >> now we can put forward facing. you can do what's called the unicorn cam where there's a pole you can film your head and body flying through stuff. >> reporter: relatively inexpensive minicameras allow b.a.s.e. jumpers to capture their stunning death defying stunts. and thanks to the internet they share their video with the world. >> two parachutes, two rigs. >> reporter: b.a.s.e. jumping's thirdly forward, the wing suit. you wear it almost like a coat. i mean, it looks like that. the wing suit gives modern b.a.s.e. jumpers much more maneuverability transforming what was once falling into flying. >> you're flying at 100 miles an hour down through the trees and over the ground and out into the beautiful swiss valley, there's nothing like it.
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>> reporter: all three advances have made more people want to take up the sport. and as its popularity rises, so does the death toll. in what was already perhaps the world's deadliest pastime. >> almost eight or nine out of ten b.a.s.e. jumpers who would die in b.a.s.e. jumping would be -- that would be associated with wings of flight. >> reporter: adrenaline isn't the only thing propelling some b.a.s.e. jumpers. there's also the lure of big money. from corporate sponsors. companies like brightling and red bull pay these extreme athletes to push the envelope helping to fund jet propelled wingsuits. and perhaps the most extreme jump of all, from the edge of space. carl banish started all of this died on a jump in 1984, but b.a.s.e. jumper -- thinks he'd be thrilled to see how the sport he started has taken off. >> carl would love where it's
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gone. i think he'd also be very interested to see how many people are in it and how many people want to do it. >> reporter: those who do it say b.a.s.e. jumping is not about living life on the edge. but going over it. one of the fascinating things when you talk to these b.a.s.e. jumpers, they notice and say to you, it's the peacefulness of it. which is something i never thought about. but they say, look, you jump out of a plane, there's wind, noise. jump off a cliff at least for the first five or six seconds absolutely silent. and they say it's almost spiritual, jim. >> well, those images are just incredible. just quickly, is this something really anybody can do? >> no, no. >> buy a wingsuit and jump? >> no, no not by any means. you need years of training, you should do at least 100 to 200 sky dives before you consider b.a.s.e. jumping. those people you see have years of experience, not a weekend warrior thing. >> important to know. martin savidge, thank you. you can watch this incredible film "sunshine superman" this sunday at 9:00 eastern time
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right here on cnn. i'm going to be watching for sure. that's it for "the lead." i'm jim sciutto in today for jake tapper. i turn you over to wolf blitzer where you normally find him, in "the situation room." happening now, midair collision, desperate search underway right now for any trace of survivors after a horrific accident off the coast of hawaii. a dozen marines are missing after two military helicopters collide in the dark. what went wrong? i'll ask the congresswoman whose district includes the helicop r helicopter's bay. faking smiles, new details emerging about iran's fremont of ten u.s. sailors captured then freed this week. they say they were told to act happy for iran's propaganda videos. all this comes as iran is about to get a multibillion dollar windfall. its leaders can spend basically any way they want. new york nicked. ted cruz insults new york values, donald trump fires ck