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details about critical clues they left behind in a hunting cabin. we're also learning about a shocking statement made by a prison worker who helped them he is came. and a passionate new push to remove the confederate flag from the state capital and some of the largest retailers say they'll no longer sell merchandise bearing the emblem. i'll talk about the debate. stunning new revelations from the medical examiner report on freddy gray. what impact will the new information have on the police officers charged on his death? and trump rising. the outspoken billionaire presidential candidate surging in a new poll showing him near the top of the republican path. cnn catches up with him as he steps off the campaign trail and on to the golf course.
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we want to welcome our viewers from the united states and around the world. you're in the situation room. the manhunt for two escaped murderers heating up right now. a source just revealed to cnn that prison worker joyce mitchell has admitted to investigators, she smuggled hacksaw blades to the men inside hamburger meat. also new dash cam video of the white supremacist dylann roof. now there's growing momentum behind efforts to remove the confederate battle flag as an emblem of hate from state houses. we're covering all angles of the breaking news with our guests. let's begin with the manhunt upstate new york. our national correspondent jason carroll is on the scene. what do we know about this new information pertaining to that
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prison worker joyce mitchell who is now under arrest? >> a lot of new information about joyce mitchell. apparently she vouched for them for several months went as far as giving baked goods to other guards at the prison to try to convince other guards that both of these inmates were good guys and could be trusted. we are also hearing, wolf from a law enforcement source that joyce mitchell went as far as to going to prison officials to have david sweat's cell moved right next on richard matt's. all of this new information coming in as this intense manhunt is well underway. >> a law enforcement official tells cnn, richard matt and david sweat may have left behind personal items including a pair of boots and what appears to be provisions they may have planned to take with them as they rushed out in a hurry. the manhunt now intensifying. and that wooded area just 20
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miles west of the prison. a source with knowledge of the investigation tells cnn that mitchell passed tools used in the escape in a chunk of frozen hamburger meat. she asked a prison guard on the honor block to carry the meat into the prison and pass to it richard matt. this as the husband of joyce mitchell the prison employee accused of helping matt and sweat escape is speaking out for the first time. telling nbc's "today" show that they planned on killing him to help make their escape go smoothly. >> she told me that matt wanted her to pick him up. she said i never leave without lyle. never. and he said i'll give you some pills to give him to knock him out. and you can pick us up. she said i can't do this. then she said he threatened her that somebody inside the facilities would do something to me to harm me or kill me or something outside of jail if she didn't do this. >> had she picked them up he doesn't think she would have survived. >> she would have been dead in
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half an hour. just the getaway. they would kill her and all they wanted was that vehicle. >> and lyle mitchell denying reports that his wife had a sexual relationship with either of the inmates. >> she wore on her son's life and her son, i never, ever had sex with them. >> and new video obtained by abc news offers some insight into the mindset of richard matt. it shows him in 1997 smiling and posing with a blow gun. >> dip these in aids blood. we'll put a patent on them and sell them as deadly weapons. >> the blow gun fired into his arm. this video done nine months before he then dismebld his own boss putting matt behind bars. and a little more information if i may about that big chunk of meat that was passed on to richard matt. apparently joyce mitchell convinced a prison guard by the
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name of gene palmer to pass that meat to richard matt. it did not go through a metal detector. a violation of prison policy. i did speak to palmer's attorney several times. i spoke to him at length about everything that had gone on about, the allegations. he said his client didn't know about the frozen meat or any escape plans. he can tell you the new york state inspector general is looking into the correctional facility trying to find out everything that went on before the escape. wolf? >> all right, jason carroll on the scene for us. let's bring in evan perez who is also working the story for us. what else are you hearing from your sources? >> we know from federal sources the federal government is sending in additional resources to upstate new york on help with this manhunt. clearly, i'm told by one law enforcement official that they're cautiously optimistic that they do believe they're looking in the right area.
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finally after looking all over the state. all the way close to the border with pennsylvania. the other thing that is interesting, the fbi, the marshal service, the atf are lending a bigger role. the filibuster even helped conduct the interview this past weekend gene palmer the prison worker who is now under suspension. the question that is now arising from law enforcement is beyond the hacksaw blades which were snuck into the prison these prisoners had to know more about the blue print of the prison. something about what was beneath the prison to get out. that's the question they're asking. beyond just the role of joyce mitchell were there other people involved in perhaps helping them learn how to make their way out? >> there is a lot of suspicion that there were others who may have been involved.
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day 18 of this search. the other breaking story we're following, newly released dash cam video of the arrest of dylann roof hours after shot and killed nine people inside an african-american church in charleston south carolina. his embrace of the battle flag is a symbol of white supremacy has begun a fast moving search. some of the largest retailers say they will stop selling merchandise bearing the flags. cnn's martin savage is joining us. what's the latest? >> reporter: well wolf today both the senate and the house legislature here in south carolina passed resolutions that said they can now begin talking about the possibility of passing some kind of measure to bring down confederate flag and it is no small measure. in both cases it required a two-thirds majority. however, saying that you're going to start talking about it and actually acting and doing
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something about taking down that flag we're a long way from that. hundreds of south carolinians rallied on the steps of the south carolina state house. while inside state lawmakers. >> the world is watching us. >> our ancestors were literally fighting to keep human beings as slaves and continue the unimaginable acts that occur when someone is held against their will. i am not proud of this heritage. >> the controversy is not a new one. the flag was removed atop the capitol dome in 2000. after last week's massacre nicky haley, a republican made it very clear where she stands. >> it's time to move the flag
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from the capitol grounds. >> many prominent republican politicians have followed suit. some with a long held relief that it represents southern heritage. >> this is a circumstance where the people led the politicians. i came to conclude after going to charleston that we had to act and sooner rather than later and god help south carolina if we fail to achieve the goal of removing the flag. >> the rallying cry is sweeping the south from south carolina to mississippi. one of the few states where the fred flag still flies. lawmakers who once engaged the south are growing in coreus. mississippi did what no other has done publicly called to change. as a christian i believe our state's flag has become a point of offense. that needs to be removed. >> i believe the same is true here in the commonwealth of virginia. >> and in virginia, the state's governor announced the state would take steps to stop issuing
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license plates bearing the divisive flag. sears and walmart with stores across the u.s. are removing the confederate flag merchandise from its shelves. >> we don't want to sell products that makes anyone feel uncomfortable. this was the right thing to do. >> the attitude has been that this is a very, very difficult decision despite the bipartisan support that you saw yesterday. the counter to that is doing good is usually not easy. >> let's talk about all of this with the ranking member of the house home land security. thank you for coming in. i spoke earlier today with a friend of yours, jim clyburn. he pointed out to me something i didn't know. the state of mississippi. you're the only african-american a representative from mississippi.
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you won't fly that mississippi state flag in your congressional office or outside your congressional office. is that right? >> that's correct. >> basically because as an african-american i resent what the flag implies. i am not one to promote hate or hostility. i don't see it as heritage. and i personally take offense to it because we are better than that. and i'm convinced that the only way you can solve it is by not displaying it. >> 40%. nearly 40% of the people who live in your state of mississippi are african-americans. the highest percentage of any state in the united states. it seems hike the political clout of african-americans in mississippi might be limited, right in. >> it is. had it not been for the voting rights act, i wouldn't be here. it has always taken a federal oversight to make things happen.
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the flag i agree, is a local issue. if you're going to make this country the country that we know it can be we're going to have to put these symbols into museums where they belong and not front and center and try to defend actions that were meant to enslave people. >> you see in south carolina they're moving to get rid of the flag from the state grounds at the capitol. all of a sudden some people in the legislature, some people in mississippi, they're saying it is time to change the state flag. >> i'm happy to see it. say that he is a christian. he's looked at this thing and he's convinced that we need to revisit. and i'm hoping we will move it out of the capitol. make it not the state's flag. that symbol has been a symbol of repression and hate to a lot of
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right thinking people in this country. and i think in my state, we would do better by changing the flag coming with something new that represents the new mississippi and not the old mississippi. >> is this a partisan issue? whereby the democrats want to get rid of the symbol and the flag, the republicans want to keep it? has that been historically true? >> well no. the old guard trying to defend the past. this flag represents the past and it is on an effort to keep it. so no maer what you, as a state with a 40% african-american population and more african-american officials than any other state, we can do better. the image of who we are can be enhanced.
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>> we're going to work on it. hope springs eternal. i am convinced there are those in my state who want a better view. >> it was pretty impressive to see the two republican senators of south carolina say let's move that nag away from the state capitol grounds. you want to fly it on your private property that's fine. but off the public property. >> that flag represents everything that's wrong. for someone to defend the flag as heritage or something else we know it's not. and let's get on with the business of developing our communities. >> what do you think of all these retailers, walmart, for example, sears, amazon ebay deciding they're no longer going to sell the confederate flag paraphernalia? >> it's a strong statement. and believe me the economic
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leaders see it. walmart is one of the biggest employers in my district. to take that stand is very positive. more people who step forward with this, the greater the possibility that change will come. >> benny thompson stand by. i want to continue our investigation. there you see him, mayor riley, we'll talk with you when we come back. across america people, like basketball
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we're following the news in the south carolina church massacre. cnn has obtained video as dylann roof was taken into custody after he gunned down nine people in an historic african-american church. he posed for several pictures with the confederate flag. take lawmaker agreed to take on the debate. we're joined by the mayor. let's discuss these developments. first, thanks very much for joining us. i know you've called for the flag to be taken down. you've wanted this for a long
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time. why did it take deaths of nine wonderful, prominent african-american people in your community. why did it take so long and this horrible tragedy for this to happen? >> i don't know. i can't really explain it. it is unfortunate it did. actually right where i'm standing i led a march from here 100 yards being started. up the road 110 miles of it to columbia. four days we had football coaches, prominent people joining us it was clear that a majority of the people said carolina did not want the confederate flag then. it was above the capitol. the state flag, the american flag and underneath the confederate flag. unfortunately, they put it on the state house grounds in front of the capitol away from the dome. but it's it shouldn't be there. this is a symbol that for many
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was appropriated to be used as their statement against racial progress. against integration, the statement in support of racial bigotry. as we saw that awful man who went into this church less than a week ago and killed these precious people. to have something that is used by many and is a symbol against all american values on public property is just wrong. it should be in a museum that's an appropriate place for it. it is no longer the symbol of hatred and bigotry. it is a part of history. and i commend governor haley for her leadership and stepping forward. i'm confident the votes will be in the general assembly. a bipartisan support for this. a majority of south carolinians want on public property the united states flag and the state flag. they don't want the confederate battle flag. >> realistically, when do you think that flag will be removed?
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>> i'm not sure. wrapping up the budget they'll stay there until they get it done. the governor said if not she'll call a special session. the legislative leaders of both parties are supporting this. you mentioned the u.s. senators graham and scott, and of course jim clyburn and mark sanford were there. the will is there. i'm confident it will happen and it has to happen. to have what occurred here right across the street less than a week ago is just a reminder, racial bigotry is alive. if there is a symbol that it gives people momentum that hate others because of their race it has to go away from public property. >> what do you make of this report, these reports that sales of the confederate flag and related paraphernalia skyrocketed over the past few
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days. maybe by 3,000 or 4,000% as some of the major retailers like amazon and ebay walmart, sears were are going to remove this from their sites. >> it shows there are some who want it for whatever reason. probably some who are basically hoarders. i think the national retailers have made this decision they deserve a pat on the back too. you know. it's about american values. we're one nation under god with liberty and justice for all. and to have a symbol that is being sold by national retailers, that people have appropriated to support or to ratify their bigotry is wrong. my hats off to them. that's what america wants as well. >> i know you want tighter gun control. you don't only want to remove the flag but tighter gun
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control. what do you make of the fact that walmart is still selling a lot of guns and ammunition even as they're removing the sale of the flag? >> well if walmart stops selling guns that would really affect the supply because there are so many out there. what we need is a national conversation. again, i'm confident, i know over whelmingly the american public wants reasonable rules about guns particularly handguns. we've got to get a license. we've got to do all kinds of things to be able to drive a car. and we've got a huge amount of handguns out. there is no civilized industrialized nation in the world that has anything like this. we need and i think it should be
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a national debate. the so we have one rule that generally applies to all. some basic standards of what you need to do to be able to have a handgun. to get registered so everybody knows who bought it. make sure your record is clear and all of that and have people stand up and say, okay i want to purchase a gun like you purchase a car. you have to go through a lot of rig ma role to buy a car. well we ought to have some reasonable rules about that. that i think will curb the access and the supply of guns. and you know these nine precious people. i can't tell you the heart ache in this community. and i know it is felt around the country. these were nine people the concentric circles of their friends and their church family.
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there is one that the board of the housing authority. the commissioner. another who worked in our auditorium right down the street. every time i went in there, she gave me a big hug. i can still feel it. we lost nine precious people because some guy could easily get his job from however he got it. we've heard reports on how he might have gotten it but america deserves better. we have to sit down with everybody. the gun lobby needs to approach this with american values. that is the safety and security of our citizens and churches. heavens to betsy do we want to be in a country where you need a security guard to go to bible study. it is crazy. we have to make this change. we have to get on it. >> all right. mayor, thank you. thank you very much. good luck to you. good luck over the one in charleston. we're all with you during these very, very difficult times.
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thank you. more news coming up in the situation room. freddie gray's autopsy report has been leaked to the baltimore "sun." we're getting new details of his death and police custody. will it affect the case of the charges? plus a new twist in the d.c. mansion murder case. a new link between the suspect and the family he is accused of killing. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection have had cancer, or if you develop any new skin growths. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems.
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we're following breaking news out of baltimore. reporting the autopsy of freddie gray, the man who sustained fatal injuries in the back of a police van, determined that a
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quote, high energy injury caused his death. let's get more from the report here broke the story. justin fenton is on the phone. also we're joined by the fbi assistant director tom fuentes and our legal analyst. justin you reported on this copy of the autopsy on freddie gray. tell us exactly what you discovered. >> sure. the big finding is that his injury was caused by a high energy injury. they said they compared it to shallow water diving incidents and think it was caused by the vehicle that he was in the back of either aggressively decelerating or action set rating. the medical examiner thinks he may have been able to prom himself up. because he was shackled at the hands and feet he was unable to brace for a fall that he could not anticipate. they said it was not an accident because the officers could have
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foreseen that he would need medical assistance. and that it was a homicide because the procedures were in he place for such trans ports. >> they are calling it acts of omission. you're a lawyer a prosecutor. what does it mean as far as the case case against six baltimore police officers? >> there is no question it helps, you have the prosecutors' theory of the case. we know this autopsy report was given to marilyn mosby and she chose to indict had case very, very quickly there after. i will tell you, wolf i'm concerned about the process. it is very rare for an autopsy report to be leaked to the press. if an attorney were to do the same thing, there would be significant, significant consequences. it is both illegal and unethical. so i question why and how it was
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released. the especially because the defense team says the only people who had access to it were the state's attorney's office as well as the medical examiner's office. when i look at what has been reported in terms of the autopsy, i see a lot of legal conclusions in the report. so it appears to me that the prosecutor's office was likely working with the me's office. that is not unusual. i think it is unusual when it comes to the manner and the cause of death which is the determination that should be made by the medical examiner and not necessarily by the prosecutor. so this is in a sense, very helpful to the prosecution. any good defense attorney will raise these questions with their own experts and at trial. i'm a little concerned about it the state's attorney is strongly condemning the leak of this autopsy. >> i think the problem is that it is very speculative and i'm surprised in an autopsy report where they're saying, we
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surmised that he must have gotten to his feet and then later fell down because he wouldn't be able to balance himself. my comment is that might not mean a rough ride. it might absolutely be negligence and an omission that he wasn't secured better buckled down so he couldn't get up. if in fact he got to his feet somehow and his legs are shackled together and his hands are tight, i challenge anyone to stay on your feet when a vehicle is driving normally. we're also learning new details about the gruesome quadruple homicide in a d.c. mansion. you probably know xerox as the company that's all about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? or that our software helps over 20 million smartphone users remotely configure e-mail every month? or
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turning to a dwroos only mystery still developing authorities are looking at a relative of the man allegedly responsible for the murder of four people in a washington, d.c. mansion last month. our justice correspondent pamela brown is here with a disturbing new information. tell our viewers what you're learning. >> we're learning that police have been looking into one of daron wint kaes cousins. he even threatened the company several years ago.
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this as sources say forensic testing has turned up more of daron wint's daryn inside the mansion where the family and the housekeeper were murdered and tortured in unspeakable ways. it was a race against time for the u.s. marshals chasing down 34-year-old daron wint the man accused of killing the savopoulos family and their housekeeper. >> he was not a u.s. citizen. we think his plan was to try to get some i.d. and, or a passport or something and leave the country and go back to guiuana. >> reporter: an intense 48-hour manhunt led authorities to this hotel near washington, d.c. >> the advance team told us, they just took off. they're going up route one. we had to jump in our cars and catch up to them. >> rob hernandez and a small fleet of officials followed this white chevy cruz along with unknown associates after the
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veks performed a bizarre u-turn he made his move. >> what was wint like? was he combative at all? >> his body posture and the look on his face was like he was thinking of running but we were right on top of him and he never got a chance. >> reporter: cnn has learned his dna was found in various parts of the crime scene where the victims were tortured. sources say police are investigating whether one of his relatives is connected to the crime. his cousin who has not yet been named also worked at american iron works and was fired around the same time wint left in 2005 will sources say the cousin threaten to burn the place down. a threat taken so seriously, the company took out a restraining order against him. >> even though it's been almost ten years, for some people they harbor that resentment and that builds up until they feel they get an opportunity to strike back. >> reporter: so far wint is the only person charged in the crime. police do not believe he acted alone.
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cnn has also learned wint who has a criminal past was in danger of losing his green card when he was arrested last march for receiving stolen property. officials say immigration and customs enforcement was never notified. >> if daron wint was arrest in the march and i.c. eshs never received those finger prints until after the arrest it tells me it is an indicator to me that there is a breakdown in the system hx i.c.e. been noticed, they would have looked at that file them would have looked at daron wint as he history and undergone a legal review. >> reporter: d.c. police said it ran the prints in march through the fbi database which is supposed to share fingerprints with i.c.e. jay howard was a go-kart coach for the 10-year-old. in this exclusive tv interview, he recalled this last race.
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>> i believe it was the third time on track that day when phillip had his accident. >> reporter: that accident led to a mild concussion leading to bed rest until the day the crime began. >> i wish he wasn't home. not something i can think about. >> and that coach says phillip had an incredibly close bond with his father savvas savopoulos a bond that investigators believe the killers used to get more money from the family. >> what a story that is. thank you. please be sure to tune in later tonight. 9:30 eastern for pamela's special report on the d.c. mansion murders. 9:30 p.m. eastern. just ahead, donald trump is surging in a brand new poll. showing him near the pack in a critical primary state. cnn catches up with him as he
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cnn's senior digital correspondent caught up with donald trump today as part of a series being moody. >> we are literally chasing donald trump in a golf cart. here we go. >> this might be the even press conference i've been to with a man made waterfall in front of it. >> it's not a waterfall, it's a water structure. >> this is it his first press conference since filing for papers to run for president of the united states. but he's not talking about in a. he's opening a golf course. >> i bought it six years ago. >> cnn would not be here covering donald trump's golf course opening unless he was running for president. >> who do you have in mind for
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secretary of state. >> i haven't given it a thought. >> have you been able to raise money? >> i don't need money. a lot of people want to contribute but i'm using my own. >> he got a lot more media to cover his golf course opening and anything else he does in the next several months. >> we're going to give a quick tour that will last 40 minutes. we'll call it the trump tour. >> there's a lot of presidential contenders that are mad you may bump them off the debate stage. what do you say to that? >> i'm far more accomplished than they are. far more. ♪
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for me. and, latinos love trump. >> chris moody is joining us now along with rihanna keeler. that was great, chris. you caught up with him on the golf course why is he on the golf course instead of campaigning in new hampshire or iowa. >> this was a longstanding appointment. cnn was covering it because he's run ing running and something inside says you get a lot more exposure some say donald trump is doing it to promote his own brand. >> trump getting 11% in ham happen. second behind jeb bush 14%.
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almost within the margin of error, could donald trump really win some of these early caucus or primary states? >> i doubt it. >> if he becomes a threat to someone like bush or walker or rubio, they will go after him and there's a lot in donald trump's background to go after. at this point trump not in the race, but he was put in a poll and leading the field nationally. that was a great record very funny. i employ a lot of latinos, is that the new, i have a lot of latino friends? every time something comes out of his mouth, it's controversial, a normal candidate is taken seriously, trump will not survive because of it. >> it seems like a character. i was laughing at the end of the piece. it's laughable that that would fly. it's what people expect of him. i want to see more polls that
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show the same thing we're seeing in this suffolk university poll. it speaks to name recognition. they see someone who's kind of speaking his mind i think sometimes he gets a little crazy with that. you see this desire for republicans and for democrats, they want someone who's really speaking their mind who doesn't seem like they're always trying to navigate the polls all the time. >> he's very blunt, obviously, he tells -- he's a straight talker. >> he is and he's going to make an impact on the race. what that is is yet to be seen. in the debates, he could knock off a senator or a governor off the main debate stage. >> i could be in the top ten. >> he is he has national name idea. the catch 22 you need to get in the base.
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you need the exposure of the debate s debates herman cane was doing well, michele bachmann you remember her, the congresswoman from minnesota, she was doing well, all of a sudden, not so well. >> that was the dynamic, you get out there, you jump in the race you get a lot of attention you see these candidates take off. as soon as they're taken seriously, the press vets them their opponents attack them, and they're in the basement again, i guarantee you, that's what happens. >> he has more name recognition than any of these other republican candidates don't you think? >> he has so much name recognition, i don't think people when people think of him, they're not necessarily thinking of someone super positively. i think of fred thompson he had a lot of name recognition, he was seen in a more authoritative light. donald trump is seen i think a little. it's a little laughable, people
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like his antics when he's seen in a different spotlight, i don't think it's going to fly. >> if you dive into the polls, whether they like him is not necessarily -- >> here's where he could have a huge impact. the way he goes after jeb bush for example he's not going to -- the way he talks. >> he could be a blocker or tackler for the candidates. if you can allow trump to go after jeb, if you're jindal or someone else who doesn't want to attack jeb, that could give you an opportunity to rise without having to attack bush. i recall that white house correspondent's dinner where he had been on the tirade about president obama's birth
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certificate. it made him look ridiculous. i think when he's able to go on a monologue, he's fine. when there's someone there that's quick, jeb bush has shown he can give a quick retort. i think donald trump can really suffer. >> isn't there an argument to be made that when you go after donald trump, you only make him stronger. that gives him more exposure? >> or you look like a reasonable person if you dismiss him with something that's factual. >> basically, today in the gulf course what was his point, he was trying to show what? >> that he built another one of the greatest golf courses in the world, of course. it's donald trump. what was very interesting a lot of sports journalists were there, and now a lot of political journalists as well. he wanted to show off his new course and he did. >> i'm sure he's right when he says he bought this golf course six years ago when there was a recession going on.
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>> that all seems accurate. what that has to do with him as a potential presidential candidate, i don't know -- >> beat ross perot, a third party challenger? >> undermine the two party process, if you will. there's no issues he's running on that the two major parties are not addressing. now is the secret he had identified a few issues the two parties weren't addressing that created some third party momentum. the two parties are pretty defined and there's no big issue out there that neither are addressing them that trump is talking about. >> he's running as a republican he's thinking of a third party -- >> donald rump in. >> no that's not. >> i think, there's no plan here he -- we're overthinking this right? i mean this press conference today seemed to have nothing to do with presidential politics. >> or reminding people of his value, right?
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>> very good. donald trump is going to be jake tapper's guest on state of the union. we'll get a chance to watch him. thanks very much. that's it for me remember you can follow us on twitter, please tweet me @wolfblitzer. you can tweet the show @sitroom. erin burnett out front begins now. >> breaking news in the manhunt for two convicted killers. joyce mitchell admitting to hiding hack is a blades in hamburger meet. boots found belonging to one of the killers. are police about to catch them? more breaking news freddie gray's autopsy just leaking tonight. what does this mean for the baltimore officers charged in his death. the stunning conclusions from that report. new dashcam video from the moment dylann roof was arrested. let's go "out front."