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deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the armenian genocide, and he added, i intend to be that president. but he hasn't used that word genocide out of an apparent deference for turkey a nato ally. that's it for me. the news continues next on cnn. all right, wolf. thank you so much. hi everyone. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. thank you for starting your week with us here. i want to begin with two pieces of brand new audio recorded in the immediate aftermath of that deadly police shooting down in south carolina. just aheads heads up it's tough to hear. i want you to listen to michael slager speaking moments after firing at walter scott, the 50-year-old unarmed african-american man. >> once i get here it will be real quick. you'll be off for a couple days they'll interview you then.
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they're not going to ask you any questions now. they'll take your weapon. we'll go from there. that's pretty much it. the last one we had, they waited a couple days to interview, an official interview, like sit down and see what happened. it would probably be a good idea to jot down your thoughts of what happened. the adrenaline is probably pumping. [ laughter ] >> oh yeah. >> we then hear a separate piece of audio. this is captured by the patrol car's dash cam of officer slager on a phone call to someone we believe to be his wife. take a listen to that. [ phone ringing ] >> hey. everything's okay. okay? i just shot somebody. yeah everything's okay. i'm in my cruiser. yeah he was running from me.
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i'm fine. >> first, let me go to my colleague, our correspondent there in north charleston nick valencia. we just played those two pieces of audiotape. what's the reaction from there? >> i reached out to the south carolina law enforcement department. they're the lead agency on this n charge of the investigation. i asked if they'd heard the audio. the spokesperson there, tom berry, i said how would you characterize that audio? he responded saying this is information that was discussed at the scene. meanwhile, the community reaction more renewed calls to prosecute that second officer in the video. critics argue that he didn't do enough to help walter scott and he may have also been complicit in a so-called cover-up because of discrepancies in his police reports that seemed to mirror the events officer slager said happened. right now, no formal charges being leveled against anyone else other than officer slager. we have reached out to get the
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other officer's comments. we have not yet heard back. also north charleston police department unable to tell us if he's still on active duty. >> all right. keep us posted on that nick. thank you very much. let me broaden this out with someone who's in law enforcement for years and years, david katz former special agent for the dea. i know you brought a poprop. we're going to get to that in a minute. just listening to that first piece of audio, when you hear this other officer saying listen go home jot down your thoughts you'll probably be questioned in a couple days i'm not law enforcement, but my immediate reaction would be wouldn't you be questioned that afternoon? >> yeah, that is actually standard procedure. my old job, it was the same thing. you give the officer enough time to compose himself or herself. >> time as in hours or days? >> should be hours, not days. there will be an investigation. the idea is to give the officer the same constitutional protections as any other
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defendant in this case. it's an officer involved. >> also wondering just your gut when you heard the first piece of audio. obviously he's shot and killed this man. i don't know what kind of adrenaline is running through him, but to hear this laughter it's almost like this nervous laughter with this officer. how do you read that? >> yeah there's a point in time where your cognitive abilities are gone. you're just saying whatever comes into your mind. you don't really know what's happening. it seems surreal. that's what i think is happening to this guy. and i'm pretty sure after he discharged his weapon his first thought was, oh my god, what have i just done? that's the way it seemed. reality sets in. now he's going to start to settle back down and try to make sense of what happened. >> okay. let's talk about this other officer-involved shooting. this is another officer-involved shooting that led to the death of an african-american man but but unlike others we've been talking about, the officer admitted he made the wrong move. in fact, he admitted to his mistake on the scene, and this
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is also on tape. it's actually the body cam of another officer that captures the moment this reserve deputy shot this man allegedly on the run. here he is running. this is eric harris. the deputy says he used his gun instead of his taser by accident. the killing happened during a sting operation this month in tulsa county in oklahoma. sheriffs officials say harris was to be arrested for illegally selling a pistol. this was a veteran reserve deputy who pulled the trigger by the name of robert bates. he's not been charged. the case is now in the hands of district attorney. we'll show you this video. just a warning because you are about to see the final moments of this man's life and the footage is tough to watch. the faces of the officers in this video have been blocked because they work undercover. here it is. >> stop right there! [ bleep ]! roll on your stomach, now!
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[ gunfire ] oh [ bleep ]! [ screaming ] >> he shot me he shot me. he shot me man. oh my god! >> did you hear me? he [ bleep ] ran. >> all right. there's a lot here. the language of the police. i've got a lot for you, which brings in what you brought in. let's just begin with the obvious first question how do you mistake a handgun from a taser? how does that mistake happen? >> the amount of training we give our police officers is shamefully inadequate. >> inadequate? >> inadequate. under any stretch of the
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imagination, that's even with the better departments. identify we need to do a much better job. there's no way an officer who's utilizing a taser should have that accessible to his dominant hand. >> show me with this. >> this is red-handle pistol. it's not operational. it's for training purposes just for this reason. this is a typical tactical rig. if you're a right-handed shooting this is your dominant hand. your taser would be on the other side of your body accessible to the weak hand. why? because you never make that mistake. you never think you're drawing for your taser and pull your handgun instead. some departments have practice with wearing the taser in a cross draw where the dominant hand reaches across. i don't like that idea. you are permitted to draw with your support hand transfer it to your strong hand but that,
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again, indicates or allows you to make sure it's not the real pistol in your hand. >> and to be clear, we don't know on this officer, in 73-year-old officer, which side was which gun. but how do you decide, okay i want to tase someone, like in the case when this guy is running before they'd taken him down and they're on him. you hear the shots fired, meaning to tase him. when would you make that decision? >> i wouldn't tase anybody who's fleeing. what you go is youdo is use an electronic compliance weapon. it causes spasm and pain. you get someone who's noncompliant to come plyply. you know this guy has access to weapons. the responding officers are going to be very very keyed up. >> they're keyed up but i have to get on this point. "f" your breath shut the "f" up. is this the kind of language law enforcement officers use? >> law enforcement is not pretty. you don't know if the guy is hit
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badly. it seems office. >> he says he's shot. he says he's not breathing. >> let me ask you a question. this guy's hands are not visible. let's say the individual has a handgun under his body. they roll him -- >> you're right. i don't know. i get your point. >> so the point is you really -- your adrenaline is up. would i have done that? i don't know. i can't tell you. but under the stress it's not something that's so shocking to me. the issue is you immediately have to render aid once you determine he's no longer a threat and he's injured. >> final question being, and a lot of us hadn't heard of this this officer was an advanced reserve deputy officer, 73 years of age, under cover. according to reports, he had the license to, you know whatever an active police officer does. but why is he involved in this in the first place? why does he have access to these kinds of weapons? is this par for the course? >> well, it's not the practice in new york city. i don't know what tulsa is. is it a manpower issue?
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is it a monetary issue? they can't afford to bring on additional deputies? was this a former law enforcement officer who is retired and assists on a part-time basis? one more thing i have to stress don't resist arrest. if you think you're wrong, don't resist in any way. clear it up in court later on. >> david katz thank you very much. >> pleasure. now to this. marco rubio getting ready to make it official a short time from now, but one of his likely competitors is also his mentor jeb bush. also now that hillary clinton is in what role will her husband play in this upcoming campaign? also tragedy at disney. this high-speed thrill ride ends with one person dying at one of the park's fantasy race car attractions. we'll tell you what happened behind the wheel. and it is one of america's biggest cheating scandals. right now as they await their sentencing former public school teachers are begging the judge
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a rising republican star joins hillary clinton in the expanding race for the white house. florida republican senator marco rubio told donors this morning he's officially in. he's due to announce to the rest of us in just a couple hours. hillary clinton, as you know by now, announced her plans in an online video. >> i'm getting ready to do something too. i'm running for president. americans have fought their way back from tough economic times, but the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top. every day americans need a champion and i want to be that champion. so you can do more than just get by. you can get ahead and stay ahead. because when families are strong america is strong. >> surprise. maybe not surprise that she's in
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it officially. michael smerconish here's what i want to begin with. she's for the first time embracing, unlike the last go around the fact that this would be history, that she would be the first female president. that's certainly something none of the gop candidates has on her. >> it's true and i think that the challenge for this announcement is that we all think we know the product, right. so you're really trying to reintroduce a product into the stream of commerce and to do it with some fresh appeal. it was an attempt at being edgy. i thought it was effective. i thought it was very effective in terms of all those faces. the vibe was one of being very upbeat. i've heard some critics say there wasn't really policy attached to it. but there was an unmistakable message of income inequality and strength of the middle class or maybe lack of strength of the middle class right now. so i think she checked off a series of boxes, brooke in the process of that two-minute video. >> to your point a second ago
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about how america, no matter how some people may feel they feel like they do know the clintons. and here she is announcing she's hopping in this van driving from new york to iowa stopping along the way at these diner visits. i mean how -- does the campaign really think america doesn't know hillary clinton? >> well the challenge is there's 18 months on the clock. how else are you going to fill the time? i agree with your point. i think we could run this election tomorrow. secretary clinton could be one of the candidates and frankly it almost doesn't matter who the other one is because you know she's probably got 47% of the vote locked up right now. and it's what happens with the next 5% or so that's going to determine the outcome of this election. and i meet very few people or take telephone calls on the radio from very few people who aren't of a fixed opinion about both clintons. >> that's interesting. and then there's the bill clinton factor when you look
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back to 2008 all of his speaking extemporaneously going off script criticizing barack obama. that didn't necessarily help their cause. i'm wondering, do we really know what his role will be in this campaign? >> she needs the bill clinton who showed up at the 2012 democratic national convention and delivered just a hell of a speech not the bill clinton you're making reference to who got off message and sometimes off rails in the 2008 cycle. but i think on balance, he's a big net plus for her. although i don't think he's in the van that's cruising across the state of ohio as we speak. >> let me pivot with you now to senator marco rubio, expected to announce in less than four hours from now. he's this first-term senator, just like barack obama was then-senator barack obama. how can republicans support him now when they argued back in the day it was then senator-obama's inexperience that was reason not to vote for him?
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>> well you're right. it's senator cruz. it's senator paul. it's senator rubio who are all first-timers who probably to a person were critical of barack obama when he was running for the highest office on an experience basis. i'm more interested not so much in how they handle it but in how hillary clinton handles it. >> how do you mean? >> you would think that experience would be a hallmark of her campaign this time around. former united states senator, former first lady former secretary of state. if you are her, you want to trumpet the fact you have all these bona fides to the detriment to those republicans we've just named. but if she starts playing the experience card i mean wouldn't their response be wait a minute barack obama was exactly where we are right now. are you saying that he was too inexperienced when he ran for the job? >> and you throw out all those republican contender names. somebody was saying this morning, you know, they could end up helping a hillary clinton if there's all this mud slinging coming from all these different
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republicans towards her and she perhaps rises above the fray and doesn't sling back from the ground level. can you see that way? >> i can see it. i could see, for example, the overplaying of whatever the benghazi hand might consist of. i think that's an issue that has appeal to the base. the base will come out and vote in the primary and caucus process, but you can't run a campaign based only on benghazi against hillary clinton if you want to appeal to independents who in the end are going to control the outcome of this election. >> final question. these multiple republicans coming out saying, yep, i'm running for president, then hopping over to fox news channel over to hannity. that's their out of the gate interview. i'd love for them to come here or to you. do you think it would be advantageous to go somewhere, where they may be challenged a bit more less softball more pointed? >> you know i don't think it's necessarily the level of the questioning or the lack of intensity of the questioning.
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it's all about the base. where do you want to go if you want to reach older white males? it's to fox news and that program in particular because those are the individuals who carry the most sway in the primaries and the caucuses. so they're going where the votes are, but brooke here's the kicker. they can go there in primary season and that can be a successful strategy. that is not how you win a general election. sooner or later, you better be on cnn. >> amen. michael smerconish thank you very much. make sure you tune in to watch my friend here saturday mornings 9:00 a.m. eastern here on cnn. coming up next death at disney world as a high-speed sports car ride turns deadly as a lamborghini loses control on a race track. what went so wrong behind that wheel?
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a high-speed thrill ride at
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walt disney world ends in tragedy for a driving instructor. this happened at the richard petty driving experience. it allows people to race luxury sports cars around the track. the driver lost control of the lamborghini and crashed into a guardrail. the instructor was the car's passenger. officials say he died instantly. the driver meantime suffered minor injuries. here with me now to explain how these driving experiences typically operate is our cnn money correspondent, who has been in some very fast cars in your lifetime. you were telling me in commercial, doing upwards of 160 miles an hour around certain tracks. a different track from the one we're talking about. but sitting in a car like that hag an instructor in the passenger seat what is that like? >> it's a really interesting experience especially for someone that doesn't do this all the time. this is designed for people who don't do this all the time. the track layout is really pretty simple.
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not a complicated track to drive. the cars are pretty easy cars to drive. they're not tricky. they don't tend to spin out if you hit the gas a little too early. they're pretty straightforward. >> lamborghini's a pretty easy car to drive? >> you could drive a lamborghini and not have any problem with it. they're not difficult, tricky race cars. these are mostly streetcars. high powered, but cars designed for driving on the street. when you're doing this they give you classroom instruction before you go out. that would be instructions on just navigating the track safely make sure you don't hit anyone here's where to go slow watch out in the pit lanes, when you can accelerate, when to axel accelerate accelerate when to start braking. in this case, they've give you a professional driver who rides in the passenger seat with you to tell you, okay hit the gas hard right here. okay, start coming off the gas. hit the brakes here. start braking here to get ready for that turn. here's where you go into this next turn. they're going to help you with things like this.
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in this case, the drivers also have a throttle cut-off switch -- >> the instructor. i remember when i'm learning to drive at 15. the instructor had that brake he could hit, heaven forbid i was doing something i shouldn't have been doing. in this case there's a throttle maybe something manually he can hit to dial back the gas. >> if the student driver or the person driving isn't following instructions carefully enough to sort of dial things back a little bit. we don't know what happened in this case. was there a mechanical problem? did the person hit the gas too hard coming out of a turn maybe? get the car upset and didn't correct properly? we really don't know what happened. >> it was a simple track, you're saying. >> it was a fairly simple track. we don't know what happened in this case. >> peter, thank you very much. next teachers turned cheaters. sentencing happening right now for this group of educators convicted in a widespread cheating scandal to inflate student test scores. hear them in court as they're
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just past the bottom of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. this story is one of the nation's biggest cheating scandals ever. right now most of the atlanta educators convicted of racketeering and other charges are in court for sentencing. they're begging that judge for leniency.
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they're facing possible sentences of anywhere from five to ten years in prison. the judge has been hearing from spouses and children and other character witnesses, including former u.n. ambassador andrew young. some of the defendants are begging the judge to go easy. >> i just want to ask if for the next five mooinsinutes while i talk to you, if you could consider me as something other than a convicted felon. i'm not erasing the decision that the jury made. i accept it and respect it. >> well before you start, i can see that you're a wonderful educator. i think my son -- >> yes. >> i didn't know that. >> i know you didn't know that. >> i think your case is probably the biggest tragedy of all.
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>> alan judd let me bring you in investigative journalist. i tip my hat to you and your colleagues at the paper for all of your reporting that blew this scandal wide open. just to hear that judge -- i know it was tough to hear, but that judge essentially saying to this former counselor in the atlanta public school system, you know his kid was in that school and he was calling her case the greatest tragedy. this judge, tough judge. >> yeah i think he's lived this case so much for the last several months. this is the longest running criminal trial ever in georgia. it's gone on since last september. so i think he has lived it as much as a lot of other people have and has really taken app lot of it to heart. >> these are counselors teachers test administrators. they wanted their schools to look good so they were fudging some of the test scores of these students and got in huge trouble. do we think they'll be going to prison or are there deals in
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the works? >> there are reports of some agreements that may be reached and may be announced today or tomorrow that would possibly mitigate the time today might serve. some people might not serve time at all or may serve only on weekends for some period of time in addition to probation. but apparently the caveat to that is they would have to acknowledge guilt and issue a public apology. >> we mentioned some character witnesses testifying. i've got some sound from ambassador andrew young speaking. take a listen. >> i think these teachers got caught in a trap. dr. king used to say when people are placed in darkness crimes will be committed. but the guilty are not just those who commit the crimes but those who create the darkness. >> so he's saying they were caught in this trap, you know to erase incorrect test answers and replace them with correct
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ones. just for context, alan tell our viewers how big of a dpeel this was in the city of atlanta. >> this involved more than two-thirds of the elementary and middle schools in the city. thousands of students had their test scores changed over the years. there was a lot of pressure placed on individual teachers principals testing coordinators particularly by the former superintendent beverly hall who passed away a little over a month ago. she continually set higher standards, higher bars that they must meet to keep their positions. so they had a lot of pressure on them to create this appearance that the system had turned around and had finally solved this mystery of how to improve in an urban system. >> we'll watch to see what happens in all this sentencing. alan judd excellent reporting.
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thank you so so much for coming on. >> thanks. coming up next this unforgettable interview. some of you tweeted me about it. this man set free after 30 years on death row. he got incredibly emotionally candid about how difficult it's been in the last week after 30 years on death row to adjust to life on the outside world, what kept him going. the saddest day of his life behind bars. do not miss that. introducing a whole new way to enhance your eyes. it's 1-day acuvue® define™ brand contact lenses. the eye enhancement lenses that comfortably accentuate your eyes' natural beauty. ask your doctor today about 1-day acuvue® define™ brand. to unlock the possibilities of tomorrow......"lift tab." fiber-rich bran. answered by the perfect quantity of sun sweetened raisins. tomorrow is waiting. ♪sun'll come out, tomorrow♪ own it, with kellogg's® raisin bran see you at breakfast™. ♪ ♪ the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born.
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now to the story of anthony ray hinton. he's 58 years of age, but in many ways he's new to the world, at least the one we all now know. because just last friday hinton was released after 30 years on alabama's death row.
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[ crying ] >> thank you, jesus! thank you, lord! >> those hugs went on for more than two minutes. convicted of two murders in birmingham in 1985 hinton was freed after a judge granted the state's motion to drop the charges. now hinton has to adjust to the 21st century. just think about the last time he was a free man. '85. ronald reagan was president. "back to the future" led the box office and a stamp cost 22 cents. of course there are other things on ray hinton's mind. he talked to me about what life has been like to finally be free and with him was the man who helped liberate him, his attorney. >> i feel wonderful.
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i have to pinch myself to tell myself that i'm free but i'm having a little problem once it turns dark. i haven't been outside in the dark in 30 years. so i've been telling my friend lester it's time for us to get back in. he say, you free it's okay. it's going to take me a little type, but i'm getting used to it. i like it. >> i bet you do like it. the notion of being in a five-by-seven cell for 30 years, you did it. what is it about darkness that makes you afraid? >> they don't let you be outside at a certain time in the penitentiary. not only that they have to have so much security. you have to have bed check at 6:00. so i'm kind of used to somebody coming through at 6:00 counting making sure you're in
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your cell. to when you been doing it for 30 years an you know the routine like i know it, it takes a while to get used to someone not coming through to count to make sure you're in your bed. >> so darkness walking freely. speaking of routine, here you can order any kind of food imaginable. i understand you're sticking with fried chicken, which is something you could have had in prison. >> i prefer it out here. it's cooked better. >> i bet it tastes a little sweeter, i imagine. >> it is. but i'm just so happy to be out. i'm just so thankful to god for bringing me through it. i always say i'm thankful to mr. stephenson for sticking by me and working night and day seven days a week to secure my freedom because i shouldn't have ever been on death row in the first place. >> mr. stephenson i have questions for you, but ray i have to stick with you.
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i have a lot of questions. the big, the little and in between. staying with the notion of the meals, i was reading an interview in which you said you're having a tough time using something as simple as a fork. can you explain why? >> well on death row, they only give you plastic spoons. we don't have forks or silver spoons or anything like that. the reason they don't give us that is because you can sharpen them down make a knife or a shank out of them. so i'm just used to plastic spoons. >> i know that on death row, i understand you did see a lot of death with your own eyes. people taking their own lives instead of ultimately what would be happening to them. did you ever come close to a breaking point? >> no, i didn't come close to a breaking point, but i'd be lying to you if i told you that satan didn't tell me to kill myself. i think every man on death row at some point in time satan
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will creep up on you and say, listen they going to kill you, don't give him the satisfaction of killing you. do it yourself. i would immediately tell satan to get behind me and go to my as i call it happy moment which was my sense of humor. so i feel like seau tanatan was laughing at me. >> how did you manage a sense of humor, sir, to be honest with you, i had no choice. it was something that i was born with but i never thought it would come in handy in the sense that i had to use it. being on death row, you had to use it every day. at least i did. most people think i was trying to make them laugh, which i was, but i was trying to escape reality for being on death row.
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it's extra hard to be on death row for something you didn't do. >> there's more of this when we come back. ray talked to me about his saddest day behind bars and the moment he heard some horrible news from outside. also he tells me the one place he was robbed of his 20s, his 30s, his 40s, and the remaining years of his life the one place he wants to go. plus more moments from the police officer who shot and killed officer scott in south carolina. hear what he said to one of his fellow officers and what it could mean in this murder case against him.
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here's the second part of that interview. when ray hinton was freed from alabama's death row after 30 years, prosecutors finally acknowledged that the gun evidence that helped convict him back in 1985 was quote/unquote inclusive. while hinton is in no fear of further prosecution, he still grieves over the biggest loss he suffered in imprisonment. here's my second part of the conversation. >> talk to me about the saddest day of your life in 2002 when
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you learned your mother had passed. can you tell me about that? >> yes, i'll never forget it. we had a captain by the name of captain craft. he sent for me. i didn't think nothing of it. he called me down and told me that he had received a phone call that my mother had passed and i just broke down in front of the office and cried. he told me if there was anything he could do just let him know. when you lose your mother someone that was there for you from birth and you have all these mothers having children and not taking care of them my mother was just the opposite. my mother made sure i had food made sure i had clothes, made sure that i had a place to lay my head. she just went out of her way to make sure that not just me but all of her kids was brought up
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proper and she did the best she could. and for me to be on death row for something i didn't do and not be there for her when i felt she needed me the most i can't sit here and tell you how that feeling was then. i was just sad, lonely. i felt helpless. i felt that i had let her down. and me and my mother had a relationship like no other. i could tell her anything. we would sit on the porch and laugh. no matter who she introduced me to she always said this is my baby. it just meant a lot to me that i had to go to the graveyard to say good-bye to my mother because i wasn't allowed to go to the funeral or the funeral home and see my mother. i never did get a chance to see my mother. and i would have just loved to have been able to say -- tell
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her how much i loved her over the years, which i did sometimes through the telephone. but when she got in bad health i knew she was sick because she stopped coming to the prison to see me. but i didn't know that it was that severe. so i just had a bad, rough time. you don't ever get over it but i knew she wouldn't want me to just sit there and mope and groan and complain. so that's when my sense of humor kicked in and i never looked back. i cried many nights since she passed. i'm trying to be strong as i talk to you now and not cry. but every time someone mentions my mother i want to cry because i had an extraordinary mother. i wouldn't trade my mother for all the money in the world. >> that's wonderful. that is so wonderful. forgive me for interjecting. i'm so sorry for the passing of your mother. i love hearing such loving words
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as you're describing it her. i can't help as i'm hearing this and i'm sad for you that you could not say good-bye. i'm wondering, brian stephenson as i'm hearing this man speak, why? apparently all that had to be done to set ray free was test the gun and this would have been over. it still took this ballistic test 12 years to free the man you're sitting next to. tell me why. >> this case is a really powerful demonstration of the problem, which is that we have a system that treats you better if you're rich and guilty than if you're poor and innocent. and it is shameful. i've never had a case where the evidence of innocence is so clear and so immediate and so accessible and not been able to get the state to do the simple thing they have to do to access that evidence. we begged them for years to just simply do the test. and they would rather risk executing an innocent person than risk the perception that somehow they're not tough on crime or that they're not --
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they're being too responsive to the needs of a person. and it's the indifference of these officials that i think is the most shameful part of this case. we really don't have the kind of accountability that we need to have from our elected officials who run the criminal justice system. and mr. hinton's case is a tragic tragic example of that. >> mr. hinton final question. i know you said your 20s were robbed from you and your 30s and 40s. here you are, you're out and free. who do you want to be these remaining decades of your life and what's the one place you want to go? >> believe it or not, i want to go to yankees stadium and sit and eat me one of those expensive hot dogs that i seen on tv and root for the yankees. but the other part what i want to be, i want to be a light for those that is in darkness.
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i want to be an example that you don't have to treat people bors or bad because they did something to you. i want to learn people to forgive and pray. they despitefully used me as an example of i'm mightier than mighty i answer to no one. like i said you're going to answer. you're going to answer to god. i guarantee you, you ain't going to like the result. my hands will be clean. when i leave this interview tonight, as i have since i got out, i will pray for those that are still living. i will ask god to continue to bless them. and when his day comes for him to judge them i assure you they will be judged fairly. >> ray hinton now a free man. would you believe i am heading to yankees stadium tonight to watch the game against the red sox? i will order that hot dog in your honor, sir, and i will see
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what i can do to get you to yankees stadium. all right? ray hinton and bryan stevenson, thank you both so much. >> thank you for having me. >> bye-bye. >> two updates for you. first, i did go to yankees stadium. i didn't stay all 19 innings friday night, but i'm working on it. i also need to pass this along to you. the jefferson county district attorney who we have reached out to in reference to this whole case stopped short of calling ray hinton innocent. he said a victim of an attack identified hinton and an eyewitness also i.d.'d him. both of those people have died. the da said, quote, we believe there's not enough evidence to prove he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt today. i should also mention he said that the family members of the two men killed are still upset over hinton's release.
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hour two, you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. i have to share this new audio with you, revealing what officer michael slager said immediately after shooting and killing walter scott. this first piece of audio, you'll hear officer slager speaking with another police officer. you have to listen closely. it's tough to make out some of what they're saying. toward the end of the tape, as officer slager mentions his adrenaline is pumping after firing eight bullets at the unarmed 50-year-old african-american man. >> once they get here it'll be real quick. they're going to tell you you'll be off for a couple days. they'll come back and interview you. they're not going to ask you any kind of questions right now. they'll take your weapon. we'll go from there. that's pretty much it. the last one we had, they waited a couple days to interview, an official interview, like sit down and talk about what happened. so when you get ho