Skip to main content

tv   The Lead With Jake Tapper  CNN  April 7, 2015 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT

1:00 pm
pleflr says we did not withhold evidence. they were making the police aware what the researchers were finding. >> brian stelter, thank you so much. you can watch brienl on "reliable sources" sunday mornings at 11:00 eastern here on krchcnn. that does it for me. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. can rand paul actually win this thing? i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the politics lead. his message today loud and clear. senator rand paul is running for president. the freshman senator says he'll ride a wave of liberty lovers everywhere into the white house. but a key to our republican establishment thinks president paul is a bad idea. the national lead. the state department and the white house left in the dark today. what caused the power outage in washington, d.c.? and what does it say about how vulnerable our grid is to cyber terrorism?
1:01 pm
and the pop culture lead. he's been a mass genius a glab yaiter, a biblical hero. now he's playing director for the first time. russell crow joins me here on "the lead" to talk about his new film and its message. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we'll begin today with our politics lead. just hours ago a major anoungsment kentucky senator rand paul declaring washington, d.c. broken. he wants to be mr. fix it. the chance of president paul, the senator announced he's running for the oval office and coming to take our country back and crush the washington machine. both democrats and republicans, it's a message that echos the tea party tune that first helped paul get his seat in 2010. and on to the short list of potential republican front-runners. today's speech was about limited
1:02 pm
government, closing the income gap, slashing foreign aid and railing against the surveillance state. his new campaign web site is even hawking nsa spy cam blockers. and, yes, if you were wondering you can buy that or other rand branded chotskis with bitcoin. that's how 21st century this guy is. the same establishment republicans paul is seeking to defeat made it clear today they consider him a threat. i'm going to get to dana bash now. she's in louisville kentucky. dana senator paul today clearly trying to thread the needle between his base the libertarian leaning voters and more mainstream republicans. how did he do? >> reporter: he absolutely is. and at the same time he's trying to reach out beyond both of those to constituencies he says republicans need. he had an african-american minister saying that he is key in helping -- wanting to help those groups. he had a doctor who talked about the fact that he ishas helped
1:03 pm
people in need with his medical practice. but it all comes down to the question of whether or not this former tea party darling can expand even more broadly to win a republican nomination. in many ways rand paul's platform for president sounds a lot like the 2010 tea party creed dough he used to snatch his senate seat from the cg 0 p establishment. >> too often when republicans have won, we've squandered our victory by becoming part of the washington machine. that's not who i am. >> reporter: but any successful presidential run would require a much larger coalition. and paul insists he will build it by bringing what he calls opportunity through liberty to minority communities who usually vote for democrats. >> this message of libt ert is for all measure ofamericans, from all walks of life.
1:04 pm
>> reporter: paul is inheriting throngs of young enthusiastic youth. >> i say the phone records of law-abiding citizens are none of their damn business. >> reporter: his father's appeal had limits. for rand paul to win the white house nomination now, he's been moving toward mainstream gop position. no doubt why here ron paul was seen but not heard. and while some rhetoric mirrored anti-interventional views of his dad like opposing foreign aid -- >> i say it must end. i say not one penny more to these haters of america! >> reporter: -- much of his foreign policy talk was aimed at proving to gop hawks he's no isolationist. >> the enemy is radical islam. you can't get around it. the i will do whatever it takes to defend america from these haters of mankind. >> reporter: but even before he announced, the man who made
1:05 pm
infamous ads against john kerry released one against paul for his stance on iran. >> rand paul is standing with him. >> reporter: in an unusual move for an announcement speech, paul got into the we'd weeds to explain his iran position, saying he opposes any deal that doesn't end iran's nuclear position. but -- >> trust but verify is in any know goegs negotiation. but the goal is peace, not war. >> reporter: and, jake part of his announcement tour is going to include a stop in south carolina, the first in the south primary state, of course he's going to be standing in front of the historic "uss yorktown," a warship. that really is indicative of how much he has changed or at least he's trying to appear to have changed on matters of defense. wu of course he also is going to hit the live free or die state of new hampshire which has been pretty good to the paul family and to caucus states iowa and
1:06 pm
nevada where his organization issues and organization ability again with his father's help should make him do pretty well there, jake. >> dana bash thank you so much. let's bring in cnn political commentator and molly hemingway. thanks for joining me. effie let's start with you. i know you're not senator paul's biggest fan. but removing your views on him, he could be be a serious contender, i think. >> oh, absolutely. look he's got a lot of younger fans and he comes in with something established, a brand. that's the hardest thing to do especially in a crowded primary, to distinguish yourself from the rest of the pack. he already has spent four years making those distinctions pretty clear. now, i think he's got a long way to go in terms of clarifying his positions on a number of issues. but he comes in with the ready-made brand. that will certainly help him
1:07 pm
distinguish himself from the 20 other republicans slated to run pfr mol pfr. >> molly, senator paul in his speech obviously trying to disswath fears of people who prefer a more muscular policy said that radical islam is the enemy. he's not afraid to take it on. he will do whatever it takes to defend america. were you vised at how much he talked about national defense and iran and isis? >> not at all. there is a tremendous amount of hostility toward rand paul precisely on this issue. the hawks in the party are very nervous about his position. so he needed to come out strong. and he is a threat. he is sort of the middle grand'd ground between what you normally hear in d.c. politics either the peace nick we're never going to identify what flets face us versus the we're going to get involved in every conflict in the middle east. he presents stortd of a middle ground. we won't get involved in war, but when we do we're going to win and not just get bogged down in nation building. >> but here's the problem. he has not been clear on his
1:08 pm
position. i understand the political expedience of getting less isolationist, more moderate on foreign policy. he's done that on israel. but there are glaring contradictions and gaps. how do you go from the noninterventionist pgsosition to suddenly okaying -- i mean, he's changed so much that libertarians in particular should be asking why. is it because your politics have become unpalatable so you've made the calculation they need changing. work or have you discovered they're just impractical so you've kind of matured as a senator and understood you need a more pragmatic governing philosophy? >> i think people have never quite understood his position and he does need to clarify it. but his view seems to be we should mind our own business america should mind her own business, but mind it hard. you'll hear different things zs zs
1:09 pm
depending on the situation. he may not see the need of getting involved in every random country's conflict. but when there's a threat that vofrls america or america's people, he's hard core about the need to go to war. but it comes off differently because so many people in d.c. and so many people who are engaged in foreign policy discussions are at one extreme or another. he's at a middle ground but i think it's much more palatable to average american voters. >> i just want to run, there is this republican group that came out with an ad attacking paul for his position. i don't know if the control room if we have it. there it is. >> negotiations with iran. but he doesn't understand the threat. >> you know, it's ridiculous totyto think they're a threat to our national security. >> rand paul is wrong and dangerous dangerous. >> this is a very forceful out of the gate attack on rand paul from some of the foreign policy establishment. mollie, i had dick cheney on the show.
1:10 pm
i said, if it came down to rand paul versus hillary clinton, who would you vote for? >> he's not alone. john mccain and lindsey graham have been very tepid if supportive at all. i don't know if that that's a mrob. a lot of republican voters and a lot ever voters in the country didn't like the way the country waged its last dumbcouple of wars. we didn't win. we had resources spread out and didn't have a good strategy for winning them. have people who are critical of this position who were part of the that bad war fighting effort are not -- that's not necessarily a proob. >> there's one or elle fant in the room, ron paul his father who is i don't know how to say it without ending up with 9 million tweets but has very objectionable views to many americans, to many hadrepublicans and has affiliated himself with some real crackpots on the right. i think that will guarantee those tweets. >> incoming. >> how do you deal with that somebody like ron paul?
1:11 pm
>> rand paul sort of i think spent the past decade watching his dad run for president, and thought to himself, i can do that better. so i think you've seen him moderate because he understands rightly that ron paul's views were completely unpalatable. so he's starting from that you know far right or left i don't even know what to call it place of ron paul and moderating toward the center. the trick is going to be to take the ron paul supporters the young folks who liked ron paul's libertarianism and also make his again governing philosophy which is different from his libertarian philosophy work for the center. that's going to be a tough thing to pull off. i know you're confident he can, but i think he's going to have a tough time with that. >> we have to leave it there. mollie, appreciate you being here. s.e. thank you so much. our national lead now. a widespread power outage across washington, d.c., affecting not
1:12 pm
only local residents and businesses but several news organizations and the white house and state department. what caused it? does it expose a vulnerability in the d.c. power grid? that's next.
1:13 pm
1:14 pm
[ laughing ] want to play hide and seek? yeah! 1... 2... 6... 10! [ female announcer ] piña colada yoplait. it is so good when you need a little escape. [ mom ] still counting. doug, we have the results, but first, we have a very special guest. come on out, flo! [house band playing] you have anything to say to flo? nah, i'll just let the results do the talking. [crowd booing] well, he can do that. we show our progressive direct rate and the rates of our competitors even if progressive isn't the lowest. it looks like progressive is not the lowest! ohhhh! when we return we'll find out whether doug is the father. wait, what?
1:15 pm
1:16 pm
welcome back to "the lead." our national lead the white house the state department, the jusz department and other very sensitive, very high security areas went dark this afternoon after a major power outage affected thousands in the washington, d.c. area. a federal official now tells cnn that a blast at a power transfer line in southern maryland caused the blackout. of course a widespread outage such as this in the nation's capital on what was storm-free early spring day does more than just send people huffing and puffing up the stairway giving the lack of working elevate rz
1:17 pm
but sends suspicions in the minds of many who live and work in this area including military and homeland officials as far as an attack that could be life changing in a way that most of us never, fr think about. rene marsh joins us now. what happened? >> in addition to the white house and the department of justice which you just mentioned, power also out briefly at the capitol building also some smith sewn yum museums lost pure. they had to evacuate. this expanded to mass transit as well. several train stations were forced to operate on backup power. and i want you to take a look at the moment at the state department. there you see it. that's when the power went out. spokeswoman marie harf using her cell phone, being very resourceful there, as a light source. there you see it. the power at this hour we can tell you has been fully restored there at the state department and the other federal buildings,
1:18 pm
you know. jake pepco says around 1:00 this afternoon there was a dip in the voltage and because of a problem with a transmission line that problem we know stemmed from a fire/explosion at a switch irstation. and that's what kind of led to this ripple effect of power being out. we should point out they say at this point the department of homeland security no connection to terrorism. >> good to know. rene thank you so much. joining me live from los angeles to discuss the bigger picture is sean henry, former fbi executive assistant director and president of cyber security firm crowd strike. sean good to see you. thankfully this doesn't appear to be a willful act, an attack. what can we learn about today's outage about the fragility of our infrastructure, especially in washington, d.c. the nation's capital? >> yeah jake. so i mean this is really indicative of the impact that some type of lack of resiliency
1:19 pm
of our infrastructure can have on washington, d.c. when you look at the white house and state department other buildings that we really rely on day to day from a national security perspective, for hemthem to be out of power, certainly a cause for some concern. and our adversaries are looking at this. they've been targeting our infrastructure for a long time. they've made no point about it that they are going to target from a cyber perspective our infrastructure because they recognize how fragile it is and they know what the impact would be on our critical infrastructure if it was taking down. it would have a cascadening impack on our society. >> shawn, as we have discussed, there's a huge disconnect between how much national security officials and people like you worry about a cyber attack or successful attack on our electrical gripd and how much the public know bz this as a threat and how much they worry about it. explain to our viewers, how bad could it get? what would a successful attack on our grid do to this country?
1:20 pm
>> well, we've got a lot of vulnerability in hardware and software, and we have critical pieces of infrastructure that are increasingly being connected to the network, all of those connections provide an ingress for an adversary to get into those networks. and by manipulating code by inputting malicious software, adversaries can potentially disrupt or take control of some of the computer systems that run our critical infrom structure. there are people who don't take this seriously. today on my way to this studio to come talk to you, i talked to a high-level official in a state government who expressed some concern to me about the energy sector in his state. and he said he talked to somebody in the department of energy, and the person in the department of energy said no need to worry about this energy is not a target of the adversary, which is absolutely wrong. we know for a fact that nation states, terrorist group shgz activists have identified the critical infrastructure, energy
1:21 pm
spifkt specifically, the power grid as a target. we have to be concern birthday that. >> shawn, just a week ago president obama signed an executive order aimed at retaliation against foreign cyber attacks. what exactly would that executive order do and does it go far enough? >> i think that's a great step. we've been calling for this for a long time. we called out the government and the prive sector certain nation states, russia china and iran specifically, nor some of the ingress into networks where they've stolen intellectual property and research and development. and there's been no real retaliation or response from the government. what this zuf executive order is lays out financial actions sanctions that can be be taken against individuals, organizations or countries that are proven to have taken data out of the u.s., u.s. corporations or have launched some type of an attack or disruptive measures against critical infrastructure. and this is very similar to some
1:22 pm
of the actions we've taken against organized crime against major drug cartels, seizing assets and holding them financially accountable. at that it's a good step. the devil is in the details. it will bear out in the future when we start to see some of these actions being put into place. >> it's a major cyber war going on that most people aren't really paying attention to. shawn henry, thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up next his lawyers say he was there when the murder happens, but that former new england patriots star aaron hernandez did not pull the trigger. our reporter inside the courtroom says he looked confident as the jury gets the case. plus he's an oscar winning actor who not only stars in but directs his latest film. russell crowe will join me live on set to tell me what it was like to be behind the camera for the first time in his important war movie. that's ahead. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. [ female announcer ] boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium
1:23 pm
and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a delicious taste. grandpa! [ female announcer ] stay strong, stay active with boost. let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable professional. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] woman: [laughs] no way! that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro you just don't know. cfp -- work with the highest standard. we never thought we'd be farming wind out here. it's not just building jobs here it's helping our community. siemens location here has just received a major order of wind turbines. it puts a huge smile on my face. cause i'm like 'this is what we do.' the fact that iowa is leading the way in wind energy i'm so proud, like it's just amazing.
1:24 pm
1:25 pm
1:26 pm
welcome back do "the lead." i'm jake tapper. in our national lead, jurors in the boston marathon bomber trial could decide the fate of dzhokhar tsarnaev at any momentment the 21-year-old is facing 30 charges including a weapon of mass destruction in the terrorist attacks that
1:27 pm
killed four people. 17 of those charges carry the death penalty. if he's found guilty on just one of them tsarnaev may be sentenced to death. let's get right to cnn's alexandra field live outside federal court in boston. do we have any indication yet from the jury about how long they might take to deliberate or how they might be lean ghg this case? >> reporter: well, jake, certainly this isn't a whodunit. they've been inside of that room deliberating for about seven hours now. but you'll remember this is a case where in the opening statements the defense said it was him. in the closing arguments the defense said the defendant dzhokhar tsarnaev was ready to accept responsibility for his actions in the form of a verdict. i don't think we'll get a lot of surprises when the jury does timely deliver their verdict. but the guessing game now is when the jury will be able to deliver that verdict. they've got a big job ahead of them. there may be some foregone conclusions in this case, but this is the first opportunity the jurors really have to talk
1:28 pm
about what they've seen and heard. remember, they've heard testimony from some 96 witnesses over the last 5 weeks or so. there's a lot they'll want to discuss. they also have this verdict slip in front of them. it's 32 pages long outlining the 30 counts. >> they've got to go through this methodically, check out guilty or not guilty on every one of those counts. they've got to make sure the government has made their case on each of those counts before delivering their verdict, jake. >> then what happens after that after the verdict? what comes next to determine whether or not tsarnaev will be sentenced to death, assuming he is found guilty? >> reporter: right. well, you point out that if he's found guilty of just one of the 17 charge that's comes with a possible death sentence, then we move into the penalty phase of this trial. and that's almost a reset of the trial. we would then go to opening statements. there would be new witnesses, new testimony. and then jurors would deliberate on whether or not to spare tsarnaev's life. this is the phase of the case in which we would hear a lot more
1:29 pm
from the defense. remember, jake the defense only put four witnesses on the stand during the verdict phase of this trial. it will be their job to convince juror that's tsarnaev's life should be saved. they'll be making the argument that we've begun to hear, that tamerlan was the mastermind, dzhokhar was easily influenced. you'll hear much more about his background, about his family, why they say he was struggling in school, why he was particularly susceptible to tamerlan in this case, jake. >> axe and ra, thank you so much. also in massachusetts, a just learned a jury will pick up deliberations again tomorrow in the aaron hernandez trial. it started about an hour ago before the panel was dismissed. the former patriots star is on trial for the murder of odin lloyd. closing arguesments wrapped up earlier today after ten weeks of testimony. we've heard from hernandez's fiancee and the owner of the patriots, from a nike shoe consultant who testified about air jordans owned by hernandez. we've heard a lot of
1:30 pm
circumstantial evidence but so far it doesn't seem no smoking gun. susan candiotti is live for us. no witnesses, no weapon. does the prosecution have a chance here? >> reporter: hi, jake. well the prosecutors would argue that they do have a chance. here's why. they believe that they have been able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that aaron hernandez is the one who put the plot together orchestrated it called the victim the night of the murder, picked him up at his house and drove him -- on video you see this -- into an industrial park. when aaron hernandez drove home odin lloyd was no longer alive. authorities also say that they think they have proven the fact this he had a gun in his hand before he left his house and again after odin lloyd is murdered. now, the defense will say, you didn't prove it at all. in fact, you haven't even proven a solid motive. for the first time the defense
1:31 pm
acknowledged that aaron hernandez was at the crime scene but this time they said this, he just witnessed a crime that he had no idea was going to happen. and you can't charge him with anything that happened after that because he's only charged with murder. he was only a witness. we'll see what the jury thinks. >> susan, there's been a lot of talk by court observers about hernandez's, for want of a better word swagger in court. do you think his body language has been a turnoff to the jury at all? >> reporter: well here's why it won't be. because when the jury is present and the cameras are rolling and the trial is going on he has been all business. it is only after the jury leaves and when he comes and goes from court where he is smiling, where he is laughing, when he is joking with his relatives, including his fiancee even after the jury went out to begin deliberations today, jake. aaron hernandez was turning and
1:32 pm
carrying on quite a long conversation with his fiancee, laughing with her and appearing pretty self-confident. so maybe at least that's how he's looking on the outside. who knows whether he's nervous on the inside. after all, he could be spending the rest of his life behind bars if he is found guilty of first-degree murder. >> susan candiotti, thank you so much. our coverage of this case continues this evening. watch a cnn special report "downward spiral: inside the case against aaron hernandez" tonight at 9:00 eastern on cnn. in other national news today, a family demanding answers after a man dies in police custody. now new cell phone video of the arrest shows a police dog attacking the man. was this excessive force? we'll watch that video and talk about it, next. financial noise
1:33 pm
financial noise your eyes depend on a unique set of nutrients. that's why there's ocuvite. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula that's just not found in any leading multivitamin. help protect your eye health with ocuvite. my constipation and belly pain feel like a raging storm. i've tried laxatives but my symptoms keep returning. my constipation feels like a heavy weight that keeps coming back. vo: linzess can help. once-daily linzess treats adults with
1:34 pm
ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. linzess is thought to help calm pain-sensing nerves and accelerate bowel movements. linzess helps you proactively manage your symptoms. do not give linzess to children under 6, and it should not be given to children 6 to 17. it may harm them. don't take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. if it's severe stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. other side effects include, gas, stomach-area pain and swelling. bottom line, ask your doctor about linzess today. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years.
1:35 pm
humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. talk to your doctor and visit this is humira at work the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day.
1:36 pm
whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. the national lead. we want you to see a video raising questions about whether
1:37 pm
a man who died in police custody was mauled by a police dog. the cell phone images show the canine over the man's head chblt you can also see officers huddled over him. this was last tuesday in cumberland county, new jersey. the cell phone video now emerging on local news in the area. the man on the ground philip white died shortly after this confrontation lext's bring in ka teak ka shub ert. what are police saying about this incident? >> immediately after the incident the cumberland county police chief called philip white's death a tragedy. but that was last week. since then, this disturbing video has surfaced. police, we called them toefd. they referred us to the prosecutor's office which is investigating. the prfr's office won't give us a comment on this specific video. all we know from the prosecutor is the time line of events which is that basically police were called in on march 31st last tuesday, to a call of disorderly person. they encountered philip white. they handcuffed and restrained him and then according to
1:38 pm
police, they called for medical assistance because he had problems breathing. now, he was put in an emergency vehicle and at some point along the way he became unresponsive. he was pronounced dead when he arrived at the hospital. now, we can clearly see in this video a police dog used in the arrest. but what exactly happened before the video, immediately afterwards or what is happening with the dog so close to philip white's face we don't know, if that contributed to his death. that is what is now under investigation. i did speak to the family lawyer, however of the family of philip white. they say he had no health problems they know of, no problems of respiratory illness. they're very distraught, especially to see this video. they're now asking police for any other material evidence that might be there, such as dash cam video to find out exactly what happened, jake. >> atika, thank you. coming up his directorial debut and personal feelings about war seem to be on display. next actor and director russell
1:39 pm
crowe joins me to talk about his latest film. plus secrets spilled by former white house staffers about the clintons, their explosive fights and mrs. clinton's interesting way of dealing with the monica lewinsky scandal, comeing up. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice.
1:40 pm
doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. scott: appears buster's been busy. man: yeah, scott. i was just about to use the uh... scott: that's a bunch of ground-up paper, lad! scotts ez seed uses the finest seed, fertilizer, and natural mulch that holds water so you can grow grass anywhere! seed your lawn. seed it! hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue the horns... just harness the confidence it took you to win me and call td ameritrade's rollover consultants. they'll help with the hassle by guiding you through the whole process step by step. and they'll even call your old provider. it's easy. even she could do it. whatever, janet. for all the confidence you need td ameritrade. you got this.
1:41 pm
making a fist something we do to show resolve. to defend ourselves. to declare victory. so cvs health provides expert support and vital medicines. make a fist for me. at our infusion centers or in patients homes. we help them fight the good fight. cvs health, because health is everything.
1:42 pm
1:43 pm
welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. scientists are sifting through a treasure trove just found inside a french tunnel. graffiti by service members, carving out messages maps inside hideout rooms for those who came after them. the discovery comes as the world marks 100 years since one of the bloodiest battles of world war i. hundreds of thousands of turks on one side and australians and new zeal &ers slaughtered which brings us to our pop culture lead. the battle is at the heart of a moving new film called "the water divine" starring russell crowe and marks his debut as a director. the movie will hit u.s. theaters in two weeks. russell crowe joins me now. first, happy birthday. >> thank you very much.
1:44 pm
>> your character joshua connor first, i saw the movie, it was very moving. congratulations. your character joshua connor travels to find out what happened to his three sons who never came back from the battle of ga lip aly. do you think there's a larger message about war in this film? >> no doubt. i think it's a responsibility you take on when you approach this sort of subject. there was a time when movies like this fed a different part of our psyche you know. >> the more rah-rah. >> and all of that. i don't think that's the responsible position to take especially because i'm the father of two boys. >> tell me about that. i don't know if you remember when you started watching films and identifying the dad as opposed to identifying with the son. i remember that a few years ak. now i identify with the dad. i have two children. i identify with your character. do you think that if they were called to join the army you would not want them to join? because i myself as a supporter
1:45 pm
of troops and veterans but also wanting my kids to live i have mixed feelings about it. >> i would find it very hard to do that you know. you know i think that all of us have a time where we honor the soldier or honor the warrior but we still condemn the war at the same time. you know i don't know where we go in the future but i think the more open discussions we have about what really -- what war consists of and how it affects and who it affects i think is a healthy thing to do. >> you must get tons of scripts all the type. i'm sure a number of them are about war mainly because of the role in "gladiator" you played so convincingly. what about "the water diviner" spoke to you that made you say not only that you wanted to be in it but wanted to direct it. >> i think it's a combination of the same thing you were talking about. i was reading a piece as a
1:46 pm
father about a father. so i had a direct connection to that. but also the history of the piece. it's such an important point in time for australians and new zealanders. it essentially signals the first time they fought under their own flag. that was just after they became independent countries. >> a big moment of pride for the australians and new zealanders. >> but it's more complex than that because it's also about the manner in which we encouraged young men to volunteer. it became a big societal thing and people were encouraged because it was defending england defending france it was european allyies. but it was also sold to them as their one and only chance for adventure. you come from a small outback town. the next thing you know you're on this boat you can see the pyramids of egypt ajdnd the glories of paris. so it was kind of sold in a way that made young men put up their hand. and if you didn't and you were
1:47 pm
able bodied that was a big question and kind of a black mark on you. the opportunity in this script to put a perspective in front of an audience that hasn't been considered in the last 100 years, that was the civil perspective of the turks. we view it as anze digsary portion, goes across the world to fight for what we say is a good cause, defending the motherland england. i'm in istanbul in a high school and the clocks are stopped on the wall. i asked the man why. he said in 1915 after moms and dads dropped their kids off in the school the government came and took all the senior students and made them soldiers. by that night, they were in trenches fighting the war. it's a completely different experience to take a group of young volunteers and see them off at the dock and hear about their experiences via communications later than it is for a country to be so desperate because they're being invaded to strip their high schools of senior students.
1:48 pm
>> and the movie makes it very clear, you see the humanity of the turks. in fact, your character bonds with a member of the turkish military and there is just this sense of senseless loss at this battle. >> on both sides. >> on both sides. hundreds of thousands. i think more than 200,000 turks were killed and more than 200,000 -- >> right. not just australians and new zealand zealanders, also the canadians british, french indian you have newfoundland fighting as a sovereign nation. it was a very complicated group of allies that were involved in that invasion and they obviously expected to do a lot better than they did. >> now, you've been directed as an actor many times. this is your first time directing. i can imagine -- i don't know you very well -- you're a rather strong willed director. did you learn anything about the perspective of directors from your previous decades as an actor? >> of course. i started working in front of a cam what when i was 6 years old in 1970.
1:49 pm
i've done 25 lead roles in feature film. i have a massive education in being on a film set and involved in problem solving. i have no problem stealing from anybody. if i have worked with a great director that shows me a solution for a particular thing that's in the back of my mind. on the way to doing this, though, i didn't suddenly decided to do this. i've directed 30-something video clips for rock bands, three full-length documentaries. i've been prepare migself over time. but this wasn't planned. this movie wasn't planned. it just came to me in the middle of the busiest professional year i've had. i made four features in one year which is highly unusual. and it landed on my lap. i read it. i had such a deep detection to it i had to do it. so my plans changed. >> smeeking of wars, i do want to ask about when we were researching preparing for this interview there's a very harrowing story about threats to you that folks might not know out there in 2001 the fbi told you there was an al qaeda plot
1:50 pm
against you and the fbi provided security torefor you. it's an incredible story. why were you targeted? >> vi i have no no idea. it went on for a certain period of time. then they went away and i guess it went away. i arrived one time in los angeles as i had done many times before, and there were chaps from the fbi wanting to have a chat. that's all. >> the last question i have for you is do you feel as the star and the director more sensitivity to criticism of this film than maybe you've felt when you were i don't want to say merely the star but with less, quote unquote, yours because you didn't direct it. >> well, certainly it's a more intimate experience from a creative point of view because everything in the movie is you. the composition the color, the texture. you know it's the emotional journey what music you've chosen, the highs and lows of the film where the laughs may be. all of that is your construct. but whether or not you feel more
1:51 pm
sensitive towards it is a strange question because it's your construction, you're actually more easily able to defend it as well you know. >> you know the reason that certain decisions were made. >> yeah. and, you know sometimes -- you know this is an independent australian film. is th is not made with a big studio behind it. this was financed step by step, getting people on board selling it territory by territory. we have for example, wonderful connection here in america where we distribute it by warner brothers but in eight other countries distributed it by universal n. turkey by mars. it's a patch work quilt that makes up an independent film. and we had that exact experience. you don't get a chunk of money in the bank when you start. you get a dribble, you hit a mark you get a dribble. you deal with that over your head the entire time. >> it's a beautiful and moving film. your director of photography is just great.
1:52 pm
>> it's wonderful and very moving. so best of luck. >> thank you very much. >> it's really nice to meet you. happy birthday again. >> thank you. coming up shocking clinton secrets spilled like the stitches the president had to reportedly get after the monica lewinsky news broke. how did that happen? that's next.
1:53 pm
hey, what's up? i'm ted. rudy and i have a lot of daily rituals. namaste. stay. taking care of our teeth is one of them. when i brush my teeth, he gets a milk-bone brushing chew. just another way to keep ourselves healthy. i'll go change. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others.
1:54 pm
healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care... by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier... we're here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here.
1:55 pm
1:56 pm
. welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. our politics lead. it's supposed to be one of the most secure homes in the world, the white house, where the leader of the free world lives. the first family secrets are supposed to be sacrosanct. but this is washington, after all. in a new book called "the residence: inside the private world of the white house" is spilling the beans on some of the most intimate presidential
1:57 pm
moments witnessed by staffers insiders now breaking the code of silence. brianna keilar is here with all the juicy details. brie kron na some of the most shocking secrets revolve around the clintons. >> certainly. this book really dishes, jake. you learn about a number of different white houses the president dens of the white house nancy reagan perhaps the most particular lbj maybe the most peculiar. but the clintons come across as the most privacy obsessed. one usher who served for the carter administration, the reagan administration and for bush 41 as well as the clintons goes as far as to say that the couple was paranoid. as bill and hillary clinton prepare to fight their bay back into the white house, a new book reveals detail bz the explosive arguments they had inside its halls. there was blood all over the president and first lady's bed. the blood was bill clinton's.
1:58 pm
what did they think had happened? >> well, everyone on the staff said that they were convinced that she clocked him with a book. >> in an abc interview at the time clinton dismissed similar rumors that she had thrown a lamp at the president. >> i have a pretty good arm. if i had thrown a lamp at somebody, i think you would have known about it. >> reporter: but insiders say the monica lewinsky scandal leave her reeling. one summer day hillary clinton enlisted an ausher to help her getting to the swimming pool without secret service detail. >> she escorted her to make sure she wouldn't have to see anybody on a tour she didn't want to see anyone. she specifically said that. so he was so proud he was able to make this happen. >> just a few of the juicy tidbits in a new largely onthe record account of live behind the scenes in the white house. kate anderson braugher interviewed dozens of former maids chefs, floorists butlers and doormen who have worked at the white house dating back to the kennedys for the residents
1:59 pm
inside the private world of the white house. their accounts of everyday life at 1600 pennsylvania avenue seemingly ripped from the script of the pbs series ""downton abbey" and just like in the popular show, the lack of privacy in the white house is a constant theme in the book. former employees describe bill and hillary as the most private first couple they worked for. >> i've had staffers say the clintons were the most definitely paranoid first family, that they ever had to work with. and they didn't ever really trust the staff. it took them a year to carry on a conversation while the staff was in the room. >> the clintons had the white house phone system rewired so they could make their own calls instead of going through an operator. >> they were worried about people listening in on their calls. >> now the clintons did ultimately get on pretty well the staff, xraikjake. that's important to note. there's also sort of sweet moments in the book the pastry chef at the white house under the clintons talking about how he was sort of proud that in the
2:00 pm
dark days of the lewinsky scandal hillary clinton would call frequently to request her favorite treat, which was mocha cake and also that the female staff really rallied to her side, at least amongst themselves. >> brianna, i can't help but observe that the clirntens had reason to not trust the staffers. >> that's true. >> thank you so. . that's it for me. i'll turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room". happening now, breaking news. white house tapped. hackers working for the russian government they say broke into whoit house computers and obtained sensitive information, including access to the president's schedule. how did they get in? and were they able to access important secrets? weapons and intelligence. as a country in chaos and students sign when air strikes their school, the u.s. steps up aid to a key ally. but is it too late? 10$10 billion wasted? your tax dollars s