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good evening. we begin with breaking news. isis expanding its brutal tactics to a third country. tonight we're learning isis is making significant gains in yemen. already a stronghold for militants. we can report isis militants are recruiting inside of yemen. rebels already seizing the presidential palace and other buildings. this as two american navy warships are in position. they say they are ready to evacuate american embassy personnel. the biggest fear is that analysts are saying isis and al qaeda may be in direct competition with each other. competition to see who can strike america first. brian todd broke this story. it's a significant develop. how serious a threat is this competition. now you have it face-to-face between isis and al qaeda. >> reporter: it's a very serious threat inside and outside of
yemen and america. isis has established a presence inside yemen and is engaged in one fire fight against its rivals from al qaeda. it could further destabilize that key ally in the war on terror. cnn has learned isis is now active and recruiting inside yemen. that's according to an official who says isis militants engaged in a gun battle against rivals in the eastern provinces of yemen last month. >> it is a place where we've seen attacks against the united states. it also has been a major feeder for foreign fighters.
>> a u.s. counter terrorism official says aqap's leadership and technical experts remain committed to plotting against western targets. in a new video a top aqap leader renewed the group's call to launch attacks. >> i think the target will be the europeans because of their ease to get on the continueent. ultimate ultimately their aim is the united states. >> reporter: the u.s. is working to track their leader. both attacks targeted the united states. both almost succeeded. he once placed a bomb inside the
body of his own brother. >> he detonated it in a meeting where he was surrendering to the saudi prince. it failed. it shows the lengths they will go to try to achieve their target. >> reporter: officials worry they will compete to see who can strike america and its allies first and hardest. the foothold is still small according to the official we smoke with. isis is trying to lure recruits from aqap promising them isis has more money to fund operations. we're told aqap is struggling to raise money now. >> thank you very much. isis threatening to execute two hostages in hours. fewer than 30 hours remain until isis terrorists say they will
kill the two japanese men there unless they receive $200 million in ransom. will you've been seeing this through the eyes of the japanese media. the united states has said they should not pay. will the japanese pay ransom? >> the fact the japanese government is saying they want to open a line of communication with isis indicating they are willing to sit down at the table and talk. japan, unlike the united states is not entirely against the idea of paying ransom. perhaps the japanese government is willing to talk to isis. a $200 million figure is totally unrealistic and that would not happen. the sque what would the japanese government will willing to give if anything, and what would isis be willing to take. >> that's the crucial question.
there's been reports from some we have spoken to that france has paid up to 18 million to free journalists from isis. tim, there's a couple of things different about this situation. this is the first time isis has said we want the ransom and here's the deadline. the japanese have been very specific. 12:50 a.m. eastern time is when they think it expires. who do you think there's been a change in tactic to something so specific? >> it creates pressure on the japanese government. it makes isis look like they are the stronger negotiator in this.
isis giving the time line now just shows we're the ones that lead this bargaining table. krou come to us. we'll dictate whether or not we allow our terms to change. it's a power position obviously. >> it seems, perhaps that's working. other countries pay ransom. as i mentioned france. james foley was killed by isis. four french journalists were with him. france according to many reports, they never confirmed but reportedly paid up to $18 million. one german magazine reported that number. do you believe that ransom could work? would it have saved james foley? >> i think so.
it wasn't just the french. it was italian, german and danish. all those hostages were brought back and safe in their homes tonight. while it's not entirely clear that a ransom was paid in every case we know from our own investigation that in most cases ransom was paid. just recently two italian aid workers were paid for. what is clear is that the islamic state wants to rid themselves if you will of these hostages. there is a means to that end. >> to that point, tim, i'm curious. one thing we heard is they were running out of hostages. these beheading videos have helped them. they have helped them recruit. it helps them with some that it appears they have the same guy and the same voice standing there threatening this time.
the west and america failed to take this guy out. why then would they take out two at the same time? if western hostages or obviously, in this case japanese, are so valuable they don't have that many of them why would you kill two at the same time? >> i think they're using the two because they're trying to use leverage. they have offered $200 million to support the anti-efforts but to support the efforts against them. i think the isis members that have these two hostages are realizing this is a one time play. let's throw the same number back at them. the 200 million, and it becomes a lose-lose situation for japan. they cannot win in this. they pay and do what the iraqi government considers supporting terrorism or they let their citizens die. isis comes out more powerful.
>> the stance the u.s. government is taking not everyone agrees with, but you don't pay terrorists. you don't give them money because it encourages them. you're saying no. it couldn't matter. it's okay to pay ransom? >> that question was to me? >> yes, to you phil. >> i think the public policy of not paying ransom is fine. i think it's probably the right thing. there needs to be a much more nuanced approach. i think our policy for dealing with hostages is failed policy. i think the facts speak for themselves. jim foley, stephen sotloff lost their lives. a young woman 17 months in captivity, still being held. jim foley's traveling companion
still being held after more than two years. i think there's two things that need to happen. one, the government needs to open up a line of communication with the kidnappers to try to resolve the case. i think the families of the hostages need to be permitted to do what they feel is best. if that is a ransom payment, that was true with the foley's and i know the family of the young woman who's name has been re not been vealrevealed they want to pay a ransom but it's not easy to find 3 and $5 million. >> thanks very much to boast you have. there's a 26-year-old american woman held hostage by isis. new information about the paris attackers. criminals are turning to islamic extremism during their
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attackers still on the run. urged by the gunman to leave before the attack. we know there are about half a dozen suspects. officials fear they could pose a huge and new danger. pamela brown is in paris reporting for us. what are your sources telling you about the danger posed by these suspects? >> reporter: i can tell you they are very concerned. it's believed around half a dozen people associates left france and went into syria. of course a black hole and really a terrorist safe haven just before the paris attacks. it's believed the suspects urged them to leave before they launched the attacks. really the concern is they could have the same intent and capabilities as the suspects and we saw what happened here in paris. now, authorities are concerned not only could isis recruit
them could they be used in propaganda videos but also are they plotting against the west. is this people with western passports, could they come back and launch an attack here. one source said they the fact they are in this war torn area with terrorists like isis raises concern. >> i would imagine it does. with the suspects on the loose, many of them not apprehended, real fear of another and bigger attack. there are growing concerns that even if more people connected to the french terrorists are caught putting them in jail could make things worse. it could make it more extreme. nic robertson has our report. >> reporter: inside a french jail prisoners hang bed sheets from a window. owe yo-yoing they call it.
spreading inging messages. it's becoming a gaping hole in prisons. cameras are banned yet prisoners including kosher supermarket killer shot this themselves several years ago. according to journalists at the french newspaper who were documenting prison life. the jail is on the out skirts of paris. the same jail where years earlier cherif met coulibady. >> both young men been in contact directly for seven months with him, a terrible affect affect. >> reporter: he's more powerless than ever to keep order.
>> sometime we are too -- >> that's impossible. >> it's really odd to do. >> reporter: the french aren't the only country with this problem. this reform terror convict in the uk told me about rampant cad calization two years ago. >> this is al qaeda here. >> reporter: when u.s. troops showed me around the prison in iraq in 2008 they were having the same problem. radicalization. isis leader grew popular here. in the u.s. a muslim convert who is accused edd beheading a former co-worker is believed to radicalized in jail. carlos bledsoe shot and killed a soldier outside a military recruiting office in arkansas 2009. he converted to islam and said he plotted jihad while in jail. it's in front where the problem
is becoming acute. the french justice ministry says 283 people are from french jails on terrorism charges. they judge 152 of those to be radical islamists. there's growing concerns they may be trying to radicalize others. the french government says they are close to 67,000 people in jails here. experts estimate as many of 60% of those are muslims. >> our national security analyst, nic is talking about paris but it's also happened here in the united states. what is the u.s. supposed to do about it? the first thing they do when they find somebody who has done somebody was to put them in prison. now we are finding that's where someone converts or become radicalized. >> exactly. the department of justice told me a long time ago, almost a
decade ago, this is one of their main fears is americans could become radicalized. from their standpoint you're in jail, one of the safest groups to join is the islamic ones. they are very organized, very safe. >> when you say safe what does that mean? safe. >> they don't turn on each other. they protect each other from the different gangs. the narcotics gangs or mexican gangs on the rest of it. it's a safe place to go when you're in federal prison or a local prison. there's a strict hierarchy and a rule of law. they also start reading the koran and have something who is self-taught who is teaching them islam. there's some cases where it's radical jihad. they don't necessarily need to plan an attack but they need to justify it in people's minds.
for criminals and marginal types they find a calling in life, you could almost say. >> what i'm curious about is you're now in the situation where you say you have somebody who you think was involved or suspected or who has been in syria. that alone, people are saying that's enough to detain. you detain people. some of whom may be planning something horrible and some who may not. the ones who are not, what's the concern they get radicalized? >> a good number of them will be more radicalized. they will go back home and attack american interests. they may not have committed a crime here but they will in the future.
there's nothing you can do to predict that. one guy tried to blow himself up and his vest didn't go off. he was 50 years old. he wasn't young. i said what will you do when you get out? he said i'll find another suicide vest and blow myself up. it's a problem. they still communicate as we saw in france even when people are put in isolation there's ways to talk in prison and to recruit people. >> thank you very much. next a poke in the eye for president obama. it takes a old battle to a whole new level. reports that a quote screaming stall warning was heard. we'll tell you about it. machine aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals antioxidants and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™.
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speak before congress without telling the white house first. this is major speech. it's a speech passionately loudly against one of the president's most cherished goals, a nuclear deal with iran. dana bash is out front. this is a historic moment. it was done behind the president's back and the announcement came hours after he warned congress not to get involved with the negotiations at all. >> reporter: you're right. there's so many layers of intrigue and drama here. you have three very powerful men with complicated personal relationships and a very real issue in differences over how to stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon. dpop gop sources admit congress traditionally coordinates with the white house before asking a world leader to address congress. >> i did not consult with the white house. >> reporter: they both want congress to pass new sanctions against iran which the president
opposes. >> is this just a way to poke the president in the eye on an issue like iran where you know he very much opposes what you want to do? >> i don't believe i'm poking anyone in the eye. there's a serious threat that exists in the world. the president last night kind of papered over it. >> reporter: it was hours earlier that obama warned congress more sanctions against iran would jeopardize nuclear negotiations. >> between now and this spring we have chance to negotiate a comprehensive agreement that prevents a nuclear armed iran. i will veto any sanctions billed to undo this progress. >> reporter: as he spoke the president had no idea what john boehner had been planning for weeks to bring the israeli prime minister to stand in the very same place and tell congress the opposite. >> we have shared cause. we have common ideals and now we
must rise to that moment once again. >> reporter: boehner is taking advantage of a long history between netanyahu and obama. like netanyahu's infamous lecture many the oval office. >> israel cannot permit such a state to have the ability to make atomic bombs. >> reporter: last year anonymous senior officials bad mouthed netanyahu with bad language. the speaker isn't undermining obama, he's assisting netanyahu. a high profile u.s. speech on a nuclear iran which israeli's see as a threat could help. boehner has some high profile democrats on his side who thinks the president's talks with iran is a fool's errand. >> the more i hadear from the
administration the more it sounds like talking points that come straight out of tehran. >> reporter: pretty remarkable words from a democrat, a powerful democrat about fellow democrats in the white house. what is the administration saying about this? privately they are not happy with the house speaker or the israeli prime minister. publicly they are diplomatic using words like unusual and bizarre. >> right. it's a big moment. a poke in the eye, a slap in the face. it's significant. it's something probably stronger than either one of those indicate. thank you very much. jim, this is a huge development. when you look at last night at the president telling congress they know this is near and dear to his heart. he's saying you all need to stay away from this. john boehner sitting behind him like a cat with no reaction at all. he knows he's be announcing about benjamin netanyahu.
>> reporter: safe to say the white house was not pleased. maybe that's the understatement of the week. a white house official said the first they heard of this was not from the israelis it was when they got a heads up from speaker boehner's office because the president was on the road in boise, idaho today. he did tell reporters the white house believes the decision to accept boehner's office was a departure from protocol. the standard procedure in case tliek is like this is a head of state announcing a trip to the white house and asked whether the white house is annoyed, the administration is reserving judgment. the speech comes after the president warned he will veto iran sanctions bill that's passed while negotiations are under way with iran over their nuclear program. the white house is not saying at this point whether the president
will meet with netanyahu when he delivers that speech to congress next month. read between the lines here. this is a another chapter in that long saga of frosty relations between the president and netanyahu. >> it is. this is a historying moment.ic historic moment. doug let me is you, you just heard jim giving us a bit new information saying his understanding is that john boehner boehner's office called the white house just moments before this announcement. yes, that's a breach of protocol. this is a big deal, isn't it? >> it's unprecedented and weird and change in many ways. we've had 114 foreign leaders come to a joint session of congress. that's not unusual. during world war ii when winston
churchill came in '41 and '43 and in 1952 it was always to meet the president and go to congress. in this case it's unusual because congress is maybe the only person group, body that he'll meet. i'll be interested to see if president obama extends an invitation or gives him in cold shoulder. >> which in and of itself would be historic. the president and benjamin netanyahu are completely on the opposite side of this. it's hard to imagine the president actually meeting with prime minister netanyahu given the president's view that he wants to do a deal with iran. >> it does seem very doubtful doesn't it.
netanyahu is up for re-election. he's struggling. it might be the white house that says we don't want to meet with you. we've had worse moments. in the end, the question for the president and american foreign policy is what's best. the president seems admit that he's not going to allow it to continue. >> a lot of these countries that are backing want to do business with iran. this has been dragging on for more than a year.
n american interest but that doesn't mean it's going to be the right decision. we've got to be clear that iran is not our friend. they are our enemy. they are a real threat. a nuclear weapons in that country is disaster for israel. the president's last night said we can't rush to war. that's his big m.o. we rush to war in iraq. we rush to war in afghanistan. we're not going to rush. let's give this a try. let's lift the sanctions. we'll see what happens from it. it's dangerous strategy by the president but it's the course he has. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time. next breaking news. cbs and new york times reporting ferguson police officer darren wilson will be cleared by the justice department in the shooting death of michael brown. more on that breaking develop. stall warning reportedly
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police officer darren wilson. he was the white officer who shot and killed michael brown, an unarmed black teenager last august. it was the lack of an indictment by a grand jury in november that sparked violent riots from ferguson and massive protests across the united states. don lemon was there. he's out front now. a lot of people had a lot of hope that this result would be different. they kept saying the justice department's going to look that the and they're going to come to a different decision. >> i think a lot of people did. those of us and people who had been reading the evidence that came out from the grand jury when it was release and listening to the accounts from the officer and from people who are on the scene, it's not a surprise the most people. the evidence backed up the dna evidence backed up what officer darren wilson said.
he said he tussled with brown and brun tried to grab his gun. that was supported by the bruises on his face. >> there are some who will say that's been a lot of criticism here. some of the key witnesses admitted they lied. they made stuff up. they point-blank lied. they decided not to charge those people but some were key this terms of version of events darren wilson shed. >> they were key in st. louis, missouri but i don't think they were key to the federal investigation. >> they didn't go back and say the fact that they lied might give us more reason for a case? >> they conducted their own inspect independent investigation. they had their own autopsy and on and on. this is the justice department which is headed by an african-american which was put in place by an african-american
president. that's it. that's it. those are two separate investigations. >> i understand your point. does this put incredible pressure as eric holder is about to leave, on the justice department. no charges in the george zimmerman case. none in this case. then you've got that eric garner case in new york cell phone video with the alleged obviously the grand jury didn't indict there. does this put incredible pressure on the justice department? >> i think it does. just because there's no charge here doesn't mean there's not issues with police departments and how they investigate and police around the country and their relationship to the community especially people of color. it does put incredible pressure on the justice department but as we know eric holder will be gone soon. that will be in the hands of someone else. just because this particular outcome has happened doesn't
mean there aren't issues that don't need to be looked at. >> there's so many people that will be angry. what is michael brown's family saying? >> the family isn't saying anything personally. cnn reached out to benjamin crump. he said i don't want to say anything. they have commented on things before that weren't true. they are hoping this one isn't true. they don't want to comment on it until they figure it out. i also reached out to darren wilson's representatives. no comment thus far as well. >> thank you very much. new detail about what went on in the cockpit of air asia flight 8501. the plane was climbing twice as fast. we're learning that the stall warning reportedly heard was the sound of a screaming stall warning on the black box. did an undraft take down that flight? why everyone is now squeezing footballs.
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the jet stalled after climbing what is fair to describe at an astonished rate. it was about 6,000 feet per minute. that's double the normal climb rate for an airbus a-320. this is the stalled warning the pilots would have heard again and again. >> stall, stall. >> stall, stall. stall, stall. stall, stall. >> crash investigator told the wall street the stall warning kept on screaming in the background. they used the word screaming. that sounds a bit different but that's the word we're being given to describe how it sounds on the tape. our aviation analyst miles o' brien. this is the confirmation we're getting today. the plane did go into stall. when you hear that what do you make of it? >> well it's not a big
surprise erin. let's be clear when we talk about stalling we're not talking about the engine stopping. we're talking about an aerodynamic stall. the plane gets too >> you could imagine a scenario where this plane gets caught in the middle of a thunderstorm and is flying on its automated systems and gains too much speed. gets into an overspeed situation in which case the computer on board decided the thing to do is to raise the nose slow it down perhaps spool down the engines, in other words, turn them down a little bit. and when you get into that situation, the event that caused this if it's an updraft or whatever it may be ends you find yourself in a stall very quickly and at that point, what can happen this is the worst part of it is the computers give up the ghost and hand control of the pilots who may or may not
have the time to do what they need to do to recover the aircraft. >> miles, i guess this comes to the point that is so fearsome about this. when you describe this it seems like it could happen to anyone. when we look at the airspace that night, there were a lot of other planes around. this is actually a crowded area of airspace that's why they had to ask for permission to air climb which they didn't receive. there were multiple other airlines all in the area. so does that lead you to think that this was a mistake that could have been avoided or is it something that is just so random you hit that updraft, it doesn't matter how well trained your pilot is if you're the one on that plane, you don't have a shot. >> well here's the thing. you should never fly into a thunderstorm. the rules say you're supposed to stay 20 miles away from them. thunderstorms are dynamic, short lived, so a terrible cell which could take a plane out of the sky which hits one aircraft an aircraft nearby might have an
entirely different experience an uneventful flight. this is very similar, at least on the face of it to what happened to air france 447 and you don't like to see the crash being repeated. >> so what would it have felt like for passengers in the stall in at least three minutes went by from the warning to the plane hit the water. >> well, we don't know and we won't know until we get the flight data recorder but you can imagine the aircraft being in a nose high position, the crew trying to put the nose over but having to manually trim the horizon tal stable easer, something they're not accustomed to doing. reaching terminal velocity. it would be horrifying. >> it would be horrifying. thank you, miles. next jeanne moos on the other story of the day. everybody is talking about this. we've got some answers.
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money and power, a lot of pig skin in the game. so super bowl 49 is 11 days away. those people who make balls working to get 120 game time football stamped for game day. it's $18,000 worth of footballs. never in the nfl has so much been riding on the actual ball. cnn sports learned the league is investigating the possibility that the new england patriots intentionally deflated their game time footballs during the afc championship but is deflate gate frankly just a lot of hot air? here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: a lack of air in footballs hasn't resulted in a lack of air time. >> deflate gate. >> deflate gate. >> deflated balls.
>> deflate gate. >> reporter: spawning everything from cookies to cartoons this mimicking salvador dali's time pieces. balls underinflated, just inflated the controversy. >> 11 out of 12 they should say you're not the winners. the other guys go to the super bowl. >> reporter: some bad judgment in tweets breakfast of chumps and this is what the patriots are playing for, deflated super bowl trophy. deflate gate was a gift to late night comics. >> they've been using deflated balls for quite a while. take a look. >> reporter: even the vice president was asked his opinion. >> hadn't been a receiver i like a softer ball. that's all i can tell you. >> reporter: men and women succumb to attacks of the giggles. >> patriots responds about their balls. >> reporter: of course a couple
of companies ran with the ball. krispy kreme noted ours are fully filled. notice what i'm not holding, i mention this because i feel like i'm one of the only ones not holding one today or even two. >> this is a less inflated one than that ball. >> yeah a little bit. see that? >> this you can see -- >> i have very small hands. >> oh my god. it makes a difference. >> reporter: not since mr. whipple. >> mr. whiples, please don't squeeze the sharmarn. >> reporter: suggested to fondling. if only the patriots listened to the little rascals. quarterback tom brady wouldn't be trying to laugh off softball questions. >> care to weigh in on that in. >>| i think i've heard it all at this point. >> reporter: jeanne moos cnn, new york. >> here's a thing i don't get about it. if they're guilty of the deflating, they get a draft pick and a hefty fine but the game
doesn't be replayed. i don't get why it's a big deal. sorry. thank you so much for joining us. be sure to set your dvr to record "outfront" anytime. "ac360" begins right now. thank you for joining us. a lot happening the last several hours including word of a decision on federal charge darren wilson in the case of michael brown. first, the message of al qaeda in yemen. a message to foot shoulders in the west telling them to stay home, stay home and kill like the rampage in paris. pamela brown has laid developments. she joins us from paris. first, nick payton walsh. from the spokesman, he talks about terror attacks aimed at the u.s. exactly what did he say? >> reporter: well what's so troubling about this is he basically appeals to tho