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shocking new video of an attack in tel aviv. bus passengers run for their lives as they are chased by a terrorist. the surprises by the state of the union. whose moment is this? the new republican congress or has the president seized the initiative? is it now the super bowl of cheating? new information on whether the patriots broke the rules on the way to the big game and what
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does the nfl do about this now? hello, everyone. i'm john berman. new this morning, al qaeda militants may be strengthen their base in yemen as that country's government teeters on the brink of collapse. shiite rebels stormed the presidential palace attempting a coup against this critical u.s. ally. the crisis is troubling to the west because yemen is the home of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the group behind a number of attacks including apparently the "charlie hebdo" siege in paris just two weeks ago and there are concerns about the safety of u.s. embassy personnel in yemen at this moment. meanwhile, shocking numbers from france. the prime minister there says there are 3,000 people with jihadist ties in france. 3,000 people who need to be under surveillance. the government now boosting its fight against homegrown terror
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by adding thousands more security forces and also they say better guns. and dramatic new video just into cnn shows a terrorist attack in israel. a palestinian man seen chasing victims as they run from a bus in tel aviv. the man just stabbed nine passengers on that bus. police did shoot the stabber. our global affairs correspondent elise labott joins us now from jerusalem. give us the details here. >> reporter: we're talking about a 23-year-old palestinian man who stabbed the driver first and then started stabbing other passengers. the driver veered that bus, which is really in the central part of tel aviv during rush hour. he opened the doors. that terrorist ran out. started attacking other people. you can see this very dramatic video of this palestinian man looking for a victim. stabbing a woman as she fell to the ground.
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now, two israeli prison authority guards were on duty making an escort and they saw what was going on. they started running after this palestinian man. shot him in the leg. cuffed him and police arrested him and interrogated him and he's in the hospital in israeli custody, john. >> hamas controls gaza. what is hamas saying about this terror attack? >> reporter: well there's no indication at all that hamas was involved in this attack. it looks like we're talking about a lone wolf attack but hamas praised this attack says this is israeli punishment for treatment of palestinians and to that point, israeli prime minister netanyahu said it's this incitement against israel and not just in israel itself but the anti-semitism you see around the world in paris last week for instance is what inspires palestinians to go after israelis in these type of
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attacks. >> elise labott, thank you so much. benjamin netanyahu is making big news in washington today. news that the prime minister will address a joint session of congress next month. he was invited by house speaker john boehner to come to speak to congress about iran. this comes as congressional leaders consider a proposal to increase sanctions against this country, something the president said he will veto. congress stands in opposition to the president. so does prime minister benjamin netanyahu. this speech here the fact of it a very interesting development. meanwhile, all eyes on yemen right now because the battle against al qaeda could become even more complicated there if militants overthrow the u.s. backed government. at this moment we are told that yemen's president is still in power. that's tenuous at best. rebels have been in control of the capital sanaa for days so this critical u.s. ally sits on saudi arabia's doorstep and is on the brink of collapse with
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u.s. personnel there inside the u.s. embassy. i want to bring in jim sciutto. how concerned are u.s. officials about the safety of americans in yemen right now? >> reporter: very concerned. you can tell that by the steps they have made to evacuate them if needed. you have two navy warships off the coast to carry off an evacuation by helicopter if necessary. the preference if they come to that judgment is they drive to the airport and fly out commercially. in a pinch if the situation deteriorated so quickly and roads became so dangerous, they have a military evacuation plan. to be clear, they haven't made that judgment yet. they wouldn't line up these resources now unless they wanted to be prepared for that. >> there's the issue of the threat to americans in that
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country right now and a threat to america to what happens in yemen if it continues to descend. >> terror groups thrive off mayhem. you think of the number of count countries in that category right now. you have somalia. yemen. a failed state in many parts of the country. aqap thrives there. al qaeda thrived in afghanistan pre- 9/11. failed states, they attract them. yemen has gotten worse. the group that's advancing on the capital, the houthies they are against aqap but let's be frank, a terror group will benefit when you have a government that's not able to control the country and the government there that's being pushed back by this advance has been a big ally in the u.s. in fighting against al qaeda. >> let me ask you about iran and
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israel. benjamin netanyahu coming to the united states to address congress on the issue of sanctions to iran which he supports. he would like to see greater sanctions and see no negotiations on this nuclear issue. the republicans and some democrats in congress agree with him. what's the significance of his trip to the u.s. congress? >> it's a pretty big bully pulpit for those in israel and israeli prime minister being one of the most vocal critics of a nuclear deal with iran but many republicans and democrats, robert menendez and members of congress who be against this at a sensitive time in negotiations with iran. you had secretary of state john kerry and iranian foreign minister in paris when we were there last friday and they met and they met a couple days before. some signs of progress in those talks. it's coming to a critical time. meanwhile, you have these very public voices and trust me, when the israeli prime minister speaks before congress he'll make a very strong and spirited
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case against concessions to iran. this debate is not over. >> jim sciutto for us. thanks so much for being with us. i really appreciate it. the republicans may have dominated the midterm elections and seized control from the democrats but you really would hardly know it from president obama's state of the union address. the president declared victory over the economic crisis. he tauted the end of the ground wars overseas and trumpeted his veto power over any challenge to obamacare and he even needled the majority party that was sitting right before him. >> i have no more campaigns to run. [ applause ] my only agenda -- i know because i won both of them. with a growing economy, shrinking deficits bustling industry booming energy production we have risen from recession freer to write our own future than any other nation on
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earth. america, for all that we have endured, for all of the grit and hard work required to come back for all of the tasks that lie ahead, know this. the shadow of crisis has passed. the state of the union is strong. [ applause ] >> the president laid out what he called his plan to help the middle class over his final two years in office. in a few minutes, we'll find out what conservatives think about these proposals. this morning there is a major controversy brewing in the nfl. questions about whether a team headed to the super bowl broke the rules. it happens to be my team. the new england patriots. espn reports the nfl has determined the patriots used footballs that simply did not have enough air in them when patriots won the afc championship game sunday night. a deflated ball could be easier to grip easier to throw, easier to catch. did the patriots deflate these footballs intentionally? if they did, there is a word for
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it. cheating. and the patriots cheated if they did it on purpose and with 11 out of 12 balls below league regulations, it's difficult to see how they did not do it on purpose. i'm hoping from some kind of miraculous weather move forced it to happen. we'll see. what's my reaction to this if they did cheat? blank them and shame on me. seriously. shame on me. at this point in my life i do just about three things. i anchor at cnn. i help raise twin 7-year-old boys and i root for boston sports team. if i'm honest the one i'm best at is number three. now the patriots are making me regret all of my vast accomplishments in that area. how can you root for a cheater? how can you cheer a con? you can't. at least you shouldn't. so what are we all supposed to do with our tom brady jerseys or what do we tell our kids to do? all of a sudden tom brady doesn't look quite as handsome
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today. do i want the patriots to lose? no. i'm not wired that way. i feel very very badly about that it. that's why i'm ashamed this morning. i have many more thoughts on this. go to for my take. we'll have much more on my crisis and more importantly what the nfl is going to do about it a bit later. next for us the biggest surprise from the state of the union and the biggest gripes this morning from republicans. and putting thousands under surveillance. dramatic new measures to keep people safe in france. (son) oh no... can you fix it, dad? yeah, i can fix that. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything. i fixed it! (dad) that's why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg. i gotta break more toys. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru legacy. it's not just a sedan. it's a subaru.
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israel benjamin netanyahu, to come to washington to speak before congress on february 11th about the issue of iran. the prime minister of israel and speaker john boehner agree that the united states should have harsher sanctions against iran. they do not like the path of u.s. negotiations nuclear negotiations with iran right now. it will be a very interesting speech. just a short time ago, our senior congressional correspondent dana bash caught up with the house speaker. what did he tell you? >> reporter: this really is -- we're not sure if unprecedented is too far down the road. this is something that almost never happens. a break with protocol. the speaker of the house inviting a world leader somebody who is the head of a state that is one of the u.s.'s biggest allies without talking to the white house about it. there is a very specific reason because they so strongly lyly disagree on the republican side and even some democrats with the way the white house is going forward with negotiations diplomatic talks, to end iran's
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nuclear program. here's what i asked the house speaker. >> did you consult with the white house before inviting prime minister netanyahu, and secondly is this just a way to sort of poke the president in the eye on an issue like iran where you know he very much opposes what you want to do? >> i did not consult with the white house. the congress can make this decision on its own. i don't believe i'm poking anyone in the eye. there's a serious threat that exists in the world and the president last night kind of papered over it. the fact is that there needs to be a more serious conversation in america about how serious the threat is. >> reporter: we have more information on how this came about. we were told by a republican source this has been in the works for weeks. having benjamin netanyahu come here and address the congress
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well before the president said privately and publicly with had new congress that they should not do anything with sanctions and pleaded them among democrats last week not to do so. the other thing we can tell you is they didn't consult but we are told by administration source and also now republicans that the speaker placed a phone call this morning to inform the white house that he invited the israeli prime minister and leading up to this john there will be hearings and likely some votes about these iran sanctions pushing forward on sanctions ahead of benjamin netanyahu coming and likely saying he supports what republicans are doing and opposes the president. >> very interesting to see what tone the prime minister takes and how it affects the relationship between u.s. and israel and not to mention the relationship between the president and congress. dana bash thank you so much. on the subject of that latter relationship this morning here's a question. have we turned the page in this country? that's what the president said in his state of the union
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address last night. he didn't say it he declared it and boasted about it and dared republicans to dispute it. when people say he was defiant, listen to what he said about the minimum wage. >> everyone in this congress who still refuses to raise the minimum wage i say this. if you truly believe you can work full time and support a family on less than $15,000 a year try it. if not, vote to give millions of the hardest working people in america a raise. >> in addition to talking about minimum wage he directed most of his speech about issues concerning the middle class. he proposed child care tax breaks free community college, increasing the capital gains tax to pay for some of this but there's not much if any chance really no chance at all, that any of this will get through the republican congress which is interesting. now the president takes this message on the road primarily to red states over the next few days visiting kansas and ohio.
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joining me to discuss this former counsel to president reagan and author of "hidden in plain sight" and grover norquist. grover let me start with you. let me start with the victory lap the president was trying to take last night. he made mention of the fact the stock market has doubled. unemployment is way down. gas prices are way down. that 10 million people who didn't have health insurance now do have health insurance. he went on to say to the crowd there, this is a good thing. isn't all of that a good thing, grover? >> well i thought the speech was rather callouse. growth is so poor growing at 2% a year. when reagan came out of his recession, you had 4.4% growth. if we had reagan growth instead of obama's growth at 2% we
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would have 10 million more americans at work. there are 10 million americans who don't have jobs and the president couldn't care less about them and didn't have anything to say about the fact that this recovery is so poor and so bad that the unemployment statistics one of them is better. why? because people are so in bad shape they quit looking. the workforce participation rate is at historic lows. jimmy carter's malaise is the last time it was this good. why should people be happy? people who don't have jobs because of his policies be anything but angry that he wasted an entire speech about a wish list of tax increases that are never going to happen and that if he wanted to do he could have done six years ago. he didn't. he played politics and there are people hurting in this country who don't have jobs who would love to be in middle class but president's policies have let them down.
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>> peter, i think both you and grover come at this from the same side. we'll try to push the other side to make this discussion interesting. americans are right now giving the president a higher approval rating than they had given in a long long time. consumer confidence is higher than it's been in a long long time. there are a lot of people who wish things were better but for the first time there seemed to be data shows things are getting better. do you think that's the case? >> yes. things are getting better. the question has always been why did it take so long for things to get better? this has been the slowest recovery since the mid '60s. it's taken six years to recover basically where we were in 2008 2007. so what we have to do is look for the reasons that we had this financial crisis in 2000 2008 and then why the recovery has been so slow afterward.
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the reason for the second question why has it been so slow afterward is clear. we had two major pieces of legislation, one was obamacare, which had a major affect on the kinds of jobs that people have. these are part-time jobs instead of full-time jobs. and secondly the dodd-frank act has imposed tremendous regulation on the financial system and has caused banks and others to pull back on any kind of risk taking which means that it's very hard for new businesses to start. we have the slowest rate of new business starting in history. we're in a state now where we have to make major changes in our economic and financial policies and regulatory policies in order to restart this economy. >> i appreciate you being with me. opposing views to the president's speech last night to be sure. thank you, gentlemen. a key u.s. ally in the war on terror may be falling now in
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violence exploding in the capital of a critical u.s. ally. france announces measures to stop a repeat of the terror attacks in paris and 3,000 tabs on people in the country who have ties to jihadist. it's not clear who has control in yemen right now. rebel fighters have taken up positions outside of the president's home. an official says the president insists he's still in charge.
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i want to talk about the latest developments with cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank. what caught my eye was this video obtained by cnn from france. it shows amedy coulibaly along with his girlfriend hayat boumeddiene, casing the place. >> it's extraordinary. this was last summer. this was six months at least before the attack suggesting they had been thinking about this for some time. that's the period when the surveillance ends on the kouachi brothers in and around june of last year. so one of the theories is when that surveillance ends on the kouachi brothers that they start this plot that they are conspireing together to some degree that kouachi brothers bring coulibaly into this. interesting again that it's outside a jewish site in paris
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given the fact that he launched an attack on the jewish grocery store. >> appeared to be looking at a jewish school also. >> absolutely. french female police officer that was shot dead in southern paris, that was just 100 yards or so away from a jewish school. so a lot of concern that that could have been the target that day. >> so the french prime minister says there are as many as 3,000 would-be jihadists in france right now they would like to surveil. can you do that? when you see this video of coulibaly and boumeddiene, it makes you think someone should have been watching them but can you watch that many people? >> you can't do it 24/7 around the clock for that many people. they are increasing dollars. 3,000 new hires including 1,000 people in the intelligence services. they're going to try to monitor people more extensively as they can. you cannot monitor all of these people 24/7.
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that's absolutely impossible to do. the fear is always that some people slip through the cracks and you have every week every month, you have to attach priority to who you're going to go after and that's more an art than a science. >> based on conversations you're having with officials, do they feel they are getting ahead of any current plots? do they fear there are other things to hatch in belgium, in france for instance? >> they tell me that it's the time of unprecedented threat especially because they now sense that isis is pivoting toward launching attacks in europe. specifically against the countries involved in air strikes in iraq which is the u.k. and france and belgium and denmark and holland. also other european countries which are seen as part of this anti-isis coalition. a lot of concern about this. more than 500 people have come back to europe from syria in iraq. many people trained killers. there is concern they could get weapons. we've seen in these past how
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easy it is to get ahold of sophisticated heavy weapons and concern that we could see more plots in the weeks and months ahead. >> the fight goes on. the work goes on. paul cruickshank, i appreciate it. thanks so much. so true nfl scandal next. it involves the afc champion new england patriots. reports say they cheated perhaps on their way to the super bowl. what is the nfl going to do about this? you just got a big bump in miles. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading it's your entire operations, from domestic to international... which means you need help from a whole team of advisors. from workforce strategies to tech solutions and a thousand other things. so you call pwc. the right people to get the extraordinary done. ♪ ♪
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happening now, a major controversy brewing in the nfl as we head into the super bowl. the biggest sporting event of the year of any year. new england patriots, afc champions, did they cheat on their way to the super bowl? the nfl according to espn found that 11 of the 12 footballs that the team used in sunday's blowout win against the colts, 11 out of 12 were underinflated. they did not have enough air. that's a violation of league rules. why are two pounds per square inch of air missing from a football a big deal? well because a deflated ball is easier to throw. it's easier to catch. easier to hold onto especially during rainy weather and it was pouring at times during sunday's game in foxborough. espn is reporting that the nfl is angry and dean distraught
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about this. patriots head coach bill belichick said he didn't know about balls being deflated and the team is cooperating with the investigation. i want to talk about all this and issues involved. cory wire played nine years in the nfl. he played defense against tom brady and patriots for much of his career. never an easy thing to do. now a fox sport analyst. let's talk first of all, what kind of advantage does a deflated ball give a team a quarterback? >> well john you hit it right on the head. deflation allows the quarterback to grip it better and allows the receivers to get a better grip on the ball and best way i can put it would be to liken it to catching inging a nerf football opposed to a fully inflated leather football. i talked to a couple of former pro bowl receivers and elite receivers in this league that caught a lot of passes said it would make a bit of a difference. probably not as much as people would think it would. bottom line is that the patriots and their head coach, bill belichick, once again involved in a scandal that involves
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cheating bending the rules. this would be a blatant rule violation. it says right there. 12.5 to 13.5 pounds per square inch like you said. to have them underinflated would be blatantly violating those rules. >> let's run down a couple of facts here. people have these questions. first of all, people say, well if the balls didn't have enough air, the colts would benefit from that too. not so. >> that's right. each team gets their own footballs. 12 of them that are submitted about 2 1/2 hours before kickoff. the officials will then inspect them and weigh them and they'll remain under supervision until kickoff. at that point then they do go into the equipment manager of that team's hands. so the thing here is did belichick know about it? was it a rogue equipment manager who knew that his team his quarterbacks his wide receivers, would have an advantage in the balls were slightly deflated. a couple years ago, a fine by
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the pac 12 conference because they were found to deflate footballs to get a competitive advantage. kiffin in that situation, lane kiffin the head coach, said he didn't know about it. the equipment manager did it under his own accord without kiffin's consent. that could be the case here and the nfl is looking into exactly how this all came about. to your point, 11 of the 12. doesn't seem like it was an accident. we'll see how this thing all comes out. the nfl likely won't make a decision until after the super bowl as far as any sort of fines or penalties that may happen. >> i cannot imagine they will wait until then coy. they can't wait ten more days to come up with some kind of statement, some kind of sanction if it's found that anyone involved with patriots organization did this deliberately. some people wonder whether weather could do it. if it's cold for instance, will that take some of the pressure out of the balls. neither you or i are scientists but my sense is maybe a little bit but 11 out of 12 and that
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much unlikely. >> yeah. it's a great point, john. we know it happens. in our car's tires, it can happen in cold weather. i will say that it is not uncommon for some footballs to be pulled during a game whether from deflation or if it gets scuffed. it does happen. 11 of the 12 is a lot. it does seem like there was tampering here. now, the league's football operations manual says if any person and if applicable the head coach is found responsible for underinflating the footballs, there's a fine. it's not limited to $25,000. now, in this case i think goodell with what happened with spygate several years ago in 2007, they will be who are harsh. >> it's interesting, people wondering if it would have made a difference in the game. score was 45-7. scored most of the points early
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on the ground. >> i think colts would have put stick them on their hands and had a great advantage and it wouldn't have made a difference. patriots were dominant. we'll watch them go up against a tough team in the seahawks in the super bowl in a couple weeks in arizona. >> whether it would have helped or not, cheating is wrong period. if it turns out someone did, the nfl will have to say something and soon. coy wire great to have you with us. really appreciate it. >> coming up next the question about the state of the union address. in the state of the union address, is taunting allowed? >> i have no more campaigns to run. my only agenda -- [ applause ] -- i know because i won both of them. >> president clearly on offense next. before larry instantly transferred money from his bank of america savings account to his merrill edge retirement account. before he opened his first hot chocolate stand calling winter an "underserved season".
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this morning marks the first day of barack obama's presidency. the tone from last night signals a change of attitude. it was a lot like a victory lap. that's the message he tried to send. the president basically saying he did what he promised in his 2009 inauguration speech. >> starting today, we must pick ourselves up dust ourselves off and begin again the work of remaking america. >> 15 years into this new century, we have picked ourselves up. dusted ourselves off and begun again the work of remaking america. we've laid a new foundation. a brighter future is ours to write. let's begin this new chapter together. let's start the work right now. >> we picked ourselves up. we dusted ourselves up. so did we?
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let's bring in our political commentator donna brazile and we have doug with us as well. donna, what did you make of that speech? he's not done yet. he said look we did it. >> second to the last state of the union address. what the president was saying i believe, is that we have weathered a huge financial storm. a storm that many of us understood at the time that would cost jobs foreclosures it has really -- it was a very big storm we had to overcome. what the president said is now that the storm is passing, wall street is rebounding banks are rebounding it's time that main street middle class americans start to feel this recovery. that's the page the president referred to last night when he said that we've come a long way. >> doug do republicans think the president and the country
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have turned the page and is this the type of speech that republicans on the hill were expecting from a president whose party just lost complete control of congress? >> given how the president has behaved since the election with the cuban announcement and immigration announcement it's not a surprise to republicans. we look at where household income was, $2,000 less than when the president took office. we look at the unemployment participation rate and how many americans have left the workforce and this isn't just about numbers. it's about real people who have given up that word of hope. we know we're not there yet. this is exactly what we expected from the president. we talk so much about how republicans have gotten more conservative and democrats got more liberal. the president signaled for the next two years and for 2016 the democratic party is moving left. >> is there a risk by saying we did it. is there a risk when there are still people suffering and people still out there who have left the workforce? >> we know the top 1% is doing
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very very well but bottom 99% need help. what the president last night signaled is he has policies something that the republicans are void of. it's not about the democrats going left right in the middle. we're going forward. forward to make sure that we have an economy for the 21st century, that we have a skilled workforce, that we're able to help those who are still struggling to look for jobs. 11 consecutive months of job growth over 200,000. the problem with republicans is they can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. they want to continue to block progress the president is trying to make. >> doug when you hear the president toward the end of his speech talking about the fact that he has no more elections to win and then republicans cheered and he said because i won them both you know is that a message that republicans -- do you just laugh that off or do you take offense? >> it was obviously a great line by the president set up by a
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couple of republicans who probably shouldn't have been clapping. ultimately we also talked -- the president talked about how we need new politics. dnc, the president's campaign arm today, put out a press release saying wtf to priebus. they are better than this. they smarter than this. john boehner's office mitch mcconnell's office wouldn't put out personal attacks like that. we should focus on policy differences and where we come to agreement and there are areas that republicans will work with the president. >> we should have put out omg, oh my god the official republican response didn't include immigration reform. it should have been omg. we need to stop politics of demeaning one another. we need to find areas where we agree whether cybersecurity, which is a very important issue, tax reform very important issue. there are so many issues that we
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can find common ground and i'm glad that paul ryan said get rid of rhetoric. let's look at substance and focus on substance and not just superficial. >> i have to say lol to the both of you. i have to wrap up or i'll get in trouble. thanks for being here. appreciate it. what makes a person decide to turn to islamic fundamentalism? we'll hear from someone who knows firsthand coming up next. .
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new questions about what drives some young men and, yes, some women to terror. why does someone become a fundamentalist? ed hussein has been there and left the fold. he's now a senior adviser to the tony blair faith foundation and joins us from london. you wrote a book and inside you say, thousands of young men and women believe their cause is worth dying for and they want to have that honor, confident in the reward they will get for their actions. they are disillusioned, not disenfranchised. many are well-educated with a good family life but they seek a value that they can fight for, a cause for which they can die.
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i think a lot of people will be surprised by that. there's this notion that it's people on the fringes of society who would be most attracted to fundamentalism. >> that's a good question, john. that perception exists because we don't understand why people going islamist extremist groups. whether it's osama bin laden who game from a multimillion-dollar construction industry in saudi arabia whether it's zawahiri who came from a prestigious medical family or al baghdadi who comes from a educated arabic family. what we don't understand is this is not about madness or people who are crazy but people who are by and large very educated very thoughtful and reflect on the state of the world. now, on that reflection i believe, they come to the wrong conclusions, rather than believe in creating change through peaceful means, after all martin luther king and gandhi and
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nelson mandela were not terrorists unlike those terrorists. the conclusion comes through violence and force that they're going to change the world. now what we're seeing is that conclusion is invalid, whether it's the drone attacks coming down on them in afghanistan. that conclusion is invalid. what's attractive is the belief that they can become important and relevant in the global media space by spilling more blood. and isis' calculation that by beheadings and killings that they command the attention of the world is playing out. so yes, we can criticize them for their extremism and terrorism and sadly what bleeds leads in the news stream we have to understand the sense of isolation they feel especially in european countries, less in
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american countries. the exclusion from the wider social space that leads them to becoming vulnerable to meeting those who give them a sense of worth and belonging and purpose. >> how do you get these people out if they're making a theological decision a rational educated decision -- not that i think it's rational or educated -- how do you convince someone to get out? you got out. >> by using the best of religion to defeat the worst of religion. i don't mean that as cliche. i mean it in the genuine sense that when i was involved with extremist organizations, my parents were opposed to me my family members, wider family members were opposed to me. my local mosque was opposed to me. the vast majority of muslims that i met were opposed to me. it's still the case today that extremists find they're supposed to be defending islam and muslims but what's often the case is the very people they're supposed to be standing up for
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oppose them, dislike, disagree with them. that's where the strength lies. demanding the best of the koran the best of the prophet's like to inject doubt in the mind of the extremist who has the totalitarian outlook that believes they are dying for a pathway that leads to heaven. the message ought to come from muslims and muslim scholars that they are murderers and not martyrs and that they're going to hell and not heaven. we will not see them be doubtful and turn away from the violent pathway they've chosen. >> i appreciate your message on that hoping that message gets out everywhere around the world. that's it for us today. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts after a quick break. your credit is in pretty good shape. >>pretty good? i know i have a 798 fico score thanks to the tools and help on kaboom... well, i just have a few other questions.
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hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin this hour with terror in tel aviv. a young palestinian with a knife attacks israelis on a crowded bus at rush hour. i'll show you some video from outside of the bus before the attacker is actually shot in the leg by police and his rampage is stopped. what you're going to see is a woman being