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the dolls resemble little girls who lived in the homes. the parents were upset. it turns out all is well. they were left as a gift or gifts by a woman who attends a church with those families. that's it for us tonight. i'm don lemon. thanks for watching. have a great weekend. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. there is a lot happening tonight there is breaking news from the war between israel and hamas. a pause in the fighting, but only a pause. also, our first access to the wreckage of that airliner that went down in north africa and the role weather may have played in that crash. we begin, though, with video that raises all kinds of questions about post-9/11 airline security and raise as chill for anyone planning their next trip, because it's terrifying. as you watch this, understand it is not a drill. >> heads down, hands up! heads down, hands up! heads down, hands up! >> heads down, hands up! >> heads down, hands up!
show me all your hands, hands up, heads down! heads down! heads down, hands up! heads down, heads down! >> this is what passengers aboard sunwing flight 772 from toronto to panama city heard after a truncated flight that included threats, a fighter escort, and what you just witnessed. pamela brown has all the latest. she joins us now. so what we do know? what happened here? >> as we saw, anderson, it was a chaotic scene moments caught on a passenger's cell phone as a s.w.a.t. team stormed a canadian airliner that returned to toronto after what the airline told us was, quote, a agitated passenger who threatened in the plane. the sunwing flight was only 40 minutes into its flight from toronto to panama city when one passenger made what the airline said was a direct threat against the aircraft. we listen to air traffic control audio. it appears it was a bomb threat. so the plane turned around as is the procedure, and two u.s. military jets already in the air were dispatched by norad to
escort it back to toronto's airport where it made an emergency landing. and that's where the security team stormed the plane, anderson. they arrested a 25-year-old male, a canadian citizen who remains in custody with police tonight. he'll have a bail hearing tomorrow. the plane was searched and nothing was located. there were no injuries or damage. the passengers got to fly out on another plane. but as you can imagine, they are still very shaken up from that experience. anderson? >> and what is the passenger that made the threats charged with? are there actual threats i'm going to bomb this plane. i thought they were more oblique like i don't like canada. i wish i could bomb canada. >> authorities aren't givens specifics, but we did listen to air traffic control audio, and they indicate he was making a bomb threat, but nothing more than that. we learned that he is actually facing four charges, anderson. he is charged with endangering the safety of an aircraft, mischief to property, mischief, interfering with the lawful enjoyment of property and uttering threats. and also his father spoke to a
canadian news network and said that his son suffered from mental health issues. so that could have played a role. but again, he'll have his bail hearing tomorrow. so we'll be keeping an eye on it. >> scary moments. pamela brown, thanks. the story raise as lot of questions. i want to get answers now from aviation analyst miles o'brien and aviation safety analyst david souse it is. miles, let's start with you. i want to show that video again. this is taken once the plane landed back in canada after being escorted by u.s. fighter jets back to -- back to toronto. and then the plane was stormed. >> heads down, hands up! heads down, hands up! heads down, hands up. >> heads down, hands up! let me see your hands! >> heads down, hands up! >> what is the protocol in this kind of situation? >> patiently, that's the rcmp, royal canadian mounted police protocol. it looks a little excessive to me, frankly, anderson, given all that had happened. i can only say aye assume that if they flew 45 minutes back,
that the passenger who made that threat had been neutralized in some fashion, had been handcuffed with zip ties, maybe a couple of hockey players on board to take care of him. whatever the case may be. otherwise you would think that the pilot would have put that plane down in pittsburgh or cincinnati. having said that, given, you know, just the overall tensions in the aviation world and stretching everything back to 9/11, this is the hair trigger feelings we all have about flying right now. and that kind of manifests in that scene with the swat team coming on board. >> and david, i mean, the plane, as miles says, it was over west virginia apparently. and when it turned around, does it make sense -- and then starts to be escorted by u.s. fighter jets. does it make sense it went all the way back to canada? >> first at this point, they penetrated the air defense zone. >> the adiz. that aircraft, until it's proven is not a threat is a threat to the united states. so to land at philadelphia, land at cincinnati, the risk mitigation protocol for that
would be to say how many losts would be lost if it did that if it really was a bomb. >> you're saying under the protocol, they wouldn't land at a major city. >> no. >> just because in the event there was some sort of an incident. >> why risk thousands of lives on a poem bomb situation, although it does put the people on board the aircraft at risk, additional risk, because they're in the air longer. >> also, they did fly back, wasn't it to toronto? >> they did. because they had to get away from the adiz. they had to get back out of the country. >> the adiz? >> the air defense identification zone, which is our defense border around the united states. so they consider it a threat. they consider it a violation or a breach at that point. because it has an identified threat. >> as far as the u.s. was concerned, they just wanted it out of u.s. airspace? >> well, they needed to get back where it had to be so they could control it from the country of origin. and that's what had to be dealt with at that point. >> couldn't it have been landed at a small regional airport somewhere? >> possibly, if that was what they decided to do. but i just want to make the point it was not the pilot's
decision. when you're escorted by jets, you go exactly where they tell you to go. you don't mess with it. and that defense was made by the air defense command, not by the pilot. >> miles have, you ever seen a plane like that actually being stormed? we've all seen training exercises where they do it, and we've seen it with u.s. air marshals in training exercises. but clearly they felt there might be a real threat there. >> i guess that you have to operate with that presumption in this day and age. and that tells you a lot about how flying has changed for all of us. i think it's worth remembering here that clearly, any captain, any pilot, they thought there was an immediate threat to that aircraft. i would submit to you they would put it on the ground. they could declare an emergency and put tonight ground, period. so i'm going to assume that this threat, one way or another, had been neutralized by passengers. and i think it's worth pointing out from shanksville, pennsylvania, the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber and a number of other instance, passengers have really taken up the last line of defense in
aviation these days. >> yeah. >> they're attuned to the threat, and they're not going to sit by and let these kinds of things happen. it's an unsung hero in the process. >> where is it, david, in your experience for law enforcement to board and aircraft like this. >> to what? >> to board an aircraft like this. have you heard? >> oh, yeah. every time there is the suspicion on board that aircraft. >> it's just because it was caught on video makes it so startling. >> absolutely. the same thing happened when one of the pilots went out of control not too long ago. it was stormed with s.w.a.t. but with agents. the s.w.a.t., that isn't something i'm familiar with, but others are. >> interesting of, david, miles, thank you very much. we're going to come back to them shortly because there are other developments. so much aviation stories right now. we go to mali right now and the crash site of air algerie. it is a stark contrast to the scene in ukraine, which we'll also bring to you.
french forces have secured the debris field already. a helicopter located the wreckage near the board were burkina faso, all within 24 hours of the crash. as with flight 17, no survivors. an airline official said 116 people were on board. tonight there is still no definitive word what brought the plane down. the bad weather is a prime suspect right now. joe johns brings us up to date. what are we learning? >> the first pictures from the scene basically show a field of debris. the authorities are saying it's so bad, it's going to be difficult to try to reconstitute the bodies, human remains scattered all over the place. to preserve the evidence, there are military units from france and mali as well, trying to restrict access to the area. but when you look at this, it seems like there is not a lot to work with for investigators as they try to determine the identities of the victims, what caused the crash. but there is still confidence on the ground that they are going to be able to figure it out. >> and france's president i understand, joe, spoke about the situation. what did he say?
>> well, he said the plane's debris field is concentrated in a limited area, but it's still too early to draw any conclusions. but that the information is going to come in time. he said there are some theories, including weather conditions as a cause. but they're not putting anything aside, because they want to find out exactly what happened. and there are, of course, some open questions, especially that question of whether an act of terror was responsible. frankly, though, the authorities are skeptical that islamist rebels in the vicinity actually had the technology to bring down a plane at a high altitude. meanwhile, the families of the victims are still trying to get some details. >> yeah, of course. joe johns, thank you very much. as we reported, air algerie disappeared after changing its flight path because of bad weather. fierce thunderstorms were pounding the region at that time. that time of the world this time of year that is not unusual. miguel marquez has more on that. >> reporter: flying into any storm can be a bumpy white knuckling experience. but flying into bad weather near the equator can be a nightmare,
known as the intertropical convergence zone, a band of unsettled weather around the earth's equator where some of the most ferocious storms can develop. you've flown in a lot of storms. >> i've flown in more storms than i'd like to. >> and what is it like to fly into a serious thunderstorm? >> well, it can be anything from, you know, mr. toad's wild right to the most harrowing experience you can imagine that you don't think you're going to get through it. >> reporter: it's saharan africa. powerful sand storms are the product of that intertropical convergence zone, a challenge for any pilot. this pilot coming in for a landing goes directly into the storm. you can hear the engines rev as the plane enters the stand storm. the sky turns red, visibility zero. weather is suspected as the cause or contributing factor in the crash of air algerie flight 5017. there was trouble on the radar, a massive thunderstorm moving
right through 5017's flight path. the 18-year-old mcdonnell douglas aircraft departed burkina faso's ouagadougou airport at 1:17 p.m. on the way to algeria's capital. to get there it had to cross the ittz, the band of unpredictable weather around the world's equator where terrible weather can develop. flight 5017 asked if it could change routes. the plane made its way east and then north again. last contact, 17 minutes later near gao, mali. just maybe an eerie similar to air france flight 447. 228 people on borden route from rio de janeiro to paris on june 1, 2009. pilots on the airbus 330 were flying through an enormous storm spawned by the intertropical convergence zone. >> if you fly underneath, that that could be some of the most dangerous parts of the thunderstorm. >> reporter: intense winds
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new and troubling news tonight from the war zone where a missile brought down malaysia flight 17. even as the netherlands, which lost so many people on the flight are pressing to send their own police and experts to the scene, the pro-russian rebels that control the crash site say they're getting tired of any investigation there, period. if that weren't enough, there is word that russia is sending them more weapons and shelling the area from russian soil. barbara starr has more on that now. she joins us from the pentagon. what do we know about the russian weaponry?
>> good evening, anderson. well, the shelling from the russian side into ukraine continues into g according to u.s. officials. and now today the u.s. says it has intelligence that shows russia is about to send additional heavy weapons into ukraine, into the separatist held area. this is going to be something called 220 millimeter multiple launch rocket systems. heavy weapons with large warheads. they could go about 20 miles. this is going to give the separatists once they get their hands on it from the russians the ability to escalate the ground war once again. and as always, it is very likely it's going to be the citizens, the civilians of eastern ukraine that may pay the price and get caught in the crossfire. >> from the pentagon perspective, how much of an explanation is this? >> well, the pentagon today said they do consider this a definite military escalation by russia. and it's really the unanswered question. what is vladimir putin up to. how far is he willing to go? he's got 15,000 troops on that
border, firing from both sides essentially. the question is, you know, is he going to respond to the sanctions that the west and the u.s. is putting on him? is this all going to cost him too much that he will ratchet back. no indication that putin is about to respond to the sanctions. and that is the only strategy so far. anderson? >> all right, barbara starr, thanks for the update. more now on the crash site itself. we've all been astonished to learn this past week resembles little anyone has ever seen. international monitors say they have had easy access to the fields of wreckage and almost certainly more human remains. the problem, there is also easy access to just about anyone, whether they belong there or not. ivan watson has been there. he he is in donetsk for us tonight. ivan, more than week after mh17 is shot down, the site is still not secure, still controlled by the rebels. i just heard shelling behind you. is there a sense of when this is going to happen, when this site might actually get investigated? >> well, the international
monitors from the osce have been going day after day to the site. they were accompanied by australian and dutch experts, less than a dozen in all. on today's visit. they say that they uncovered some new debris that they hadn't seen before laying in the middle of a village. and they also heard that some of the separatists leaders were telling them that they're getting impatient, that they want a bigger body to come and start to remove that debris, a bigger body of international experts because they're running out of patience. and that probably has to do with the fact that the war here in eastern ukraine is intensifying. >> given the ongoing violence and the uptick in violence, and i hope i'm wrong here, i just don't see how there is going to be a large footprint of australian and dutch police and investigators cordoning off several mile radius area and systematically searching for
victims or searching through wreckage. can you foresee that actually occurring? >> you know, a couple of days ago, we were traveling freely back and forth from the crash site. the separatists had opened the way. some of the initial obstacles had been lifted and the question that was raised, why aren't people starting to show up? i think we're learning very quickly just how combustible and unpredictable the situation. you've had a couple of ukrainian warplanes shot down just within the last three days. the fighting is clearly intensified. the proposal to send potentially scores of australian and dutch military police and investigators perhaps some of them armed, i don't know how that's going to work in a very complicated place like this. how you can get both the approval of the ukrainian government and the rebels who are locked into this deadly struggle together, for them both to agree for some kind of humanitarian corridor for another foreign potentially armed body to come into the
crash site. i just don't know how you can put that together. >> let's hope it does work. but we'll have to wait and see. ivan watson, stay safe, ivan. thank you. so a crash site in a war zone where the fighting, as ivan said, is worsening, where the arms are flowing, where rebel patience is wearing thin, and the crash site, the crime scene itself remains unsecured except for those rebels. i want to bring back miles o'brien and david soucie and former cia officer bob baer. you know, david, you heard in ivan's report there about the difficulties obviously in this entire region. do you see any possibility of an actual crash investigation going on? >> honestly, i really do. you look at the accident that happened in colorado springs and how little there was left that of because it had gone straight down. there wasn't much left. we were able to determine everything that happened in that accident. >> but you didn't have armed insurgents running around firing and shooting each other. >> that's the challenge. as far as disrupting the site, i think there is always going to be tlefd.
what i recommend is someone goes in there immediately and documents where everything is specifically with geo referenced high definition cameras. get those put together. at this point you documented everything you can, get it on truck and get it the heck out of there. >> bob, does this make any sense? the rebels are saying their patience is wearing thin. they're saying that to osce monitors. the dutch and australians were sending in military police, maybe even armed forces. do you believe there is actually going to be an investigation? >> anderson, there is never going to be an investigation. clearly, at this point, the best evidence points to the rebels. they do not want to come out and provide witnesses. they don't mind if the plane is pulled away and people wander through the site. but they're not going to have police helping with this investigation is what you need, because we need to find out who shot the missile and why. and we're not going to get that right now. it's the middle of a civil war. i've never seen a worse situation to investigate an airline shoot-down like this ever. i mean, even over the ocean, you're better off.
and the russians clearly do not intend to help. they are going to step up this fight in the eastern ukraine. they're in trouble right now, and they're going to keep sending more weapons across. and right now they don't care about an investigation. >> miles, to me, again, i hope i'm wrong on this, and i very well may be. but i kind of agree with bob here. and my hope is that at least there is some sort of systematic search for the remaining victims here, because it seems like at least get those -- the people out and back to their families. >> i mean, that has to be first and foremost here. if there is any shred of humanity on the ground there, that's what needs to be done there are families grieving with their loved ones just lying there. it's just -- i can barely say it. it's horrific. it's absolutely horrific. i should point out, though, the photographic record here is not to be trifled with. there are photos, plenty of them out there that offer absolutely
conclusive proof that this was an airplane that was shot down. the shrapnel pattern is very conclusive in the photographs. so that's about as much as you need to know. the black boxes are in england. they were supposed to be listening to the cockpit voice recorder today, may shed a little more light. and i'll say it again. the radar tapes and the air traffic control tapes held by the ukrainians, those are key as well. so really, as far as building an investigation, having boots on the ground right there touching that metal, which is seemingly unlikely may not be critical. >> david, you talk obviously from the ideal world, yes, you may want that it seems to me at this point, you know, eight days plus in, the best we can hope for is getting the people out, getting the victims out. >> i'm just an eternal optimist. and obviously, he is more of an expert than i am as far as being in there, controlling a site like this. like he said, i've never done an investigation in a war zone either. but i'm a little naive that way. >> in the ideal world for you,
you're talking about an investigation that could take weeks. >> there is a separation in my mind about the investigation. we're not looking for who pushed the button. we're not looking for that. what we're looking for is concrete proof that in a court of law, even if it's a war court, there has to be concrete hand-held proof. i've seen so many photographs thrown out. >> how long would it take to gather debris to do what you're talking about? >> i would say a good team of experienced professionals, i don't know about taking the debris off, because i haven't been at the site. but to document that scene can be done in a day or two. it's not a major project. document it with geo referenced cameras and drones, small drones that can document the whole area. of course, they would probably be shot down i would guess. but just to get it documented so we know how to recreate it in three dimensional space. and at this point we have everything we need. we get the other remains out of there if possible. as miles pointed out, that's critically important as well. in two or three days that site could be documented in three
dimensional representations what is going on there. >> and bob, you have no doubt that vladimir putin, i think the ambassador to the -- the u.s. ambassador to the ukraine said vladimir putin could fix this with one phone call. you have no doubt that is the case, that if he called up the people's republic in donetsk and said, look, set up a perimeter around the crash site and get this done, it would be done? >> anderson, absolutely. these people exist thanks to putin. he is supporting this resistance. he is supplying it, he is funding it. and without him, it would fall apart. they'll do anything he asks them to do. he could also find out who fired that missile and why. and that's really a former intelligence officer, that's what i want to find out. i want to exclude the possibility that somebody fired at this airplane on purpose. i don't think they did. but, you know, as an investigator, i'd like to know that. >> bob baer, david soucie, miles o'brien, thanks very much, guys. up next, the breaking news from the middle east. a pause in fighting. a shorts ceasefire. we'll talk with wolf blitzer and our karl penhaul who is in gaza
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welcome back. as we said at the top of the broadcast, there is breaking news as well in the middle east. in the bloody and increasingly divisive clash between israel and hamas. a 12-hour pause in the fighting effective at 8:00 a.m. local time. israeli operations in gaza now sparking protests in the west bank, said secretary kerry today. the agony of events in gaza, the west bank and israel, all of them together cannot be overstated. it is a very ugly situation, of course all the way around. karl penhaul and accomplish wit 12-hour pause? >> well, they're doing the 12-hour -- john kerry.
they thought it made too many concessions to hamas, an organization they consider to be a terrorist organization. they also want to make sure that they don't give hamas time, they say, to regroup, to catch its breath, rebuild some of its stockpiles. so they're not going to accept that seven-day proposal right now for a ceasefire. it's frustrating for secretary kerry and some of the others. they have worked really hard to try to achieve it. but the israelis say and the cabinet unanimously rejected it. they say it goes too far. it contains conditions that were not accepted by -- that were not included in the original egyptian proposal with the israeli accepted about a week ago, hamas rejected. so that one is up in the air right now. >> and wolf, how committed does hamas seem to this? >> well, if you listen to palestinians, not necessarily hamas, but i spoke with representatives of the palestinian authority, the chief palestinian negotiate, one of the palestinian parliamentarians. they say a, hamas has agreed to
the 12-hour humanitarian ceasefire, won't fire rockets and missiles into israel during that 12 hours. they also say hamas would have agreed to the seven-day proposal if israel had agreed. israel hasn't agreed. so hamas not going to unilaterally stop firing the rockets and missiles into israel. we haven't heard that directly from hamas. we've heard it from palestinian authority types who say that hamas is on board. >> karl, i understand the u.n. tried to investigate today the blast at the u.n. school. are we any closer to learning the truth about what happened and who is responsible? >> no, absolutely not, anderson. because that u.n. team of investigators did go into the school. they had informed the israeli military that they were going in to start their investigation, and they said that shortly after they got into the school, gunfire erupted all around them, and they had to pull out really pretty quickly. you also have to remember there has been no chain of custody of the evidence. what i mean by, that nobody has been looking after that school. that school has not been sealed.
it's been in the middle of a combat zone. and so anything really could have happened to the evidence that they find on the ground. the israeli military says it will launch its own investigation. the united nations also calling for a full report, anderson. >> are there not bomb shelters in gaza city at all? why hasn't hamas built any bomb shelters? >> well, i think first of all, hamas' militant faction, if they had been able to get their hands on concrete and rebar, they put that into building tunnels. that might sound fat seizurceti. we have seen pill military pictures from the deep underground very long tunnels and we've seen hamas propaganda showing the tunnels as well. they used a lot of concrete for that. not a lot of building materials getting into the gaza strip because of the so-called blockade. and that limits their ability to build bomb shelters for ordinary
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observers called it a game-changer for russia. vladimir putin, they said, would be forced by all the public outcry to reconsider his support for the rebels in ukraine. the nationalist fever that he whipped up would break, they said, and putin would find a way to back down. the answer as you saw so far as you saw in barbara starr's reporting is twofold, not yet and not hardly. that's a major concern tonight for many, including jeffrey pyatt, american ambassador to the ukraine. soon will be transferring, in fact, it could be already happening more heavy weaponry into eastern ukraine, including more powerful missile launchers. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me that we're seeing now two weeks of steadily raising the stakes by the kremlin. an increasing pattern of destabilizing actions targeted on ukraine. of course there was the tragic shoot-down of malaysia flight 17. we hope very much that that would give pause so some of these russian plans. tragically, that hasn't happened. we see that the investigators are still being blocked at the
site. but at the same time, we see this pattern of escalating military involvement. the transfers of heavy weapons, the firing across the russian border, which is now confirmed. units in russia, on russian territory firing into ukraine to target ukrainian military units. this has to stop. this is a dangerous situation which threatens to spin out of control very quickly. president poroshenko has made clear he is seeking a political solution to this crisis. but that's not going to be feasible while russia is pouring gasoline on the flames. >> you've said president putin could end this with one phone call. do you have any sense of how many phone calls he has actually made to the rebels in eastern ukraine, what level of contact there is? >> anderson, i've seen no evidence of any interventions from moscow to de-escalate this crisis with the separatists. we've seen no messaging from
moscow to the separatists that it's time to come in from the cold, to accept the ukrainian constitutional framework, to accept the meaningful peace process that president poroshenko has put on the table, including constitutional reforms, delegation of local authority, and guarantees for the russian language. none of that is happening. >> i spoke earlier today, a few hours ago with the head of the osce operation on the ground in ukraine, in eastern ukraine. he said today pro-russian rebels had told him and his staff that their patience is running out at the crash site, that investigators are going to have one more week or so to do their work, which doesn't seem possible if they actually stick to that. what is your reaction to that? >> their position is simply not credible. firstly, it's critically important that the human remains at the site are fully accounted for. that simply hasn't happened yet. we won't know how many individuals, how many remains are missing until the forensic
work is completed in the netherlands. but we know already that it is multiple individuals whose loved ones may never know what happened to their bodies. at the crash site itself, i've said it needs to be treated like the crime scene that it now is, which means unimpeded access by professional investigators from all of the countries that the netherlands has enlisted in this international effort. we have fbi investigators who are in kharkiv now, prepared to assist in the dutch-led effort. you have professionals from australia, if the uk, from germany, of course from malaysia. but they can't do their work when they're negotiating their way through rebel roadblocks, and when the separatists are threatening violence on the scene. >> is it possible that there could be a time and a time approaching rapidly where a military force is needed on the ground? there has been talk about a possible australian troops from the netherlands or elsewhere. can you foresee that actually occurring?
>> our best solution to this situation is the implementation of the 40 kilometer exclusion zone that president poroshenko has proposed for the crash site and the surrounding territory. the separatists have not accepted that option. they've not accepted the proposal from president poroshenko to demilletaryize that 40 kilometer zone. once that happens, several of the countries that are involved in this international investigation have said they are prepared to insert police forces who would be there to stabilize the crash scene, to ensure security for the investigators who after all are people who aren't accustomed to and shouldn't have to do their jobs with body armor. but that's going to take a change in tact from the separatists. that's what we're hoping president putin will encourage. that's the message that we hope will come from moscow. but at this point, as you know, anderson, we're talking about groups of three and four. they don't have continuous access. they haven't been able to put down a grid. they haven't been able to tape
off sensitive sites. in fact, i'm seeing that even yesterday, another very large piece of the fuselage was discovered a mile or two from the existing investigation sites. this is a massive crime scene. it's an unprecedented international disaster where you have a civilian airliner brought down by an advanced military missile in a combatant area. it's going to take exceptional international cooperation. and certainly, it's going to take a dramatic change in attitude from the separatist groups from the so-called donetsk people's republic. it's inhuman how this crash site has been treated. it's undignify food the victims of the crash, it's cruel to the family members, and it's inconsistent with the wishes of the international community. well need that kind of clarity to come from moscow now. >> investigator pyatt, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> good to talk to you. >> just ahead tonight, a decorated war veteran in the united states, he is a u.s. senator who also appears to be a
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overseas. the army war college has opened an investigation after reports that senator john walsh, montana plagiarized large portions of his war school thesis. senator walsh and a decorated war veteran has not denied the allegation. his office calls it a mistake. dana bash has more. >> reporter: it was the final paper for master's degree from the airplane's war college. but it turns out then 46-year-old john walsh lifted much of it from other people. and now senator walsh is having a hard time explaining why. about a quarter of his 14-page paper on american middle east policy was plagiarized, according to "the new york times" which broke the story, and lays it out starkly on its website. one example, walsh's six recommendations are taken nearly word for word from a carnegie endowment for international peace document with no attribution. or here walsh used more than 560 words from a harvard paper. no attribution or credit to the author. we went to the senator's a office to talk to him about it,
but got nowhere. and walsh actively avoided cnn and other reporters around the senate. when he did talk to the montana ap, the iraq war veteran discussed his psychological trauma from iraq. four soldiers in his battalion were killed. he returned just before entering the army war college. i don't want to blame my mistake on ptsd, but i do want to say it may have been a factor, he said. my head was not in a place very con duce alternative a classroom and an academic environment. now back in montana, he is backtracking. >> i am in no way, no way tieing to what i did to any type of ptsd. you know. that had nothing to do with the mistake that that i made. >> to make matters worse, walsh's campaign tried to keep the focus on his combat record, not his academic one. but this damage control memo may have done more damage. it said walsh survived hundreds of ied explosions while in a
humvee that was wrong. a spokeswoman tells cnn the memo should have said the battalion walsh commanded survived hundreds of explosions. he did survive one in 2005. >> the senator from montana. >> reporter: walsh has only been in the senate five months, appointed to fill the seat vacated by max baucus, now ambassador to china. winning an election was an uphill climb. national democrats had hoped walsh's 33 years in the army national guard, never in politics, would help. but sometimes a political novice brings unwanted surprises. walsh is now trying to convince voters to keep his in perspective. >> in the big scheme of things, this paper was not a life and death situation. i admit i made a mistake. >> dana joins me with the latest, along with "new york times" reporter john than martin who broke the story about senator walsh's alleged plagiarism. this is just incredible stuff. a quarter of the paper appears to be taken directly from other people's work. it's crazy.
>> well, a quarter of the paper taken with no attribution whatsoever. it's a pretty brazen example of academic plagiarism. and it's important to keep in mind this was not something that senator walsh did right after college when he was a 25-year-old grad student. he was a colonel in the national guard, had served in iraq. in his 40s when he did this. >> yeah, that's the thing that really stands out. when i first heard the story, i thought maybe there is something he did in college, and is this a big deal. but he was in his mid- to late 40s, 46 i think. and jonathan, he is now saying he made a mistake, as we heard there. but at one point, he blamed it partly on ptsd. now he says no way. that's not the case. and you got a totally different explanation i understand two different times from his campaign. >> yeah, i did. i first talked to senator walsh on tuesday of this week and confronted him outside his office. and actually showed him the
documentation of where he had used the work of others. and at that point, i asked him point-blank, anderson, i said did you commit plagiarism. he said i don't believe so, no. now subsequently, his staff suggested that he was going through a tough time when he wrote this paper, that he was suffering with thoughts about a soldier that had been under his command in iraq who had committed suicide, and that it was mentally difficult for him. now senator walsh himself also made similar comments to the ap. in the last day or so, though, his campaign has stopped talking about that, and senator walsh himself today montana radio said that this was not something that was a result of ptsd. >> dana, his military service, he has obviously made that a cornerstone of his campaign. what are your sources saying about his chances now? >> well, the problem is, and the disappointment among democrats is that in polls recently, he
was closing the gap. remember, this is a democratic seat, as i mentioned. that democrats thought maybe they had a best chance of keeping with somebody with military service. >> would democrats, are they standing by him? >> they are. but they're standing by him rhetorically and symbolically and standing by him where it matters which is in the pocketbooks, and in his pocketbook when it comes to campaign cash. i think it's going to -- a large way to really view this is going to be in the weeks and months to come to see whether the national democratic party is going to give money to him and is going to support him in other ways to try to help his campaign. >> squon thjonathan, what happe the war army investigation and what is the maximum punishment he could receive? >> i talked to the provost at the army war college, anderson, just yesterday. they did a preliminary review of senator walsh's paper. they did find evidence to make
clear that he appeared to commit plagiarism in their view. so they are going forward with an investigation that will take place next month at the army war college in carlyle, pennsylvania. >> well, we'll follow it. martin, great reporting, thank you very much. dana bash, thank you so much. we'll be right back. ♪ [ radio chatter ] ♪ [ male announcer ] andrew. rita. sandy. ♪ meet chris jackie joe. minor damage, or major disaster, when you need us most, we're there. state farm. we're a force of nature, too.
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susan hendricks has a 360 bulletin. >> anderson, president obama met with the leaders of three central american countries today at the white house. they discussed ways to stop young migrants from coming to the u.s. meanwhile, there is growing concern democrats and republicans won't be able to pass a bill to deal with the border crisis before congress leaves town next week for the entire month of august. and officials in mosul, iraq say the militant group isis has blown up the tomb of jonah, the prophet said to have been swallowed by a great whale or fish. the doctor fighting the fight against ebola in sierra leone is infected with the deadly virus. more than one thousand patients have been infected with ebola, and 660 people have died. and a new report from nasa shows two years ago earth narrowly escaped a powerful solar storm that looked like
this. it was big enough to knock civilization back centuries with catastrophic damage to our electrical grid. and anderson, one study suggests the economic impact would have been more than >> susan, that does it for us. our viewers around the world, thanks for watching. >> welcome to viewers in the u.s. and around the world. i'm natalee allen. >> i'm charles howell. as day breaks in gaza with a truce just hours away, huge explosions rock the region. the question the world is asking today, will this cease fire hold? >> also, turmoil on the tarmac. why did armed police storm of this jet in toronto? >> and as more remains from the malaysia flight 17 return to the netherlands, one family shares their devastating story.