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running for a second term against the democratic state senator barbara buono. only a few seconds away from finding out if we, here at cnn can make a projection here in new jersey. the answer is yes, chris christie we project will be reelected for new jersey. beating barbara buono. chris christie easily moves forward and gets a second term. let's bring in john king. not a huge surprise, he was way, way ahead in all of the polls but formally we've made this projection. >> we've made this projection and looks like a land slide for chris christie. a land slide. he'll make the case starting tomorrow morning, a message to the national republican party what it takes to win the white house back in 2016.
among the reasons, chris christie 53% of the voting population in new jersey are women. that's red for a will be. chris christie is carrying the women's vote against a female democratic opponent. 68%, chris christie will make the case. look at that, i can win amo women. that's not the only think he'll do. he's winning. 16% of the election in new jersey african americans. it's blue because they are going for bar bro buono and chris christi, up from 9% four years ago. chris christie will say i'm doing better than mccain or romney but built support among african americans. not so much in new jersey, la at that time tinos make up 8% of the population in new jersey but critically important in swing states. wolf, chris christie getting nearly half. 45% of the latino vote and that 32% and he can go and make the
case to national republicans where voters we've been weak, i'm not only performing strong but improving. nearly half of the voters of new jersey today describe themselves as moderates. chris christi winning big among the voting blocks. that's the reason he's winning bi today. this is not a liberal state. president obama won it big both times but the mood is not liberal. split on october 50-49 and split, wolf, on the president's approval performance. chris christie is make a case. yes, his state is blue, not since 19 88 has it voted for republican. chris christie is make the case he won big and he will make the case it should prove he should be a serious contender for 2016. >> and he's making no secret he's thinking seriously about becoming a serious contender for the nomination. john, stand by. we're watching a number of other races tonight that could have a big impact on national politics
and the 2016 presidential race. in virginia, still too early to call, the governor's race, the top contenders are the democrat terry mcauliffe and ken cuccinelli. let's look at actual votes. 17% of the vote is now in virginia. 17% of the vote is in. you see ken cuccinelli 18 and 53% to 40% robert and the libertarian with 7%. those are votes tallied. on the line tonight the mayor's office in new york city, a democrat could win it for the first time in two decades succeeding the independent mayor michael bloomberg. polls close in new york at the top of the hour. there is also a republican congressional primary run off in alabama we're following. it will be a test of the tea party's cloud versus the gop
establishment. we're watching that case closely including a proposed marijuana tax in colorado and an effort by colorado residents to secede from the state. in virginia right now, let's take another closer look at the actual votes. you see ken cuccinelli at 53% to 40% for terry mcauliffe. now it just changed 20% of the vote is now -- you see ken cuccinelli ahead. the libertarian with 7% in there. once again, we've not been able to make a projection in virginia, clearly a close race shaping up. we'll watch it every step of the way. lots at stake in virginia, top of the hour new york city. we've just projected a winner in new jersey. chris christie reelected to a second term. whether he admits it or not and sometimes tries not to,
chris christi went into tonight with presidential buzz and jake tapper and crew had exclusive access to the governor who did not disappoint, talking about president obama tweaking the promise americans can keep their insurance under the affordable care act. he had advice. >> here is my suggest, don't be so cute and when you make a mistake, admit it. listen, if it was a mistake in 2009, if he was mistaken in twoutz 9, 2010 on his understanding of how the law would operate, then just admit it to people. say you know what? i said it. i was wrong. i'm sorry and we're going to try to fix this and make it better. i think people would give any leader in that circumstance a lot of credit for just, you know, owning up to it. instead of now -- don't lawyer it. >> don't lawyer it. jake tapper joins us from
chirstie headquarters. fascinating, he's not known to mince words and didn't today. >> reporter: no, this is a man extra that experienced tough times, tough words for having a good working relationship with president obama and in the closing days of the election last year after super storm sandy hit the coast and president obama came to new jersey and christie had nice things to say about president obama. a lot of americans bitter and mad. chris christi saying don't be a lawyer, be a leader. even though chris christie am knowledges he's a lawyer. they want to hear the truth and that's tough advice for the both not taking it as of now. >> and it's the margin of chris christie's victory. >> it's who votes for him, the demographics. it's a nice big win.
he told jake he wanted over 50% because that would give him a place in republican history. what he needs to show is what john king was talking about, which is here i am. i'm a republican in a democratic state and look how i did among african americans and hispanics. look at me in a way i did with women. if you take those groups and see how mitt romney scored, which was very low, you -- this is -- chris christie's way of saying look, this is how you win elections. >> right. >> now, it's how you win elections in new jersey. >> right. >> and that's assuming a lot, but nonetheless, he reminds me a little bit of bill clinton in arkansas. a moderate democratic governor in a republican state. this is now a -- he doesn't like being called a moderate. this is a republican running a blue state. >> i think chrhis brand is more
ideal. if you didn't know your own health care law, own up to it. it's a brand he's developing as candy says to attract a coalition that republicans were unable to attract in the last election but also he's a different kind of politician and that's what he's trying to say. >> yeah, goes -- >> anderson, if -- the -- when christie told me, when he told me all he wanted to do is get over 50%, that was spinning to a degree. it was setting expectations low siting the fact that the last republican to win the state was george h.w. bush in 1988 and christi todd whitman was elected twice without 50% of the vote. people here at his campaign headquarters, reelection headquarters expect he'll do well over 50%. they want the media wow factor to be even bigger, oh, only 50%,
that's all we expect. oh my god, it was 58%. that's what they are going for here. there is straight talk and complete candor, i don't know any politician that offers complete candor. >> jake, candy was talking about the knock on christi by republicans that he's a moderate and not conservative enough. you asked him and told him some tea partiers consider him a republican in name only. i want to play what he said. >> look at my record. i think most people objectively look at my record as we talked about before outside. it's a solid conservative record, and i mean, for goodness sakes, almost everybody is called a rhino. if you weren't in favor of the government shutdown, you're a rhino. i don't pay any attention to that. >> jake, is he right? is the image of him as a moderate misplaced? >> i mean, i think he's a very conservative guy. i think that when it comes to abortion and reproductive rights and those issues, when it comes
to guns, he vetoed some gun restrictions here. when it comes to raising taxes on wealthy americans, he's been against that. he has a case to make. on the other hand, has he supported gun control in the past? yes. has he talked about climate change being a real thing? yes. has he worked with democrats in a state that's very democratic, capital d, he has. it will be the path to the presidency if there is one to the nomination even will be keying to the center right. but he will be able to say that he's against abortion and has kept -- tried to keep money away from planned parent hood in the state that he vetoed gun restriction, leg station and held the line on taxes. he has a case to make. is he rand paul, ted cruz? he's certainly not. >> he's looking beyond the boarders of new jersey nnk. >> he is but is he conservative to win in iowa?
probably not. could he win in new hampshire? maybe. as he charts his path he has to -- he knows that ted cruz for example would probably do pretty well and iowa and led ran paul and ted cruz fight that out. >> he also has his finger in the poll what in the end always matters, electability. >> right. >> we know that tea parties and conservatives are saying it's because we went for electability before that we lost but in the end what republicans want is a republican in the white house and if there is a determination and he has enough money, he'll be fine. >> depends what party they are talking about. they will say electability got me nowhere. they will say maybe we need to stand for something more in the states. >> a lot to watch for in this hour. gloria, thank you. candy, jake, we'll be reporting each key race as the calls come in throughout the hour and night on cnn.
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with a sampling of voter as they left select polling stations throughout virginia today. here are the updated exit polls, waited exit polls. 47% for terry mcauliffe, 7% for rob sarvis. a very, very close race shaping up, 47%, 45%, remember, these are exit poll estimates. the final outcome may be different, but clearly, we see what could be an extremely tight race in virginia. we'll share more exit poll data like this throughout the night, but let me show you the actual votes that have now been tallied, have actually been counted. 29% of the vote is now in. ken kuch necuccinelli is ahead. 51-42, still 58,000 plus ahead
for ken cuccinelli and 7% for robert sarvis. shapes up a lot closer than a lot of folks thought going into tonight. >> with 30% in, you see the margin. i want to show people a little historical comparison. these are counties for ken cuccinelli of note, starting to get results up here leaning democratic in fair fax county. until we have more vote from up here it's hard to say what will happen. when you see this vote, let me call it for you. look a at this red here, red here. this is the strength for ken cuccinelli. i want to go back in time. when you see the red, i want to show you the 2009 governor's race won by the republican bob mcdonald and come up high and
push it higher. come over, there we go. you see, ken cuccinelli doing well. bob mcdonald did very well up here. up here in northern virginiaen suburbs but if you show the presidential race there, that's to up here. this is the swing area in virginia. for republicans to win, a lot of population is up here. that is the presidential race. this is the 2009 governor's race and the battle ground tonight. at the moment, when you remember this here, i want to come back to tonight, ken cuccinelli is the moment is doing what he needs to do in the rural part of the state, the republican part of the state. the question is you see light blue here leaning democratic, that starting to go democratic. as we get more votes here, ken cuccinelli needs more here. >> terry mcauliffe will get more. 32% of the vote is now in and
cuccinelli still ahead 50-43%. he's up by votes robert sarvis in. a third of the vote is counted in virginia ex ken cuccinelli remains ahead. it's shaping up closer than a lot of folks thought it would be. we're going to watch it throughout the night, obviously, we're not ready to make any projection by any means, anderson? >> wolf, we'll check back with you shortly. right now we're north where the political landscape is shaping. ron ford aknowledging he smoked crack cocaine in as he put it in a drunken stuper. the allegations have been dogging him for months. last month toronto's police chief says they have video showing ford smoking a crack pipe. up until now he denied it but
today promised it won't happen again. >> i embarrassed everyone in the city and i will be forever sorry. there is only one person to blame for this, and that is myself. i know by admitting my mistake was the right thing to do and i feel like a thousand pounds have been lifted off my shoulders. i know what i did was wrong, and admitting it was the most difficult and embarrassing thing i have ever had to do. to the residents of toronto, i know i have let you down, and i can't do anything else but
apologize. there is important work that we must advance and important decisions that must be made. for the sake of the taxpayers of this great city, for the sake of the taxpayers, we must get back to work immediately. >> for the sake of the taxpayers. from not only ignored calls to step aside, he plans to run for reelection next your. paula is there tonight. i want to play repeated denials we've heard from this man over the course of the last six months, let's listen. >> these allegations are ridiculous. >> absolutely not true. ridiculous. >> are you allegations true? >> ridiculous. i do not use crack cocaine nor am i an adduct.
>> number one, there is no video, that's all i can say. >> have you done illegal drugs since mayor? >> anything else? i have no reason to resign. i'll go back, return phone calls, be out doing what the people elected me to do. >> what was the reaction today when he finally admitted he did do it but probably in a drunken binge? >> shock, utter shock but on the other hand, anderson, everybody is riveted. i want you to hear how mayor ford's day started today. >> yes, i have smoked crack cocaine. >> which when -- >> do i? am i an addict, no? have i tried it? probably a in a drunken stuper, probably a year ago. >> he said in a drunken stuper he may have smoked crack cocaine
and it may be on video. he's saying he's come clean and wants to see the video and see how bad it actually was and he wants the whole city to see it, too, anderson? >> there is nothing anyone can actually do to remove him from office, right? >> no, there is no impeachment procedure at city hall and counselors are frustrated, so many even supporters say look, it's time for him to step aside, at least a little bit of time and deal with personal issues he's admitted to. he says he'll run next year, run again for mayor and i would not count him out, despite all of this. his popularity has been fairly strong and more than that, his poll numbers surprisingly resilient jen resilient. >> and have the police committed on the regulmarch you?
>> they said look, we have this video and when they heard what came out today they said we'll take this information and that's all they said. anderson, this mayor runs the police department. technically he's in charge of the same police department that had him under secret surveillance for months. believe me, this story isn't going anywhere. everyone wants to see that video. it might come out in the coming months in a trial in connection with drug charges of the mayor's former driver and friend, but in the meantime, the mayor saying look, the video exists. i did it. i'm sorry. let's move on. >> the idea that he's saying this is all about the taxpayers and that's why he wants to stay in, i mean, you know, we'll see if the taxpayers buy that argument. i want to turn next to dr. drew pinsky, host of "dr. drew on call on hln". he said he probably tried it in quote one of my drunken
stupers. what does that tell you about him when he talks about drunken supers? >> i don't know him but fairly clearly meets criteria for alcoholism. you don't have to drink every day to be an alcoholic, not liver disease but on going use in the face of consequence, work, relationships, health and his work consequences have been profound and finally denial is defining feature of this condition, as well and certainly, he's manifesting classic denial. >> he emphasized he wasn't an adduct but addiction takes many forms. you can be addicted to alcohol. it's like a drunken stuper, an adult in a responsible situation, having multiple drunken stupers. >> blackout drunk. it's a sign of illness. it's a sign of a condition. if you have black out drinks
repeatedly, you're at least a bing alcoholic and you're right, anderson, i don't make a distinction between addiction and alcoholism. they are the same function of the brain and as such, he needs to take time. i actually feel very sympathetic towards this guy. he needs to step down, take care of the medical problem like he had any other serious medical condition, get treatment and return to work. but to go on the way he is, insist on continuing to work and come out publicly and say i'll cut down on my alcohol consumption. that will not work. you'll see more press confanss ahead to to say i'm going to cut down, it doesn't work that way. >> doesn't work. doesn't work that way that's exactly right. the other thing in audition to denial, he's a classic alcoholic move which is to say i didn't lie to you guys, you guys just didn't ask me the right questions, that's why you didn't get the information you wanted. when alcoholics say that, i laugh out loud.
they are comical when they try to blow smoke to continue using but a classic reason and manifestation of this motivational disturbance where the brain believes it must continue the relationship with alcohol at any cost, no matter how much humiliation, work consequence, political consequence, he'll keep the relationship going. >> do people often in this position just not see the reality of circumstances? you look at this guy and listen to him over the last couple months as he's been lying and ducking and diving on this stuff and he just seems out of control. >> right, anderson. that's what denial is. denial takes many forms but part of it is not really seeing reality on reality's term s so not seeing things the way people see it, and that's going on here. can you be that big, be ocho pie -- obese and be a crack addict? . can you use crack on an
occasional basis, not part of a drug but alcohol i cans can throw in crack cocaine sometimes and it doesn't become an issue. the alcohol repains primary. it can be an issue but as ocho poti posed to individuals just picking up the crack pipe. >> thanks. >> you bet. up next, back to the election coverage and the tight race we're watching tonight in virginia. we'll be right back. thrusters at 30%! i can't get her to warp. losing thrusters. i need more power. give me more power! [ mainframe ] located. ge deep-sea fuel technology. a 50,000-pound, ingeniously wired machine that optimizes raw data to help safely discover and maximize resources in extreme conditions. our current situation seems rather extreme. why can't we maximize our... ready. ♪ brilliant. let's get out of here. warp speed. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish,
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wolf blitzer has the latest, wolf? >> half the votes count the, anderson. look at this, 46% of the vote in in virginia. ken cuccinelli with 49% and terry mcauliffe with 44% and robert sarvis with 7%. a close race. we cannot make a projection in virginia. can we tell where the votes are coming in from yet because north were virginia is a pretty democratic area. >> from arlington county votes in but fair fax, loaden county, right up here in northern virginia are critical, absolutely critical for the outcome of this state. we have a lot to be counted. a relatively low percentage of the votes here. why is that so important? republican, 57,000 votes ahead, nearly half of the vote counted and more than enough for the democrat to make up that margin
and as you can see, light blue means it's leaning democratic. dark blue it strongly leaning democratic. that's the solid for ken kuch kne -- cuccinelli. i want to show people history. as you see, northern virginia where the population growth is, right now either strong or leaning democrat terry mcauliffe even though he's losting by 63,000 votes statewide. why is that important? i got to turn that off to do this. look at the 2009 governor's race and turn that on this is bob mcdonald the current i'm come bent governor. he swept these northern counties. that's what it looked like in 2009. this is what it looks like now at the moment tonight. they are leaning democratic. if they stay that way mccall lift stays there. that's consistent with 2009.
republican has to win big down here and by huge margins and hold his own here. one more priest of history if you look at the 2012 presidential race that was the difference. >> i'm told 31% of the vote in suburban dc area of northern virginia is still relativelierly. we'll see what happens in the coming hour, hour or two. >> hour or so. >> look at this, 50%, 49% of the vote in cuccinelli still ahead by 50,000 votes or so, 49% to 44%, sarvis still with 7%. close race shaping up, anderson, in virginia. >> no doubt about it, wolf. dana bash is at terry mcauliffe headquarters. how confident are they feeling.
>> reporter: they pefeel confident. the numbers are still coming in from the key democratic areas and population sent series here in northern virginia. that's why they feel really good and you see the ballroom filling up. this is much more of a festive atmosphere. people optimistic. the reason is they had a candidate out there and been ahead in the polls since the spring. they were a little worried they would tighten up and at least coming into election day, they hadn't. >> this race is more acrimonious than we've seen in.
>> very acrimonious as somebody that lives in the media market where you see the ad s, non-stop. the democratic candidate and former dnc chair, somebody that has a very good fund raising list has for decades has been able to really pull in the cash here, knot just fnot just from n but supporters and you see the ad s very, very touch on ken cuccinelli and this isn't just about virginia but the implications nationally. dem kralocrats are saying the me that kucuccinelli, the current attorney general is too extreme and the tea party seen best days behind them and this will be the message they put into midterm elections. >> yeah. >> reporter: in 2009 when bob mcdonald won, they hope this is
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2013 election coverage. the new jersey governor's race decided early, chris christie elected and ken kucuccinelli's lead shrinking. >> we have to wait the old fashioned way for results in virginia. 61% of the vote counted. the race getting closer and closer. ken cuccinelli the attorney again well with 4% and terry mcauliffe 45% and 7% for the libertarian candidate. 39% of the vote yet to be counted, john king. say this is a close race by all accounts. we don't have the result. >> we don't know the result. one point worth making in the northern virginia suburbs outside of washington dc these counties right here the dc suburbs only 44% of the vote has been counted so far as we speak.
so 56% of the vote still out as we begin this conversation. the votes are coming in as we speak. ken cuccinelli a 41,000 vote. a republican in the smaller rural down tips ran up red and dark red are strongly leaning republicans. places with dark blue are strongly democratic and critical wolf, how big does terry mcauliffe win. this is critical. look at this map now. this is the race as it stands in virginia for governor. okay? let's go to the 2009 governor's race. turn this off. republican bob mcdonald won because he performed so strongly in the dc suburbs. winning down here in the rural parts of the state but remember that because in 2012 when the president won, democrat president obama president obama won for president.
what's the difference? the populous suburbs. this is the critical part of the race. this is an evenly divided state, split on obama care, the job performance. more moderate elected than five or ten years ago but the demographics of the state are reshaping. that's the presidential race. that's the 2009 governor's race. this is where we stand right now. these counties right up in here will determine the winner of what at the moment is a very competitive race with the republican ahead as we speak for virginia governor anderson. >> explain. >> there was a time in my life 26 years ago where it was gone, a republican state will you look at this map. president obama wins convincingly over mitt room knee 232-206. that was a year ago. look at one of the things the president did, he turned virginia blue. he also turned florida blue and
ohio blue. this state because of the population. if virginia is in play, ohio is in play. if virginia is in play, florida is in play. the candidate what is keeping in play, that means moderate voters in play. looking on the other map. if you look at a national map here, again, this is 2012. president obama carries virginia, florida, ohio and i'll go as far in as iowa. these are classic swing states in american politics. virginia was not a classic swing state when i covered national politics. look at this. when you look at 84 it's reliable red and 92 bill clinton wins, reliable red. '96 clinton wins and george w. bush carries it twice when president obama in 2008 finally take advantage of the democrat if i can shifts in northern virginia and turn it blue. he wins again in 2012. when you look ahead to 2016 and try to do this map, you try to show the republicans getting to the magic number of 270,
remember, mitt romney at 206. how would he get to 270? the republicans have to do it, win ohio and iowa and some more votes somewhere. how about virginia? that would be enough to change. virginia is now one of the top three or four national presidential battle grounds. that is why so much attention will be focussed tonight not only on who wins but how they did it, who voted, how the issues broke down whether the government shutdown, health care plan or an issue we haven't talked about tonight because health care and the shut down so dominated the elections, abortion and social issues a factor especially in the northern suburbs. >> thanks very much. i want to talk about those things with my panel now. joined by peter hamby and gloria boringer is here and candy crowley. we talked to dana bash.
how confident are they at cuccinelli headquarters? >> the mood changed a little bit in the last hour. it really had the smell of death an hour ago. the race being tight and too close to call, the mood picked up a bit. look, if you're a democrat, you're in the drivers' ceseat t be. reports late out of virginia, this happened last year in the presidential race, the big counties i fair fax come in late. that will favor the democrat. secondly, look down ballot at the attorney general's race. republican mark is out performing ken touch neil lea and that means voters voting for terry mcauliffe and mark for general. republicans feel better and think it will be closer. this race was never ten, 12 points. maybe two points but, you know,
the money here is still on a very close race with probably mcauliffe having an edge. >> never good when a party has the smell of death. >> not in my experience. >> not in my experience, either. >> not much of a party goer, but that i know. >> john talked about national implications but people will judge the strength of the tea party, you have a conservative republican kucuccinelli and ter mcauliffe. >> republican versus republican in a run off race and that will be interesting. again, it's about location. with cuccinelli, there are so many reasons if this ends up a loss for him, people will look back and say he didn't respond to the criticism from terry mcauliffe. he out raised him --
>> he -- >> he had so much and run the race before and knew what he did wrong. it was a pretty darn good race by mcauliffe. they say he's the least two awful. when you ask about favbility they preferred him to cuccinelli. there are a lot of reasons but will be looked at through the prism of the tea party because if they can't play well in virginia, this further solidifies it as a swing state. >> social issues -- >> social issues -- >> you know, terry mcauliffe took a page from barack obama's playbook, went after women voters and knew that's how obama won the state. so we live in the -- in the zone in which we get inundated with these ads, it was abortion and contraception and he did a good job of defining ken kuch necucc
that way. if cuccinelli fought back, stuck with the base, got the base out, then maybe he could have actually won this race, that may be the lesson they take. the more established republicans may take another lesson, look broaden the base, appeal to women and minorities. you know, where you stand may depend on where you sit if as you analyze this, as a republican. i mean, the tea party folks may say you didn't fight hard enough. >> i want to check in with john king with numbers. john, what are you looking at? >> as you continue that conversation, we're getting more votes in. a fascinating close race. if you look at the raw numbers right now i'm looking off to the screen to catch them. the republican has a 40,000 vote lead. as you see a lot of red out in the less populated areas and blue filling northern virginia.
69% of the vote is in but 50% of the outstanding vote we are told is in the areas up here in northern virginia. it is down here in richmond. it is down here in the new port news area and i want to she you why this is so important. this is blue filling in. that means it's leaning democratic if light blue and strong democratic if it dark blue. you win elections when the republican is sweeping the less rule areas. win big where democrats live, people live, heavy population. we need to watch and see if it plays out. i want to give history. turn this off. this is why we're watching these so closely. in the 2009 governor's race won by a republican, bring that race up, over and in here. you see what happens here. doesn't want to work at the moment. all right. we'll break that later. watch this here. i'll show you why this matters. 50% of the vote in the areas i circled. come with me here and we'll take a closer look.
this is what happened in the 2012 presidential election. look at this red for mitt romney. when obama wins the state by four points, a relatively close race. how does he do it? he wins here, wins in rich monday, norfolk new port news and half of the outstanding vote is there. absolutely critical to democrats, so a 45, nearly 46,000 vote at the moment. terry mcauliffe knows the vote ed are there and needs to win them by a descent margin to make up the 47,000 vote lead by cuccinelli. >> stand by. we'll continue the election kv rage all evening long and you can also of course watch us on tv and check in at cnn.com more for information. michelle night kidnapped and held captive by ariel castro for 11 years. refused to let him win. she spoke to dr. phil. my interview with him ahead.
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castro. they were finally rescued, as you know, from years of imprisonment in pay. in an interview airing today and tomorrow michelle night says she persevered with one person in mind. >> was there a time you thought you would rather just die? >> yes, but this would be taking the easy way out and i want my son to know me as a victor, not a victim, and i wanted him to know that i survived loving him. his love got me through. >> she is a remarkable survivor. tonight, more of my one on one interview with dr. phil. >> she talked about coming close to death. i want to play that. >> when he came back through the door, what did you think would happen then? >> i thought i would be killed. >> when did he do when he back? >> instead, he unties me, takes me to the base skpmt ties me to a poll with chains wrapped around it. the chains were so big and he
wraps it around my neck. he sits me down on the floor and he says this is where you're going to stay until i can trust you. now if i do it too tight and you don't make it, that means you wasn't meant to stay here that means god wanted to take you. so he proceeded to put it on my neck, and then he tied it around my stomach, and he took my hands and bound it behind me, and he took a motorcycle helmet and he put it over my face to where i couldn't breathe at all and later on, i didn't remember a thing because i had passed out. >> was there ever a point that she sort of resigned herself to the idea she could be held by this man for the rest of her life? >> i think she never gave up hope, but of course, when days turn into weeks which turn into months which turn into years, then you begin to get into what i would term as a learned
helplessness. you don't seem to have the ability to change your circumstance and how she continued to put one foot in front of the other during these 11 years is just very humbling. i mean, i said to her during the interview, michelle, i will never complain about another thing the rest of my life. i mean, when you -- when you realize what she went through, it makes everything else seem so trivial. >> did she talk about the day she was rescued, to finally be free and step outside after years of captivity? >> she did, anderson. it was interesting her point of view. he played so many mind games with her before, when she heard the police in the hallway, her first instinct was to run to them, but then she took pause and thought is this a setup? is this a trick? she didn't at first believe that it was the police, because after all of those years, you know,
why should she believe that they would be there now? i will tell you this and you'll hear more about it in the interview, this was at least the third time the police had been to that house -- >> wow. >> during those 11 years. >> i did not know that. that's incredible. how is her adjustment before to life outside that prison? >> it's before very difficult for her but as i say we believe because an early police report described her as having intel lex well disabilities, i don't remember the exact term. i kind of went in wondering just what depth and capacity she would have. i found her to be very bright, very articulate with a terrific spirit and really paying off for her now. think about this, there has been an 11-year gap in her development where she was either held prisoner or was actually locked in isolation chained up in the dark for extended periods of time. so she has a lot of catching up
to do. >> remarkable survivor. before we go, i want to take a quick look at the election totals. ken cuccinelli hanging to a three-point lead. that the it for us. more election night coverage at 10:30 p.m. eastern and check out the web cast. go to ac 360 don't come that starts later. starts later. "piers morgan live" starts now -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. we have breaking news in election coverage. wolf blitzer with the latest on virginia's race, too close to call and jake tapper in new jersey with chris christi who won big tonight. here in new york a live shot of the empire state building up in red, white and