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its course. >> i'm kind of sad actually, for our purposes, let's just say he is indeed the animal. what is the white house worried about now when it comes to obama care? we have a shocking memo. then for the first time, a whistle-blower shows his face. and michelle knight describes in detail how she was held captive by an ohio man for a decade in abominable conditions. let's go out front. a good monday evening, everybody. out front tonight, an obama care bombshell, a stage four cancer survivor says the president's signature legislation cost her
her health care. she is our exclusive guest tonight. but moments ago the president again defended his reforms. >> insurers in the marketplace can no longer use your medical history to charge you more. if you've got a pre-existing condition, they've got to take you. folks who have been sick have finally the same chance to buy quality, affordable health care as everybody else. >> yet, as first reported on china today, obama care officials expressed concern. now here's the op ed. and the headline here is you also can't keep your doctor, what everybody is talking about today is this. it's a bombshell op ed written by a stage four cancer survivor who says obama care is ending her medical care. the left and the right are banging this op ed around like a
pinata. it goes to the core of the entire debate in america. but first we begin with our tom foreman out front with the story. >> reporter: in the battle over health care reform, edie has a story to be reckoned with. in 2007 she received terrible news as described in a series of inspirational online videos. >> i was filled with cancer, not just a little but a lot. and the prognosis was very serious. >> reporter: she was told she had only three months to live and treatment would be all but useless. >> and so i knew what i was up against. >> reporter: but through an aggressive regimen of top flight treatment, she says more than a million dollars were paid for by united health care, she is living on, or at least she has been. now in a new wall street journal op id, she writes my plan was canceled.
and under obama care, she says she can no longer access the health facilities and doctors she's relied on. adding now i worry how long i'll live. >> thousands of people are signing up and saving money as we speak. >> reporter: not surprisingly, the columnist has drawn sharp attack from some obama care defenders when some insist she should do better to blame big business than big government. united announced it was pulling out of the market the months ago and adds it was not because of obama care. it had only 8,000 patients on such plans. what's more, some analysts brief the insurance industry on the whole has long tried to get away from the sickest, most costly patients and obama care makes it possible for those patients with pre-existing conditions to be insured even if they are dropped.
still, she cannot keep the specific care she relied upon she appears to be on firm ground. under her previous care she had care. and now she'll have to choose between one or the other. it is not clear that any option under obama care will allow her to keep the doctors that she has counted on in both places. >> thank you. and edie littlefield joins me. i know you're in remission and we're happy to hear that. i know that's miraculous thing. you write about how you're losing coverage in an insurer who never once questioned a treatment or procedure recommended by your medical team to the cost of about $1.2 million. and you say that to get the equivalent coverage that you have you'd have to go outside the obama care exchanges and pay 40 to 50% more. just on a practical level, could you even afford that?
>> you know, the thing is, is that i'm in the same position that almost, i think there's 10 million of us here in california that have the individual, in the country, that have these individual policies. and so who can afford 40 or 50% more? and that's low balling it. some of the policies are 100% more. and not only it's more expensive, but you get far less. >> both sides in the debate are seizing on your story and this discussion. and those who defend obama care are saying that united's decision to pull out of the california individual market didn't have anything to do with obama care, right? they're saying something you're well aware of, they only had 8,000 policyholders in the state out of 2 million and back in july when they made the decision to pull out of the individual market they said our individual business in california has always been relatively small. over the years, it's become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for members.
as you just said, no one else is offering a similar plan for the same price as far as you've been able to find. so are you convinced obama care is the reason your policy was cancelled? >> i'm glad you brought this up. a tweet was sent out saying that this was the real reason this cancer patient's policy was canceled. basically it said that competition is driving united health care from the market. however, it's interesting. i wanted to read this. i wanted to know what the real reason was. and basically, the real reason was, as stated by dave jones, the insurance commissioner here in california, he said united health care and aetna were at a tax disadvantage? that's political cronyism. >> the tax advantage could be part of the problem.
but i guess the real question is, when we're talking about whether obama care is the problem here, you're saying you've gone through the entire market, the exchanges with obama care and the plans available outside of obama care and you're saying categorically that you can't find the plan that you have now or anything similar for the same cost, period? >> absolutely. categorically, i am saying that. i know that for a fact. just like when i was hit with a curve ball called terminal cancer, stage four cancer, i had to be quick. i had to be thorough. and i had to act. and so when my policies canceled, i have to be the same. i have to be attentive, pay attention and really get down to the nuts and bolts of it to make sure, because i am alive for just a couple of reasons. i'm alive because i'm really, really lucky, and i'm blessed. and part of that luck and that
blessing has been my doctors and my health care policy. and i am alive for a very large extent because i can control who i chose to provide medical coverage and where that medical coverage was coming from. and control is life. when you're talking about your health, especially catastrophic disease. i have to be able to see people in other -- because i have a rare disease, and i have a very vicious disease called gallbladder cancer. and less than.8% of us are alive in 8 years. i'm almost at 8 years. i will be in another year. and god willing, i will still be alive, but i will only be alive if i can, when it hits again, when i can respond quickly. and i don't know where i'm going to need to go. i may need to go back to md anderson cancer center in houston. i definitely will be at stanford cancer center because they have worked this wonderful miracle
with my life. and or i may have to go someplace else. i need a policy that gives me what united health care gave me for the last seven years. >> thanks very much to edie. now we tried to explore edie's options ourselves which required knowing her income, she was uncomfortable providing us with that information. still out front, wait till you hear what workers were doing on overtime. for the first time you're going to see one whistle-blower's face. why is a mayor of a major city apologizing if he didn't do anything wrong? the video that could end his career. and michelle knight was held captive for a decade. tonight. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the flexcare platinum.
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>> reporter: they were supposed to help protect america's border. but some homeland security agents can't even be trusted with the nation's wallet. >> they decided to pickpocket uncle sam. >> reporter: jose is one of seven employees blowing the whistle on his co-workers at dhs. >> i knew it was my duty to report the fraud. >> reporter: the whistle-blowers say they are charging for unearned work. it added up to managers making an extra 34 grand and 27 employees put in for nearly $700,000. >> they feel entitled to this payment, like a perk. >> reporter: this special pot of overtime is meant for urgent work, like agents going after an undocumented immigrant on the border.
but the abusers earned their ot by watching sports, catching up on netflix and commuting to work. jose claims he couldn't tell his bosses, because well, they were in on it too. >> supervisors were benefitting themselves from the uncontrollable overtime. >> reporter: carolyn is from the office of special counsel which investigated the claims. her office produced a report that's been sent to the white house. >> it's definitely disturbing. >> reporter: the cheating is so pervasive employers called the overtime pot the candy bowl. managers were putting this overtime into the recruiting pitch. they weren't even trying to hide it. >> it's suggested that it's become entrenched. >> reporter: this isn't just a few bad apples. they are accused from abusing overtime from headquarters to border stations in texas and california. how many billions of dollars do
you think taxpayers have lost in all this? >> the estimate is tens of millions of dollars annually. and this has been going on for a while. so it's potentially quite a serious waste. >> reporter: yeah, it's a problem and one that dhs says yeah, we get it. we take seriously the responsibility to ensure proper use of taxpayer funds. misuse of these funds is not tolerated. it is part of our ongoing commitment to reducing waste and abuse, the acting secretary has requested a comprehensive department-wide review. the problem is they requested a similar review about five years ago when a couple offices up in washington state got busted for similar overtime abuse. that's probably why some on capitol hill are saying, look, that's good, but it's not going to be enough. senator ayotte is calling for a full investigation. >> thank you very much.
tens of millions of dollars. it starts to really add up. our third story out front is the unimaginable abuse suffered by michelle knight. she opens up about the hell that she, amanda berry and geena dejesus endured at the hands of ariel castro during their nearly ten years in captivity. here's what she told dr. phil. >> he gets you in this room. what did he tie you up with? >> one of those orange extension cords. i was tied up like a fish, an ornament on the wall. that's the only way i could describe it. i was hanging like this. my feet, and i was tied by my neck and my arms with the extension cord going like that. >> oh, my god. >> so he tied your hands and feet and also around your neck? and hung you?
>> scott is an is investigative reporter from woio. you've been on top of this story since the beginning. until now, we haven't heard much about the specifics, the abuse these women have suffered. what have you been learning about the conditions these girls endured? >> reporter: well, really the first time i heard that, i was extremely disturbed. it's some of the details that we started to learn when they first got out of the house that all three girls were brought in the house, one at a time, 2002, 2003, 2004. they were attacked right away by ariel castro. he continued to beat them throughout the years. and the first couple of years they actually had them down in the basement and eventually moved them up. and i think that's what we're going to hear with dr. phil in his interview. also that michelle, i believe, shares where he actually grabbed ariel castro grabbed her at that
family dollar store that we talked about before on clark avenue here in cleveland. he said in his letter in 2004 that he just bumped into her and took her and got her into the house. but we now know that he offered a small puppy to michelle knight's little boy. and remember, michelle and a little boy were separated when he was only two. and that's the reason why she went into that house to begin with. >> now, scott, after michelle was rescued, she was being cared for i know for a while by the family of gina dejesus. why is she speaking out now? is there a falling out with the other two women? gina and amanda are now writing a book together without michelle. >> i think they were all on board at first to hake some type of deal for a movie, a book, an interview. i think amanda berry was the reluctant one. she finally came on board. but she said for quite some time she didn't want to talk about it because of her young daughter. she didn't want to affect her
young daughter. i think michelle broke away from the two just because she's really independent. she's the one who's been the face of this story. and to begin with, i think she was actually out in public. and we just didn't recognize her. remember, we didn't see all three girls until months later in that video. and then when i walked into that sentencing hearing i still didn't recognize michelle because she is a tiny woman. she was able to walk around in public for quite some time before the other two girls were confident to go out. she was being housed outside of cleveland at somebody's home. and she, i believe she's still there. so she wasn't really in cleveland where the media could pounce on her like the other two young ladies. >> well, scott, thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time. and news just in on the shooting at los angeles airport. did mississippi stopping this attack by just minutes? and
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bullying could cost a nfl player his $13 million job. the miami dolphins are deciding the future of their guard richie incognito. but the punishment may not add up, at least according to one of incognito's teammates. >> there's certain traditions, when rookies come in, they'll take their position group or the offense or the defense out to dinner and foot the bill. but that's more of a rite of passage, and i wouldn't consider that hazing. the nfl's not for everyone. i had these expectations about what the nfl would be. once i got there, it wasn't what i thought. >> now john zarrella is out front. when you hear this, somebody can be fired a $13 million job, what could have been in those voice mails and text messages?
>> reporter: according to espn and nfl.com, this is the text of the voice messages left for jonathan martin. i'm quoting here. hey, what's up, you half blank piece of blank. i saw you on twitter. you have been training ten weeks. i'll blank in your blank mouth. i'm going to slap your real mother across the face. blank you. you're still a rookie. i'll kill you. now this is all coming out a week after jonathan martin suddenly left dolphins' camp last monday and has been gone ever since. erin? >> now i hear that. it's almost impossible to imagine. then you wonder if this is the way they all interact. it's hard to understand it. it's unprecedented for a player to get cut for bullying. so are the dolphins actually going to do it? >> reporter: right now incognito is on the reserve suspended list.
the coach wouldn't address the futures of either of the players. but he did say he would not tolerate anything like this going on in the workplace. >> if the review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, i will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is. >> reporter: now i talked to several players after that press conference in the dolphins' locker room. and all of them said to me, look, we feel like this locker room has a very good environment. and in fact, one of the players went so far as to say he loved richie incognito. and he said that was richie just being richie probably and would like richie to be back on the team. so right now the dolphins preparing for a game week from sunday, monday, against tampa bay. that's their focus, they say, and most of them saying they would welcome both players back to the team.
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against president rouhani's talks with america. this comes on the 34th anniversary of the 1979 takeover of the embassy. now protesters burned american flags, held up anti-american posters, defacing president obama and the statue of liberty. the embattled toronto mayor accused of smoking crack -- he admitted doing a lot of stupid things, and as for the actual crack smoking on that video? >> i want the police chief bill blair to release this video for every single person in the city to see. that is the right thing to do, and, chief, i'm asking you to release this video now. >> so standing by his side of things, the toronto police tell out front they are not releasing the video because it is evidence in a current court case.
one of the injured tsa officers spoke out for the first time talking about his encounter with the gunman after helping an elderly man to a safe area. >> i turned around and there was a gunman who shot me twice. i was shot in the foot. after i was shot i got to the area where the planes were at. and people were coming towards me and asking me, you know, were you shot, what's going on. i was like, and i, all i could think about was, you know, helping them, you know, i may be injured right now, but the concern is really to take care of you. >> that comes on the heels of new information that police visited the alleged gunman's apartment the day of the shooting. they got a tip. but it turns out they missed him. and the chance to save a live by just minutes. stephanie elam is out front.
>> reporter: not long before the deadly shooting at los angeles international airport, paul ciancia sent his family messages, some suggesting that he would commit suicide. the family alerted authorities who asked lapd to do a welfare check. they responded within six minutes of getting that call, but it was still too late. >> this was after the incident occurred, and it's dozens of miles away from where lax is, so our officers didn't make the connection. >> reporter: but ciancia was already gone. we spoke exclusively to a woman who knows ciancia and his roommates. >> their third roommate comes back and says i just dropped paul at lax. and they just knew. i think he just dropped off paul to a shooting. >> reporter: he entered the
terminal armed with an assault rifle and five magazines of ammunition. they recovered a handwritten note on ciancia that made it clear he was out to kill tsa officers. he shot geraldo hernandez at point blank range. then he went up an escalator. but after spotting hernandez still moving on the floor, he doubled back to shoot him again, killing hernandez. >> there was a pause. so i looked down the escalator, and i saw the gunman. he had his gun trained on the guy on the wall there, and he shot him twice. >> reporter: in the end, two more tsa officers and a traveler were hit. lax police shot ciancia several times in the face and neck. he's alive but remains unresponsive. the woman who knows him and his roommates says he was socially awkward and had expressed strong feelings about the u.s. government.
>> he was very upset and he thought that tsa abused their power. >> reporter: as for paul ciancia, his family expressed sorry for his actions. >> paul is our son and brother. we will continue to love him and care for him. we will support him during the difficult times ahead. while we do not mean to minimize the grief and distress experienced by many other family, we hope that the public will understand that this is a very difficult time for our family too. >> reporter: and in light of the shooting, erin, a union that represents the tsa officers is now calling for another group of tsa officers who are armed and able to arrest travelers. they were saying that they would need extra training. but in light of all the kinds of people that these people encounter in their jobs that they need that extra security. erin? >> stephanie, thank you very much. and let us know what you think. should the tsa have more security, have the right to have guns? would that solve any of this. we are learning more about the
alleged gunman, paul ciancia and why he may have been target being tsa officers specifically. according to the latest we have from the fbi, investigators found a note from ciancia that made it clear he wanted to kill tsa officers. now he said he acted alone, but was he part of an anti-government group that is rising in popularity across the united states? as in, could this happen again? out front tonight, a senior fellow at the law center and michael medved. you spend your entire life tracking these things. you say he appears to be in line with a patriot movement, very important word there, patriot, which believes that the federal government wants to destroy freedoms, impose martial law and take away non-law enforcement weapons.
are you convinced that ciancia was part of this movement? >> no, i think convinced would be a little strong. we learned over the weekend that there were some other references in his one page, handwritten note. he talked about the new world order. he talked about fiat currency and the federal reserve. in the world of the patriot groups or what we used to call the militia groups, those things all relate to a single conspiracy theory. the idea that american freedom -- well, really that there's a plot on the part of the government to create a one-world government, a socialistic totalitarian government regime to be called the new world order. they equate that to the formation of the federal reserve in 1913 and the subsequent abolition of gold-backed money, the adoption of fiat money, meaning paper money that is not backed by gold.
so we don't have any evidence that ciancia was a part of the group. we have nothing like that. we don't know where he may have been in the years leading up to now. it's simply that kind of language in the note that he left. he also, we learned, had some very personal attacks on janet napolitano. >> i want to ask about that, but michael, first, let me ask you. when people watching who aren't following these radical groups hear words like the federal reserve and gold, whether u.s. currency should be backed by gold, they tend to think of more mainstream it group, perhaps tea partiers, libertarian whose also use those terms as well. now, so respond to that has to whether those more mainstream but still a little bit on the, right wing groups are in a sense
encouraging these more radicals. >> right, i think it's completely unfair. and one of the things mark has been a guest on my radio show, and we've debated this at the time. i don't think it's fair to conflate the so-called militia groups with groups that describe themselves as patriots. patriot is not a bad word. there's a very mainstream group that has millions of members called the tea party patriots. that has nothing to do -- we have no evidence at all that paul ciancia was involved with them. they have never encouraged violence. and that's the important thing here. the important thing is to draw a line between people who are fringe groups who believe for instance that everything bad that happens in america is part of a massive conspiracy, including september 11 was an inside job and people were obsessed about the kennedy assassination, but not everyone who was interested in those kinds of theories is somebody who is likely to engage in this sort of violence. and i think what you find here is the key element is mental illness. this is a guy who was clearly mentally ill. >> and his parents have tried to
reach out and get help on that and were refused. according to your research, the patriot movement has surged since president obama took office. 149 groups linked to that. when he started, more 1300. do you think this is rooted in racism? >> i'm not alleging that this man is connected to the tea party patriots or any tea party group at all. the militia movement commonly does refer to itself as the patriot movement or sometimes the christian patriot movement. so i'm merely using the language of much more extreme groups than the tea party world. so i want to be clear about that. yes. this attack -- >> the word patriot -- >> i mean, the growth has been just astounding. and it really did begin in the fall of 2008, the beginning of 2009.
in other words, precisely when our first black president is coming to power. so i think that one of the big drivers of this movement is not only the person of obama, black man in the white house, but the demographic change in our country that he represent, the idea that the white majority in this country will be lost in about 30 years. >> i think what you're doing is very dangerous and conspiratorial. you're talking about this horrible shooting, unforgivable. and we've had a whole series of them. washington navy yard, aurora, virtually none of them are politically involved and to all of a sudden use the word patriot which is a precious word, in the boston bombings, they were celebrate being patriot's day. i am not willing to give up the use of the word patriot to characterize very, very fringe groups, as which you say there
is no evidence is involved here. and try to tar people with this right after a terrible shooting like this when the clear problem is mental illness. i think it's irresponsible with all due respect, mark. >> thank you very much to all of you. up next, edward snowden writes a manifesto and says he has proof he did nothing wrong. talk about whether someone's a patriot or not. that's the question. and later, a true american hero, iron man come to life in the pentagon right now u and a shout out. singer rheanna has done something she's never done before. her current number one is the monster. a collaboration with rapper eminem. our story out front, nsa leaker, edward snowden is on the ♪ as your life and career change, fidelity is there
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department of defense say that the leaking is justified. in a letter published in the german magazine, snowden says he is not the problem, it is the nsa. and he writes, citizens have to fight against the oppression. those who speak the truth are not committing a crime. a former cia operative, and ray mcgovern, a former cia analyst, great to have you both with us. let me start with you. snowden says the leaks are justified, fair? >> no, here is the problem, you can't work for the government and have a security clearance and wake up one day and decide to spill your guts. if we started down that road, where would it all stop? it would be the end of the nsa, the security force, the problem is he didn't have a venue where his complaints would be listened to.
he couldn't take it to the senator house, he would have been ignored. and it is really the congress' fault, they need reform. >> and ray, let me ask you this, you hear bob saying if you go down this path where does it stop? it could be the end of the security. you are obviously on a different side of this. what about bob's point? you know, you do this, and you kind of heroize something like this. what do you do at the end of the road? >> i turn it around, if you don't do something, you're approaching what snowden called turn-key tyranny. 50 years ago, i took an oath to defend the constitution, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. so did snowden, it shouldn't be curious that he took that oath seriously.
the constitution says the right of the people to be secure from unreasonable searches and seizures. and no, shall not be violated. and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause and oath or affirmation. and particularly describing the place to be searched and things to be seized. >> but how is this leaking this publicly to the whole world and other governments upholding his vow to the constitution government? >> well, his vow was to the constitution, erin, not to the government. there is a big, big difference, the fourth amendment -- >> or to your country, how is leaking to other governments upholding a promise to your country? >> we don't swear an oath to our country, we swear it to the constitution, it is a written piece of paper. that is what makes our country different, when you see the document being shredded,
complicit in this violation, somebody needs to speak out. and that is what snowden did. >> bob, what do you say to that? >> well, i think we need to find out exactly what the nsa agency did. did it break the law? and right now there is no clarity. you know, the accusation in journalism is they have been running algorithms, and if that is true, they should be held accountable. you know, we do need clarity on how far it went. and does congress know? have they done an independent audit on what the nsa agency was looking into? no, not so far, and they should. >> so do you think -- what about snowden's leaks, bob, do you think he has been working with foreign governments, or is that allegation, to your view at this point, also not clear?
>> well, erin, the promise -- i spent so many years up against the russians. and in that world, when someone goes to moscow, they're presumed guilty. not the other way around. presumed innocent. so you know, i always look at it from a counterintelligence perspective. and i wish he had not gone to moscow, i wish he would have made his protests on the floor of the courthouse, there is no evidence he is a deflector, but i can assure you that the fbi and the cia are looking at that possibility, but again, there is no evidence. >> all right, appreciate your viewpoint, thanks so much to bob and ray. and up next, what would a real iron man suit look like? we'll show you the u.s. military is about to launch that very thing.
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the ability to repel bullets and armed with the ability to locate enemies with drones. you may think the iron man is totally farfetched, right? but the thing is it is a real idea that could hit the battlefield as early as next year. >> barbara starr has more. >> reporter: armor and weapon, helping him to protect the world. that is exactly what america's top commando wants when his men have to kick down the door. >> you just got to open the door, not knowing what is on the other side. he has to be in a position to be protected. >> reporter: mccraven has ordered up the light operator suit, better known as "the iron man" suit. better known as the lightweight
armor protection, possibly with battery power flowing through it, to give a soldier an extraordinary ability to move faster and operate longer in battle. a former navy s.e.a.l. says it could make the suit even better. >> it will take a green beret, a delta force guy, and push him into another level. what people don't realize is all of these technologies exist already. but they exist separately. so they're taking them all and putting them together and adding pretty cool things like liquid armor, that becomes hardened in just a second. >> there are plenty of ideas, images from drones or satellites over head, right into the helmet display, and flexible toe to toe protection so troops can move closer to the enemy. >> if they can work out the bugs and get it to where it is functional. it will allow, take a group of guys who are already extremely high functioning on the battlefield and make them completely unstoppable. >> mccraven wants the first version of the iron man suit within a year.
for "out front," barbara starr. >> they are estimating what it will cost, but the iron man suit could cost $7 billion. this is "piers morgan live." big one is of course in 2016. all the smart money is now saying that chris christie will run, especially if he does what people expect tomorrow. but his tough talk is raising some eyebrows. did chris christie call newt gingrich a joke that couldn't be taken seriously? >> well, tonight for the first time you will be live with me to fire back. look at him, looking angry, i can promise it will be lively and absolutely no holds barred.