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>> at 44, an old guy. one thing is, you have all these injuries taking place in the national football league. primarily because you have a lot of read option type situations going on in offenses and starting -- going into today's game for instance, you have 11 teams that started their back-up quarterback at least once. but the other thing is this. outside of the big six or seven quarter backs, let's face it. there aren't that many good quarter backs out there. you and i probably could be a third string quarterback for a lot of these nfl teams. >> speak for yourself. >> you look like you're in pretty good shape. >> maybe a relay runner. but i've had enough head injuries too. so thank you. appreciate it, terrence. good to talk to you. i'm don lemon. "newsroom" begins right now.
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hello, everyone. top of the hour. 7:00 here in the east. you're in the newsroom. i'm don lemon. scandal involving president, nsa and german president angela merkel deepens. information that obama knew about the phone tap foggiping f years. it may have started as early as 2002. erin? >> reporter: don, general keith alexander told president obama about tapping chancellor perkel's phone in 2010. now the nsa denies that piece of it. a spokesman told us today quote general alexander did not discuss with president obama in 2010 an alleged foreign operations involving german chancellor merkel nor did he
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ev ever -- alexander and the president didn't talk about it. we don't know all the details yet or whether the president actually knew this was happening in the first place. of course germany is demanding answers and sending a delegation to the united states in coming weeks. the german interior minister says the alallegations are true. it is possible the united states broke the law and they want someone to be held accountable. and he said german confidence in the united states, one of their closest jl eye says shaken. now politicians on both sides of the aisle are conceding that there may be tension with our allies but they're basically defending these practices and that's including republican mike rogers. he chairs the house intelligence committee and here's what he told cnn's candy crowley this morning. >> it may be accurate, it is overseen and we need to make sure we're not collecting information we don't need but we should collect information that's helpful to the united states interest. >> and of course, hillary clinton tried to explain the
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importance of these surveillance programs as well over the weekend. don? >> all right, erin, thank you very much. earlier i spoke to bob bayer who says spying on ally says nothing new. but is the information gained from tapping the phones of our allies worth it? i asked him. >> now the national security agencies always sikd up phone calls from all around the world, much of it's accidental. much of it's discarded. you did pick up prime ministers and presidents at some point or another. occasionally you got a piece of intelligence out of it. but for the national security agency, always incidental and it wasn't much paid attention to. i think what's new now is it's been made so graphically evident just how big this collection program is. and frankly, i think listening to merkel's phone, if in fact that happened, and it sounds like it did, we didn't get much
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intelligence out of it. >> former cia operative bob bayer. a grizzly discovery in new york city. a mother and her four young children found late last night all stabbed to death in an apartment in prok lynbrook lin. brooklyn. i want it turn to rosa floeres with details. what do we know? >> intense leading up to this killing. police tell us the mother of those children calling her husband for help. then called her mother-in-law and china when help did arrive, folks, police found a slaughter house. they arrested 25-year-old ming dong chin. here is what we know. 37-year-old mother and her four children, ages nine to one, found dead inside her brooklyn apartment. police say with apparent stab wounds to their upper body. the man charged for the killings is 25-year-old ming dong chin who is the cousin of the slain woman's husband. he had been staying at their
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home for about eight to ten days and then the unexpected happened. you have, like i said, a woman, a male and two daughters cut and butchered with a kitchen knife. we have the knife. the perpetrator made statements alluding that he utilized the knife to commit the act. >> police recovered that butcher knife from the scene. a pair of scissors were also found. no word if ne were used. ming dong chin faces multiple charges including murder 1. four counts of murder 2. and assaulting an officer. police tell us that assault allege lid happened when he was being booked. no word on motive. police say he has made incriminating comments. this is still under investigation, don. >> where is this suspect from? what is he doing in brooklyn? >> authorities tell us he moved
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to the united states in 2004. and since then, moving frarnd one address to another. he had been here in brooklyn before. most recently for eight to ten days and that's all we know about him. so they're talking to him with an interpreter. because he only speaks mandarin. they tell us he made inkrem nating comments and again, all under investigation and i assume we will learn more soon. >> rosa will be following this for us. rosa, thank you, we appreciate it. >> mourpers are attending a wake. the body of 24-year-old colleen ritzer found dumped in the woods outside the high school tuesday. one of her student, phillip chris em has been charged in her killing. her funeral will be held there tomorrow. >> who trouble for entertainer on chris brown. r and b singer in jail.
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charged with assault outside with washington hotel. brown punched a man interested in getting a pitcher. brown's bodyguard also arrested. the alleged victim out of the hospital. brown was on probation for beating his ex girlfriend, rihanna. any run-ins with the law could get him extended jail time. >> another musician, dead at age 71. reed was as important a song writer as more commercially successful icons such as mccartney, lennon and dylan. any details about reed's death? >> we still don't know the official cause of death. we do know a few month ace go he under went a liver transplant.
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we also know over the years, dangerous, serious drug is since the '60s and the toll that that can take on your liver. we don't know if that's directly relate need his death this weekend. he was seen walking the streets of new york. we know he was doing reasonably well there and in interviews and on his website. his wife said he hoped for a full recovery but we did learn this weekend that he has died. >> you know we have the liver transplant earlier this year. he made no secret. of his drug abuse which you reference earlier. >> right. all in his songs, one of his songs of the late wo60s, called "heroin." a lot of his songs laced with drug ref raenss. >> thanks you very much. next a live conversation with
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and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit or call 1-800-medicare i want you to watch this. because for those of you who know lou reed, you know his legacy. amazing. for those of you who don't, you will learn something right now. many owe a huge debt to reed and the band he founded in the 1960s. velvet underground. wrote about darker themes like drugs, street hustling, sexual deviancy, while many contemporaries sang about peace, love and understanding. maureen tucker was their drummer. he is on the phone from her home in georgia. thank you so much for joining us. how are you doing? >> caller: kind of weird. i'm not sure how i'm doing at
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all. >> yeah. kinda weird. that's a good way of putting it. when is last time you spoke to lou? >> caller: within a couple years. we didn't see each other a lot. as you said, i'm in georgia. he is in new york. we can't really -- not never, but we didn't see each other very often. >> tell us about him. a lot of people don't know his legacy. especially what we call punk rock. people don't realize. tell us about him. he certainly influenced, probably millions of people. into a number of things, into maybe reading more. into playing music. and when i have been on tour,
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kids have 15 years old to 60-year-olds commenting on how much they were influenced by lou and the velvets. so it is far-reaching. >> did you have any idea at all, when people are phenomenons, famous, do something just amazing, have a huge television show, like carroll o'connor did, like all in the family. did you have any idea back then, that we would be talking about this 50 years later, that velvet would be this iconic band. >> no, no, not at all. we all believed in the music and loved it. but, no. i don't think anybody who's doing something artistic, writing or painting or whatever, thinks well, in 20 years, i'll be famous.
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no, we did not think that. we had fans who made us realize it was worth it. but we didn't have it when we were together. actively, we didn't have a big splash like the doors or whatever. >> did you learn from him? did he learn from you? what was it like working with him and andy warhol? >> excuse me? >> what was it like working with him and warhol? >> working with lou sometimes could be trying. never to me, that's for sure. never to me. but to some other people. i guess we learned from each other. we all learned from each other without even realizing it. and andy was certainly fun. i add lot of fun in those days. what do you want people to remember or know about him? >> that lou was generous,
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encouraging, thoughtful. i loved him very much. >> maureen, tucker. thank you. peace be with you, okay? >> thank you, very much. >> i want to move on now to another story. happening right now in britain, a powerful storm, packing hurricane force winds. sweeping across the uk and heading towards london. the storm could be britain's worse in a decade. and cause chaos for tours and travellers tomorrow. cnn is in southern england right now. tell us what the conditions are where you are. >> reporter: hi, don. the storm has definitely arrived here at lime regis. the rain is heavy. winds are strong. around 45 miles per hour at the moment. that according to a spokesperson i talked to, conditions are expected to get worse as the night progresses. so far, as you can see around me. people seem to be heeding the government's advice to stay indoors, stay off the roads,
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though it is around 11:00 at night. you wouldn't expect that many people to be out anyway. the real concern though for officials they tell me is the wind. now, normally they say you would see this kind of system in the winter. the problem with seeing it in the fall is the ground is saturated. trees still have leaves which leaves plenty of opportunity for roads to be blocked, external damage. there have been comparisons between this storm and great storm of 1987 that happened here in the uk and france around dozens of people died billions in damage though. officials i talked to did not expect conditions to be that bad, don. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you. stay safe out there. the controversial call ending game three of the world series. that report is next. jay-z releasees a statement reacting to racial profile charges at barney's. kes you dift is what makes us different.
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baseball fans will be talking about the big drama on the diamond for years. many haven't heard about the major league rules about obstruction. but last night, everyone got a crash course. here is cnn's nick la vensa. >> tough yay to have a game end. >> one of the most bizarre end to any baseball game. not to mention a pivotal game in
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the world series. on saturday night with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, this happened. >> a rare obstruction call to end the game. giving the st. louis cardinals a 2-1 edge on the series. >> he is on the ground. if he tries to raise up, he is clearly getting in his way. for craig to advance to heme plate. but he got tangled up with him and that was the call. >> we didn't think there was any obstruction there. i was inside the baseline. had to dive for it. as i'm getting up, he trips over me. i don't know what else to say. >> after the game, rare press conference. the umpire defended his call. >> the base runner has every right to go unon strukted to home plate and unfortunately for middlebrooks, he was right there. and there was contact. and so, he could not advance to home plate naturally. >> at home plate, the red sox storm the field to argue. while elated cardinals players ran to celebrate. both sides thought they were right.
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>> last night was history. an obstruction walk-off. >> jesse sanchez writes for last night, he was in the middle of the madness. baseball traditionalist, he thought it was the right call. >> these are the rules of the game and really the rules apply all year long. and you can't change that. doesn't matter what point of the season you are in. this will be one of those bizarre moments in history p. >> now this isn't the first time jim joyce has been in the middle after controversy call. back in 2010, joyce's blown call at first base that ruined what would have been a perfect game for galarraga. after the game, joyce gave a tearful for his part. galarraga kept it classy, saying, nobody's perfect. nick valencia, cnn, atlanta. >> thank you. serena williams is unstoppable again. beating back a challenge to win
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the championships today. the superstar just completed her most dominant season ever. veen why williams won the french open and u.s. open this year. i mean, she is just on a high here. according to forbs, williams smashed all time earnings record for women's tennis this year. she raked in $12.4 million this season. you go, girl. if you missed it yesterday, history was made in nascar. darryl wallace junior bake the first to win a race in nearly 50 years. joe gibbs says wallace has tremendous talent and they believe there could be a huge on the sport. wendel scott in 1963. rap star jay-z speaking out on a lawsuit at an angry store. angry fans have asked hum to end
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tapping the fon of german chancellor merkel for years. they say the president knew all
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along but the nsa is denying that. five people and two dogs found shot to death. the suspect's body was found in the apartment next door. police are not releasing the name. police are trying to find a possible motive in that one. an apparent murder/suicide involving a police officer, firefighter and love triangle. three people were found dead inside a suburban home including the suspect, a baltimore police officer. authorities say the 37-year-old officer burst into the home. shot and killed his ex girlfriend and firefighter and then took his own life. apparently his ex girlfriend recently started dating the firefighter. >> the operator after carnival ride that injured several people has been arrested.
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investigators found tampering. the operator faces three counts of felony assault. breaking up with a catcher maker after a 40-year relationship wsh ditching heinz catchup citing management changes. mcdonald's and burger king of course, long time fast-food rivals, mcdonald's using heinz in pittsburgh and the u.s. sopela island is a tiny community. 50 people all descendant of slaves, its land virtually unspoiled for generations. that is until the tourists showed up. one outsider especially unwelcomed the tax man who raised taxes as much as 600% on residents. as cnn's david mattingly
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explained, they put their lives and futures in jeopardy. >> slave descendant on georgia's sapalo island held on to their land since the end of the civil war. the island reveals a humble lifestyle. under had shade of a sprawling live oaks and curtains spanish moss but also a desperation here. >> what were the taxes before? >> $2036 total. >> what did they go up to $10,836. >> reginald saw the taxes on his land increase overnight. spiked by demand for expensive i have vacation life on this undeveloped island. >> how basic is it here. >> as basic as it gets. >> a place scenery rich but job poor. >> what are you getting for your
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tax money? >> nothing. >> there are no paved roads. no schools and the only ferry to the island doesn't run at night. that hasn't stopped outsiders with affordable taxes with the fall-out. >> once we move the land through this strategy, of increasing taxes, we have fallen as a people. >> these residents are descendants of the hundreds of slaves brought to sapalo from west africa in the 1800s. >> they are living remnants of what's known as the gilicichi culture. some of them still live here. >> that's what built this country. the only intact gilicichi community that's left.
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>> core kneecornelia bailey is of the generations. >> residents saying they get no help from county officials. we today hop the ferry back to the mainland where answers were unusually hard to come by. no county official we approach wo would agree to talk to us on camera or return our calls. we were able to reach the head of the tax assessor's board who said that when it comes to preserving the culture on sapalo and taxes, they are just following state law. tax assessor board chairman james larkin assess the residents brought this on themselves saying if they hadn't started selling their property, there wouldn't be a problem. do you buy that? >> not at all. >> a group of residents plans to sue and state and federal courts. reginald hall is fifth generation sapalo. >> what do you think about when you come out here? >> my grandmother.
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>> can't help but get emotional, thinking about how the struggles of the past can be forgotten. >> they humbled themselves. most of the times in certain disgrace, and weren't allowed to live. they were only allowed to survive. and the fight for survival continues. with hopes there will be future generations calling the island home. david mattingly, cnn, sapalo island, georgia. >> very emotional story. >> best of luck to them. >> we are looking for killer whales in the pacific. it can be dangerous and you don't want to miss what our martin savidge found out in his guide. >>
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saying negotiating with president al-assad's regime would be an act of treason making them traitors to the revolution. the guerrilla group released an american hostage who spent more than four months in captivity. rebels captured kevin scott suit while backpacking through the country in june. his case through attention from the reverend jesse jackson who pushed for his release during trip to cuba last month. he is in good health and will be reunited with his family soon. civilians have long been a key strategy of the rebel group. bulgarian woman with up to ten children is confirmed as biological mother of maria. that's a girl found in greece.
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she appeared on tv saying she only had the best intentions for her daughter. >> translator: i want her with me. i don't want her to live if greece. no one was with me when i gave birth. a woman lied to me, said she would take care of maria like i would have. do you know how i felt when i saw her dancing and begging, her hands dirty. i've never allowed any one of my children to go begging. >> greek authorities charged a couple living in groeece with abducting the child. authorities have produced no evidence that was the case with maria. given the chance to swim with whales in the ocean, most would go the other way. not martin savidge though. with modern technology, here is what he found. >> i'm looking for killer whales. and told andrew skinner of great pacific adventures is the man i have to see.
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>> we were hoping we could go out and see if there were any wheels. >> objector is late season for late killer whale watching. i'm going to need some luck. and something else. >> the suites that keep me dry, because in the boat we're taking, there is a good chance of getting wet. >> it is a 30-foot inflatable with two twin outboards capable of highway speeds. andrew drives, with a network of spotters with sea plane spotters and other boats. not long before i get my first glimpse. >> there it is. >> they're not killer whales but humpbacks. >> you will see that back come up, then maybe the tail will follow. >> we push on, cruising past a couple of rocky islands catching a chorus from another sort of sea life. >> it is during a break on shore we get the call we've waited for. >> what direction are they
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headed? >> a pod of killer whales who spotted to the north. more than half an hour away. and with the day growing late, we have to move fast. >> looking for killer whales can be a, well, high speed pursuit sometimes. these boats can go up to 15 miles an hour. with the temperature of the ocean at 48 degrees. wind chill produces air. >> when we get there, only thing we see is waves. sudden pli, there they are. tall dors ill fin, rising out of the water. smaller females nearby. for our protection we don't get any closer than 100 yards. when they suddenly swim toward us, we wait wait. they pass a few feet away. >> we follow the pod as they make several dives before finally calling it a day. >> there you can see the golden sun setting on the horizon there.
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>> like these wild orchids, heading off into the sunset. >> martin savidge, cnn, victoria, canada. >> very nice, martin. following the history of killer whales in captivity, leading up to the death of sea world trainener 2010. make sure to watch "blackfish" tonight at 9:00 eastern on krp. dr. conrad murray leaves jail. o.j. simpson, his florida mansion hits the auction block. and the president hits the road for obama care. those stories and more ahead. fiber that's taste-free, grit-free and dissolves completely. so you can feel free to add it to anything. and feel better about doing it. better it with benefiber. this is the creamy chicken corn chowder. i mean, look at it. so indulgent. did i tell you i am on the...
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with your weekly five, the doctor blamed with the death of michael jackson gets out of jail on monday. conrad murray says he wants to go back to houston to practice medicine again. his quest is a long shot. texas revoked murray's medical license this past summer and will most likely not restore it. in the market for a mansion? tuesday o.j. simpson's lavish florida home hits the on-line auction block and nearly 5,000 square feet, it has four bedrooms, four banl rooms, and yes, a swimming pool. swimson still owes nearly 8 w l
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tuesday marks the one-year anniversary of superstorm sandy, after crashing through the caribbean, the powerful storm made landfall in southern new jersey, and destruction can still be seen and felt along the east coast. sandy killed 117 people in the u.s. alone and caused property damage in the billions of dollars. but how and why do some people bounce back from this kind of adversity better than others? cnn correspondent alexandra field has more now on the science behind resiliency. >> a lot can happen in a year. in good times, the madeleine chocolate factory chocks up a million pounds of chocolate. the spilled chocolate was the least of the problem, when
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superstorm sandy laid waste to the rockway's largest employer, all 450 workers lost their jobs. was there part of you that said let's just turn the lights off and walk away? >> more than once. >> reporter: the power never came back on at allie hagan's place. >> we had a beautiful front deck. >> reporter: her house in breezy point withstood the storm but it burned in the fire that torched her neighborhood after it seemed the worst had passed. >> i love you, love you, love you. >> reporter: in hopes that in another year she'll be back here, there's a word for people like her. >> it's one of those things that if you meet somebody who's resilient, you kind of know it. >> reporter: for more than 20 years, dr. dennis carney has been studying the science behind science. they tackled the question, why is it that some people seem to naturally bend without breaking? charney says it's partially genetic, but we can all learn to
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adopt traits that can make us more resilient, like optimism and altruism. >> people who are altruistic and give back to others, that helps them in their own recovery. >> reporter: consider the survivors of 9/11. or hurricane katrina. those who put others first. now consider the faces of superstorm sandy. >> many of these employers have been with us ten, 20, 30 years. >> reporter: knowing people were counting on him gave jorge the steam to get half of his chocolate factory back open. for allie hagan, it was about her neighbors. she helped organize a support group of sorts to rebuild together. >> oh, my goodness. we've had 50, 60 people. we have e-mail chains. we're talking to each other all the time. >> reporter: the studies increase the odds of weathering any of life's storms. >> you're working together as a
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team to overcome a community tragedy or a city tragedy. it makes it a lot easier. >> reporter: a lot happened to allie hagan last year, but she's determined to do a lot more next year. >> when are you coming home? >> we'll be home. >> when? >> we don't know yet. >> reporter: alexandra fields, cnn, new york. >> to read more stories of resilience from the survivors of hurricane sandy, make sure you check out the main page at turning now to some other stories. the president knew, that's the latest headlines splashed across german newspapers, claiming not only was the nsa tapping the phone of angela merkel for years, but that obama knew all along. the nsa denying those accusations. a man is in custody, charged in the stabbing deaths of a mother and young victims. police say the suspect is a cousin of the slain woman's husband. the motive still unclear at this
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hour. chris brown arrested, jailed, and charged with assault after a fight outside a d.c. hotel. the alleged victim says brown and his bodyguard punched him as he tried to get into a picture with the singer. brown is on probation for beating his ex-girlfriend rihanna. a violation could mean extended jail time. fans and fellow artists mourning the death of lou reid, the iconic writer, rocker, and poet influenced generations of musicians. no word yet on the cause of death. he had a liver transplant earlier this year. lou reed was 71 years old. here's video from a go-pro cam. i want you to watch new zealander and extreme mountain biker kelly mcgary. he does a jaw-dropping backflip over a canyon depth and sticks
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the landing. no way. well, he went airborne another two times during this run at the red bull rampage event in southern utah earlier this month. mcgary came in second and told reporters he was freaking out about the backflip, but he felt he had the speed, so he just went for it. one georgia cheerleader has a lot to cheer about. she is now in the guinness book of records, she's a record holder. this is a video that got her that record. 16-year-old mckayla clark broke the record for the most consecutive backhand springs. the previous one was 36. mckayla managing an incredible 44. can you guess what this is? that is a month-old zooey -- oh,
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look at that. from huntington beach, california, showing off her awesome new stick figure costume created by her father. dad, his name is royce. thank you for watching us. "blackfish" in one hour. make sure you tune in. anthony bourdain now. it's easily the most contentious piece of real estate in the world. and there's no hope, none, of ever talking about it without pissing somebody, if not everybody off. maybe that's why it's taken me so long to come here, a place where even the names of ordinary things are ferociously disputed. where f