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this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight you heard what trayvon martin's parents just told anderson cooper. >> it came as a complete shock to me, and the reason i say that is because i just look at people as people, and i thought for sure that the jury looked at trayvon as an average teenager that was minding his own business, that wasn't committing any crime, that was coming home from the store and were feet away from where he was actually going, and i just believe that they realized that, but when i heard the verdict, i kind of understand the disconnect and that maybe they didn't see trayvon as their son.
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they didn't see trayvon as a teenager. they didn't see trayvon as just a human being. >> now two african american minute sterps square off. one says any black child with a hoodie can be the next trayvon martin and the other says it's not white racism, it's black racism. one of the notorious crimes of the country, i'll talk to her tonight. a year since aurora but their love is forever. an exclusive with the couple that vowed not to let the shooting stop their wedding. >> he did kind of save me, so of course i would want to keep him around. [ laughter ] >> want to begin with trayvon martin's parents speaking out about the not guilty verdict for the man that killed their son. joining me now is martin family co-counsel. welcome back to the show. very emotional and hard hitting interviews that trayvon martin's parent haves given with anderson cooper.
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they seem very angry about this result. how are they going to find closure given they see such injustice here? >> i wouldn't say they are angry. they are disappointed and i think they are finding closure through the work they have been doing for the year and a half with the trayvon foundation. sabrina said it best when we talked to her after the verdict, she said she would not let this verdict define her son. she said she and the foundation will define who trayvon was. >> the prosecution went to great lengths to avoid saying this was about race but sybrina fulton said she did think it was about race, that trayvon was profiled because of the color of his skin. >> most people who are upset about this verdict believe it's about race. they believe it's about race. it's how you see things through your lenses. >> i want to play a clip from
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the interview where she talked directly about this subject. >> my older son, he likes to go out with his friends. he likes to go to the movies and things like that. i'm very afraid right now because i have no clue what to tell him. i have no clue if i should tell him to run or walk, if i should tell him to defend himself or just lay there. i have in clue to what to tell him. >> when you hear a mother talking like that, there will be a lot of mothers nodding saying what do you do. if trayvon martin was profiled by zimmerman because he looked suspicious because he wasn't moving fast enough and then suspicious because he began running, what does a teenage boy do to avoid the glare and attention from someone like george zimmerman in the future? >> the focus is now on what do we do to protect other kids so that does not happen? that's sabrina's focus. we have a law, like it or not,
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it's so confusing that the arrest -- the police didn't think they could arrest a killer of a child. i was so confusing we heard the juror she felt she couldn't convict the kill e of a child. if a law is so confusing you can't protect children, brown and black children, that law needs to go. >> i wanted to ask you about the juror that spoke to anderson cooper a few days ago, made it clear the jury didn't feel they knew enough about trayvon martin, particularly compared to what they knew about george zimmerman, who she kept calling george like they were on a cord guile relationship, which seemed odd to me. do you think the prosecution dropped the ball in that regard and they should have had more people talking about the human being trayvon was? >> no, i won't criticize the prosecution. you know, i think the problem -- if you ask me one thing missing from that trial, it was the real
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discussion about how race played a part in it. many people were allowed to ignore race. they wanted to ignore racial implications of why george zimmerman thought trayvon was suspicious and why he thought was a okay to follow trayvon with a gun and provoke him and why the jury felt it was okay after george zimmerman does that that try von did not have a right to defend himself. we won't second guess the jury, the jury has spoken but america has to deal with those questions. >> natalee jackson, thank you. >> thank you, piers. i want to turn to reverend liz walker. have a lot to say about the zimmerman verdict. welcome to you reverend walker. what is your view about what happened here? everyone in america has a view. you have a unique prospective. >> i agree with your last gust. i believe this is an issue about race. i believe it goes into racial
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profiling, how we look at young black children and a question how we look at violence and guns. so i think we have to have a broader conversation about all of this, and we always say let's talk about it, and then nobody wants to talk about it. we scream at each other, we don't listen each other, but i think it's time. it's way past time to start discussing a, our racial views in this country and how desperate they are, how different they are depending who they are and b, our violence, our violence in this country and how we can begin to address those two issues. >> it's quite clear from the interviews that trayvon martin's parents were giving today they were expecting at the very least a manslaughter conviction if they didn't get the second degree conviction. let's take a listen to what they said. >> we thought there was enough evidence there, no matter who
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was on that jury to convict him of second-degree murder. and when you think about it, i think that they just took into account what george zimmerman said was the truth. trayvon wasn't here to tell his story. but the mind set of that -- that juror, some of them had they minds made up. >> it's obvious they would be stunned by that verdict given i've interviewed them many times and descent people who have been through a terrible ordeal, their son was killed. race element of this is a contentious one. if trayvon martin had been a white teenager, there would be huge issues, wouldn't there about the rights of george zimmerman to self-defend in that situation. >> and i think that's exactly the issue. it's really about stand your ground. i mean, yes, race is a huge part of this. but i think we missed the point sometimes when we are going to, you know, fight at each other as
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opposed to the issue. this law, there is something really flawed about it and we need to know who is backing it, why they are backing it, why they have so much power and what we can do to break it down and stop that. so the enemy, i don't think is you and me but the law. >> right. >> and how we can change it. >> that's definitely how i feel about it. reverend walker, stay with me. i'll talk to other guests about trayvon martin. before i do that i want to ask you about the rolling stone cover of dzhokhar tsarnaev which caused controversy because you're a leader in most within strong emotions about this. what was your view of it? >> i was not nearly as upset as many of the people in boston are. i understand them, but as a former journalist i think rolling stone had the right to put this out because it sells magazines and newspapers, and they certainly have that right to do so. it was provocative and that's what it does. i would love to read the article and i think that's what they
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want me to do. but i'm very proud of boston to be riotously about it and we have every right to speak our views but i was not nearly as upset about it as many others were. >> stay with me, if you can, reverend walker. we'll come back to you in a moment. i want to bring in reverend jessie lee peterson. he's also the founder of the south central la tea party and a man who was himself accused in a racially charged case. raymond santana served eight years in a central park jogger case before being cleared in 2002. welcome to you both. reverend peterson, you said contentious things about all this. what is your view about the verdict? >> well, first, this case was not about race at all and what happened, you have the race hustlers and poverty pills like jesse jackson and al sharpton
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and others who turned it into a race issue in order to gain power and wealth. and you also have barack obama jumping into it by saying that if he had a son, he would look just like trayvon martin. and i thought that was insane for him to ever that type of comment. he only did that because he wanted to insight the anger of black americans and others. i've -- this case is about overturning stand your ground laws and also about more gun control law, getting more gun control law passed and it's about al sharp ton and jesse jackson and naacp and others using black americans by dividing the races, intimidating white people in order to gather more power or get more power and wealth. it's not about -- >> let me ask you this, though, if for argument sake the
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facebook billionaire owner mark zuckerberg famous for wearing hoodies, had he been walking where trayvon martin was at 7:00 at night on a rainy night and george zimmerman seen him, do you think he would have reacted the same way, got out of his car, pursued him and reported him and get into a struggle with him and ended up shooting him dead? >> if the situation that happened with trayvon and george had been the same? yes, it would -- the same outcome. i imagine the same outcome would have been the same -- >> you really think george zimmerman would have looked at a young white man in a hoodie and thought the same thing, that this guy is potential trouble? >> well, george zimmerman would have done whatever it took to protect himself. it didn't matter to george zimmerman the color of the man. and this notion that trayvon martin was some little innocent
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kid tiptoeing through the tulips and george zimmerman had nothing else to do but go out and kill him is a lie. it's an absolute lie. i think that for the people to mislead that are in control of this issue to mislead america in that manner, very dishonest people. trayvon martin was a thug. his parents know that. you know that. i know that -- >> don't you speak for me, sir. don't you speak for that -- >> heard that, as well. >> don't put words into my mouth. there is very little evidence trayvon martin is a thug. the only evidence of him being violent is the altercation with george zimmerman, ignored directions to follow him and got into an altercation and if you listen to the parents, they will tell you trayvon martin clearly felt in fear of his own safety. where are his rights for self-defense? >> trayvon martin is an example of what happens when these black boys and girls are raised in
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single parents household and if trayvon martin was such a good little kid tiptoeing through the tulips, why did they work so hard to keep his history out of the courtroom during the trial? if he was a good guy, they should have -- they would have been happy to present that evidence, but they kept it out because they know or they knew that trayvon martin was a thug and that's what it's about. he was a pot-smoking, he had been thrown out of school several times -- >> are you saying everyone that smokes pot in america is a thug? >> there were pictures on his facebook page of trayvon martin carrying -- having -- holding on to a gun, pot in front of him. this wasn't a good little kid. >> how do you know what he was like?
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how do you know? you're saying everyone in america that's ever taken cannabis or ever been pictured with a gun is a thug, is that your conclusion? >> before they took his information off of his facebook page, it was out there for everybody to see. >> where was it that he was a dangerous thug? >> i'm sorry? >> where it was evidenced that he was a dangerous thug? >> he had been in trouble before. he was not some innocent little kid tiptoeing -- >> so you keep saying. let me go to raymond santana because i find that quite offensive what i've been listening to because is there hard evidence trayvon martin was a thug. nothing i seen would suggest that. >> no. >> you went through an appalling episode in your life. you were called an urban terrorist, a rapist, you were stigmatized, one of the most reviral people in new york city and had your name cleared with the other members of the central park five. what do you think? >> i think trayvon martin at the
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end of the day was a 16-year-old kid. you know, the -- when they talk about the weed smoking and talk about -- >> he was 17 -- >> regardless, he was 16, he was a kid. >> he was 17. >> when you talk about -- when you talk about those images, that's used against juveniles to point a picture as they are uncontrollable and up to no good. that's the same thing they did to us. there were 400 articles written on us within the first weeks of that case. trying to paint this picture we were animals, which led people to believe that they could turn they back on us and whatever happened to us was okay and that's why we got convicted. the same thing happened in this case with trayvon martin. the jury had no relationship, they couldn't relate to trayvon martin. zimmerman, he stalked trayvon martin. you know, he was considered a community security, community security, you know, where was the training he went through to carry this gun. did he have an a uniform to
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indicate he was some type of authority figure? trayvon in the phone. >> caller:ed -- phone call, called him a cracker. he did the only thing that any other brown or black kid would do and that's run. >> piers, this -- >> okay -- >> without being honest -- >> no, you not being honest. >> just recently. >> wait a minute reverend peter. we'll take a break and come back. this is getting interesting now. dad. how did you get here?
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would you like for anything to president obama to do? >> at least go through it with a fine-tooth comb and ever sure all the ts were crossed and all the is were dotted because this is setting a terrible message -- it's sending out a terrible message to young teenagers. trayvon was talking too slow. so should they be walking too fast? so i don't think teenagers in whole know exactly what to do now. >> sybrina fulton speaking on cbs this morning. back with me reverend walker and
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jessie lee peterson and jessie santana. reverend walker, this idea trayvon martin was always a thug and therefore effectively got what was coming to him. that's striking coming from reverend peterson, what do you say to that? >> i respectfully disagree with reverend peterson. i moved as a ref land in this church in one of boston's toughest neighborhoods and there are hundreds of kids that look like trayvon martin and before i knew them and got to speak to them and hear concerns, i don't think i would have been quite as off the deep end as reverend peterson but i might have thought there was something wrong with them because they look tough. i think we have to get to know our kids and we have to raise their sense of worth. reverend peterson, i'm a little concerned if you're a minister that you are denigrating ourself worth as the people because
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there are a people that may look a little scary if you don't get to know them, but you have to get to know them. we're having a meeting with about 200 people that look like trayvon martin that will look about that battle and get into the gun control battle and -- >> i what i want to say -- >> sir, i'm not going to debate with you. you're way beyond my ability to handle. i'm not going to debate with you because i love the lord. >> you guys are hypocrites because if you truly cared about black americans, why aren't you upset about the 500 homicides that took place in chicago last year -- >> see, i think this is -- reverend -- >> sir -- >> let me jump in -- >> why do you playing a game -- >> reverend peterson -- >> you're off the deep end. >> this is a point that keeps being made. there is absolutely no problem in being angry and upset and wanting action in chicago about
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all the shootings there, particularly amongst the gangs and angry and upset what happened to trayvon martin. i covered chicago many times and will do so. we can't talk about trayvon martin that's a case important to america because of chicago is ridiculous. >> we can talk about trayvon martin. the problem is that this reverend and your other guests as well as obama and other naacp and others are using this situation to divide and conquer and i have to tell you that this sort of thing -- >> actually the complete opposite -- >> completely opposite -- >> it's the complete opposite. >> america has overcome the fear of being called racist and start to say no to these race hustlers. >> let me bring in santana. >> you a reverend. at the end of the day you have to answer to god. if a lot of people follow you, you're going to lose a lot of followers tonight.
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the stuff you are saying is outrageous -- >> i'm telling the truth. >> you're not telling the truth. you call us hypocrites. what i do -- >> something -- >> let he talk now because you talked. >> the jury did not -- >> i go out and speak at numerous high schools -- i speak at numerous colleges. >> they don't relate -- >> will you let raymond santana speak? >> let me speak. you do enough talking. i speak at numerous high schools and colleges and talk to kids about what racial profiling is, about how to conduct themselves with police. i tell them our stories so we can be an example, not a central park five dealing with the new york 750,000 people stopped and frisked and results -- >> why don't you tell them the dangers of walking through black communities across the country or being shot down or attacked --
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>> i don't have danger walking through black communities. i'm perfectly fine when i walk through my community. i don't know about you. >> most black people are not -- >> maybe you're not because of this hogwash you're talking about on tv. >> this is an attempt to change the gun laws, to gain power and wealth by intimidating white americans and we saw the same thing in the paula deen situation. paula deen said the "n" word -- spoke the "n" word 30 years ago and she admitted she did it -- >> you talking about paula deen. we talking about trayvon martin. we talking about black and brown kids. we not talking about paula deen. >> like paula deen and george zimmerman but it did not work. thank god for that. >> no, we're talking about the awareness, given awareness to these kids so nothing happens in the future. >> why don't you -- >> what? >> why don't you became aware on
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the black on black crime? >> crime is crime regardless. >> focus on that. >> what are you talking about? stop black on black crime give them jobs and opportunities to be successful and productive in life. let's start with that. >> piers, i want to get to rachel jeantel, jeantel or whatever her name is, the so-called prime witness in this case said in an interview recently that trayvon -- she believed that trayvon martin threw the first blow at george zimmerman not the other way around -- >> well, then that proved he was defending himself. he was being stocked -- >> just to be clear trayvon martin had no right to defend himself then in that situation? only george zimmerman had the right to defend himself with a gun, right? >> trayvon had a right to defend himself but nothing came out
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during the trial that george zimmerman stalked trayvon martin, nor did he follow him after he was told not to, and that lie is being put out there in order to divide and conquer, as well, we keeping blacks and whites angry at one another. >> the problem is -- the problem is -- >> shame on the reverend and anyone else pushing this. >> the problem is reverend peterson that you're basically reacting the same way that george zimmerman did. we don't know he was racially motivated but looked at trayvon martin and started talking about a-holes and f-ing punks getting away from it. that's how he saw trayvon martin. that's how you see trayvon martin, a horrible nasty thug that got what is coming to him. there is no evidence of that. let me give the final word to reverend walker, this is a problem reverend walker that it's such a dividing issue -- >> absolutely -- >> there is no sensible calm debate about this.
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it reminds me of the gun control debate, which is so extreme on all sides. >> absolutely. >> how do you see a way through? you're at the cutting edge -- >> piers -- >> no, no, reverend walker is talking now, sir. >> i'm trying to talk. thank you very much, piers. i think what we are heard today is exactly what you're talking about, people talking at each other and not really listening. we have young people in our community here in rocks bury who will take this to the next level. this is a movement. if you're upset about this, if you have a point to ever about this -- >> this is not a movement. >> yes, it is. it is a movement -- >> people are going to this next generation -- >> trayvon -- >> who is this man? where did you get this man from? >> sir -- >> i said the same thing reverend walker -- >> to a hero -- >> i want to know that, too.
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>> he's not a hero. what he is is a dead teenage boy. that's what trayvon martin is. >> he was not a hero. >> he's not claiming to be a hero. he was defending himself. the way you are making him sound like just a horrible thug, i think does a great disservice to you as a minister. it really does. okay. we'll leave it there. reverend walker, reverend peterson, mr. santana, thank you. shocking verdict before zimmerman o.j. simpson. i'll talk to kim goldman, the sister of the woman murdered. my name is paul ridley. to benefit cancer research i rode across the atlantic. crossing an ocean with your body as the motor, it hurts. so i brought advil to help me stay strong during the toughest journey of my life. [ male announcer ] paul ridley had a choice of pain relievers, but he chose advil. because nothing is stronger on tough pain. nothing. not tylenol. not aleve. [ paul ] when people are counting on me to come through, my answer is advil. [ male announcer ] real people. real pain. real relief. advil. relief in action.
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defendant o.j. simpson not guilty of murder in violation of personal code a felony upon ronald gold man a human being charged in count two of the information. >> we remember that moment, of course, two high-profile murder cases and juries criticized for returning not guilty verdicts leaving the families to grieve in public. they are parallel to the zimmerman trial and o.j. simpson trial. kim goldman believes simpson murdered her brother, ron gold man. kim, thank you for joining me. what is your reaction to the controversy over this george zimmerman trial? >> it obviously strikes a nerve to me, so i think that i understand that people are having a hard time with the verdict, but if you pay attention to the trial and you pay attention to the facts and evidence, that the verdict stands and i think that it was an accurate one, but i can appreciate where people are filled with emotion. >> do you feel that race
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inevitably as it did in the trial involving o.j. simpson, that race was at the center of this trial? >> no, i don't think that race was the center. there was no facts in evidence to present that any more than it was in our case. i think the discrimination and race and intolerance and the lack of humanity is what drives most cases, and what allows people to get so upset. i mean, if you look at the big picture, we have a lack of regard for human life in this country and the way we treat each other and bred itself into this case. >> a parareal he between the two, you had a predominantly black jury in the o.j. simpson case, who acquitted him very quickly. here you had a predominantly white jury who acquitted george zimmerman very quickly. that is where many people believe there is an inequality, unfairness, if you'd like. >> i guess if you break it down
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that way but our cases were drastically different. our case, we had a black defendant with white victims with hundreds of pieces of evidence to only point to one person's guilt, and the zimmerman, trayvon martin situation, it was different. it was a self-defense case, if you believe that evidence, and i don't believe it was racially charged, and it's unfortunate that's where the conversation always lies. again, i think we need to get bigger and more global and think how we treat each other and have a lack of regard for human life. >> the point i was going to ever is in your trial for example involving the death of your brother and others, having such a predominantly black jury, do you feel the race element of that, of jury selection led them to acquit somebody who many people believe should have been convicted because some people are saying in the zimmerman trial that had you had more african americans on the jury
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than they would have related better perhaps to trayvon martin to his background, to the star witness rachel jeantel and could perhaps have had a different verdict? >> well, i guess that's the case in every trial depending on who the jurors are. i think it's sad if we're always bringing it back to race and not giving anybody the benefit of the doubt that they actually listen to the evidence and paid attention to the evidence and made a decision based on that. i think it's saying we have to respect the verdict and we do. until we're willing to ever changes on a more global sense and willing to show up for jury selection, we don't really know what goes on in that room. we have to pay attention to the evidence and trust what decision they made was a just one. >> trayvon martin's parents are feeling the same burning sense of injustice that you felt. obviously different cases and i wouldn't ask you to compare that. in terms of how you move on when you feel that injustice, you're a good person to talk to about that.
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do you ever get any sense of closure? >> no. closure is a word that we don't use in my house. honestly, you know, grief and loss stays with you and it takes all different forms and been 19 years for us and the loss of my brother is still right in the front of my brain, and i feel for the trayvon family and for all victims across this country, the hundreds of people that are killed minutes -- every minute of this day. we all are struggling and suffering in such a tragic way. >> let's take a short break and i'll come back and talk to you about whether trayvon martin's parents should consider a civil action in their case because obviously, we had that in the o.j. simpson case.
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we are the face of trayvon. the jury -- that courtroom -- we needed to be in the courtroom to let the courtesy -- court see we were trayvon. he wasn't there to tell his side of the story. we couldn't tell his story, but we wanted to assure them we were there 110% for him. >> trayvon martin's parents who felt justice wasn't served. kim, i know you said the verdict was probably the correct one in the george zimmerman trial but not with standing that, you took civil action against of the j.
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simpson in the end he wasn't able to meet the punishment, but did that give you any form of satisfaction that there was at least some form of accountability, and would you recommend that course of action to people who feel a sense of injustice? >> absolutely. i mean, that's what the civil system is in place for. it's to give power back to victims and survivors that don't get justice, they feel justice in the criminal case, in the criminal system. it was fantastic to hear 12 people unanimously determine he was responsible for the murders of my brother and nicole. there was nothing better than to hear that. the problem, though, is that he walked out the same door that we did leaving court that day. and having a civil verdict stating that he was responsible is only worth the paper that it's written on because he's been able to escape justice from that trial, as well, but i absolutely would support any
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family going into the civil case -- in the civil system to pursue. it does shift things, and it's very empowers. >> has it bright you any satisfaction, a sense of karma that o.j. simpson is incarcerated and may be for another offense. >> i love it. i love it. that was a great day for our family. i was fortunate to be in the courtroom that day. i loved getting to watch him walk back into the room that led to his jail cell. going back to the zimmerman verdict, i think what people struggle with is that morality and legality don't always mesh and i think people have a hard time when justice and the law aren't -- are not married and we're all bred to believe that the what the system is afforded to us and it's just not and taken me a long time to come to terms with that and i -- i support people that want to protest the verdict, but protest where it's effective. protest where your lawmakers are
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involved, lobbyist, legislators and know who is in charge. vote, stand up, vote, stay educated and show up to jury selection. i'm a big proponent to that. i wish i would be picked one day but i won't be. >> it tallies to what juror b-37 said. she said my prayers with those who have the influence and power that modify the laws that left me with no option other than not guilty that remain in the instructions. no other family should endure what the martin family endured. it totally concur with what you just said because, you know, in just though it may seem, you can't really blame george zimmerman. he's been well-defended under the current law -- >> yeah, and i -- >> and if the law gets changed and another person does the same thing, maybe held to a different legal standard. >> and honestly, that's what a lot of victims and survivors do in the aftermath of their tragedy is they go on to ever the difference and pave the way for future victims because that's how laws get changed.
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that's where our efforts and energy goes to good use. lewding the streets and setting our neighborhoods on fire and stroll -- forming -- flowing into the freeways to stop traffic is not an effective way to declare your message and to declare you protest. so use that energy to good causes and get involved where it matters, and that's in the legislative level and, you know, being involved in the communities and the laws that protect you and the ones that don't protect you. >> what is your actual view about self-defense and stand your ground and so on? >> well, i mean, i guess if i was ever in that situation, i would be happy for the self-defense law. i think here it got really blurred. i think people are still confused about stand your ground. i mean, it wasn't used as a defense in this case and again, i think people are confused about that. i think there is lots of room for improvement with many laws, with our jury system, i'm not a big fan of it. i'm a proponent of it. it has work to be done. we don't celebrate our civic
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duty and -- it's about treating each other with kindness and tolerance and love. lead with love. all these conversations what will i tell my africanmerican son, the same conversation i'll have with my caucasian one, lead with love, lead with your heart. stay focused, stay attentive to laws, be respectful, honorable, be a volunteer, give back. i mean, go back to the basic principals that our country was founded on which is love thigh neighbor. i feel like we've lost our way. >> kim goldman, fascinating to talk to you. it really has. >> thank you. >> you're extremely impressive on this subject. you should talk more about it. hit the nail on the head about what the real issues are. thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> thanks, piers. love conquers all. a couple getting married one year to the day after their attack. the story of hope and strength coming up next.
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there is a shooting in the auditorium. there is at least one person that's been shot, but they're saying hundreds of people running around. >> one year ago on saturday, a gunman opened fire in aurora, colorado. 12 people were killed in the mass shooting and 58 injured. james holmes has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. tonight, two survivors join me. they say god protected them that night and this saturday they're getting married. what a lovely story to bring to an end what must have been an awful, awful year for you both. >> yeah, thank you, piers. it wasn't -- i guess you can say it was awful that night. but like you were saying, god did protect us. so we're here today. >> kristen, take me back to that terrible night. you had gone to the movies just to watch a film, as millions of americans do. what is your memory of what happened? >> i remember just, you know, us having fun and it was a little
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uncomfortable because there was so many people there. and then, you know, just out of nowhere a big boom noise and like it just went crazy. i remember eugene pulling me to my chair and i was just like some way, somehow just getting out of there. it was just a really crazy night. >> eugene, you were a bit of a nero. you got shot in the knee and the hip. how are your injuries? and second, in that moment, what made you react the way that you did? >> before actually my parents taught me to be aware of my surroundings. i never thought that i would get shot at or anything, but that kind of teaching kept me aware that night. but i just had a gut feeling that something bad was going to happen, and when i looked around, there was no one there. so i ignored that feeling. but when james holmes walked in that night, you know, i knew
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something was going to happen because no one really walks through an exit door, especially through an exit door. so i pulled her down. it was more of a reaction for me. i didn't see her come down with me. she was still in her chair, and all the shooting happened and she was down right next to me. so i made sure that you know, james holmes couldn't get to her, if anything, put my body between her and the shooter. but as you know, ars go through chairs like butter. >> yeah, i do know the damage those weapons cause. but are you okay physically yourself? >> yes. i can walk and run and, you know, move around, which is nice. the doctors did a very good job on me. i still do have shrapnel inside my hip. that's going to be with me for the rest of my life.
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a little bit of soreness. but other than that, i'm walking around again. >> the question, obviously this guy was a bit of a hero to you, kristen. was that part of your thinking when you said yes to his marriage proposal? >> oh, yeah. it was romantic the way he proposed. but it brought me back to that night and how he did kind of save me. so of course, i want to keep him around. >> why did you choose, kristen, the anniversary to get married? >> actually, eugene chose it, not me. >> yeah. the decision was kind of right after the proposal actually. we were driving back from texas and i asked her if she would want to get married on that date. well, my thought process was, everyone has a date that they want to get married on, and it means something special to them.
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and for us, it was a night of, you know, terror and horror and all that stuff, but we wanted to change the date and kind of make it our own. but yeah, it wasn't really her decision. i kind of scared her at first and she had to think about it. >> i think you're entitled to take a few decisions given the fact you were so courageous that night. it's great that you're getting married. a lovely way to end what must have been an awful year for you and your families and all the families involved in that night. i wish you all the best and long lasting happiness to you. >> awesome. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back. >> thanks. you or your car? i would say my car. probably the car. cause as you get older you start breaking down. i love my car. i want to take care of it. i have a bad wheel - i must say. my car is running quite well. keep your car healthy with the works. $29.95 or less
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tomorrow night, an interview that everyone is still talking about, my one on one with rachel jeantel. she was the prosecution's star witness in the george zimmerman trial. now she's speaking out about the case and the shocking verdict. >> my area, we for trayvon, we can say one thing, it don't make him go crazy, it just make him go hungry. it make him hungry. >> did he take a lot of weed? >> no. >> how much would you say? >> like twice a week.
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