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hey there, welcome do "the streak." my co-host, digital producer right hoar to my left, right to my left, how about that you know what, i think we are going to get so much online conversation today with our first topic. >> huge huge online conversation. authorities thought they had beaten in 2000. fast forward to 2014, disjust the opposite. a record breaking year for the number of confirmed cases, 644 from 27 different states. according to the centers for disease control. the resurgence has been in the spotlight, after the outbreak at disneyland left dozens ill. what makes it so concerning is there is no cure, and it can be easily spread through
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the air right, if you are concerns about whether or not do vaccinate. and speaking about abdy vaccination, i went on facebook do get more information. check the out. why is it legal for doctors to do it, why would you do it. educate yourself, rethink vaccine. however, on the flip side there's voices for vaccines parenting into open up for imization, and lisa, look, they are also using the syringe with their own facts and there's andy anti-vaccination movement, they have their stats. so everyone has the numbers and the stats. huge people in the middle that
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just want do get the information. >> our first guest joining us from sacramento. he is the chief of medial rettich infectiouses thes.
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tock otor, we have had people traveling to our country, from india, and oh nations around the globe that still have a problem with measles. for decades. and we haven't seen this kind of spike that we have seen in the last couple of years. s there something particularly? i think disrelated do people that choose not have do their children immunized. you get cheese pockets of very high susceptible population, where you get ten, 20, even up do 50% of parent whose are choosing not do vaccinate their children, and it is these pockets that can result in transmission. >> so emily, you have three kids and you were really on the fence about whether or not do have them vaccinated. what was your method of thinking? >> well, it's a hard decision. because we care about the
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health and safety of our children, but we also want to have good information. that's backed by solid studies that don't have a conflict of interest, talking about both the risks of vaccines and the risks of the diseases that they are suppose dodd prevent. and accounts hard, because i feel like there's not a lot of good information out there. i would like do be able to find information that's kind of oin the middle somewhere. >> what about the fact that the vaccines have been around sense the early 196dy's and it's presented 15.6 million deaths isn't that enough for you? >> i think there are -- other factors do take into consideration. vaccines are not without risk. they do have risks. that are many many children that get injured by vaccines every year, and i feel like that's something that's not
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talked about very much. >> they don't cause very many deaths. >> dr. blumberg, one thing that talking about off the top of the show is this confusion, right, you have a symptom, or you have a concern, you google it and you get 100 different answers and they are impossible to discern, emily is talking about the risks are these manufactured risks from people who are naive and posting things online? or are there valid risks that parents should be having conversations with their kids physician before freeing to these vaccines? >> every medical treatment every vaccine has side effects and does have real risks associated with it. and so disimportant to know that there are risks with vaccines. however, for all the chide high school vaccines the benefits vastly outweigh any of those risks. parents should get good information relate dodd the vaccines i want parents do feel very comfortable with their decision to advantage
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sen nate their children. they should not have any doubts that it is the right then to do, and they should on dean the correct information. >> you have a new baby at home, this has to be a conversation with you and your wife and a physician, i am sure you are robustly discussing it. >> we are. it is the health of your child, you want do have him protected of course. should vaccines with mandatory. >> and lindsay is very blunt many of the claims that vaccines cause odism have been debunked but emily you might like this. factors sneddon considered. now we talk about cheese pockets. california is an exception because of what he says religious extremism, people dare lifestyles to bizarre levels in california, i might be offended by that, and even best educated and intelligent
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people can be stricken by moronic den conditionsies. wait until they get shingles too. you mention these pockets. why is it that we see in the bay area, and orange crone, in oregon these pockets of educated individuals upper middle class, suburban folks opting out if you will of vaccines in what is the trend here? >> i think part of sit related do unfamiliarity with these diseases. >> . >> so successful, people aren't aware that measles is a killer. and 400 kids die every day from measles worldwide. and it's in this country where we have good supportive care, for every 1,000 kids that get measles only two of them will die. but some may suffer inflammation of the brain, and brain damage, they can get diarrhea, dehydration, pneumonia, but many parents aren't familiar of this because they think of it as a disease of the past.
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>> you know, emily, you mentioned earlier that you were looking for middle ground, you don't want to be labeled anti-vaccine, you want to haven a adult discussion, about these things do you find that a lot of your mom friends and dad friends feel the same way, or are you a outliar when it comes to this topic. >> a lot of my friends we talk about this. i have, cans with my mom
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friends about this all the time. >> i quantity to talk a little bit about liability issues. should parents and the school districts and the stays that allow nonadvantage sen nateed kids to be around advantage sen nateed kids be held liable when they come down owith the measles and then they evenfect the broader population? >> well, the schools have a responsible to maintain a good high generallic environment, because they are all gathering together, and that's why it is important for schools to encouraging high vaccination rates so that diseases aren't brought into the schools, and then when there is a outbreak, as there is now, with the measles, then those children who are vulnerable, who are susceptible sometimes are excluded from school if they may have been exposed and may be incubating the disease, so that they don't expose other children. i think that's appropriate for schools do do to maintain a good hygienic environment. >> we asked our community, should they be considered.
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public safety is public safety, make then mandatory, yes, for public safety, and yes, there needs to be a certain% of vaccinated people to control spread. if they work so is well, if the children that are advantage sen nate redirect examination at risk. because if they are vaccinated and they work, chen they are at risk to get measles. >> let's pause you there, and let the doctor answer that. >> that's a good question. and you see the vaccines none of them are 100% effective and so is children who are vaccinated some of them are suspect septemberble to the diseases. notch you are driving you can do ming you want to be safe by driving while not impaired wearing a seat belt, and an air ball and all that, but even though you do all that you can still get in a car accident and get injured if you are exposed to another
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driver who may not be as careful as you the's what vaccines are, they are like a seat belt or air bag, it doesn't guarantee you proconnection but it is one part. >> we have about 30 seconds left, what do you say to a parent like emily. >> i love parents like emily because she is so concerns she is asking the right questions and i want parents to be concerned like she is and research the issues and do the best then for their children. i want parents to be comfortable with the decision. so i would encouraging parents to ask questions and be comfortable with their decision. >> emily, last thought? >> i would just like to be with adult conversations and not be pushed into one side or the other, it is an important issue for the health and safety of our children. >> thank you to both of our guests. up next, why more citizens are pushing cities across the country to lower their voting any to 16.
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after all, if you are old enough to drive and pay, thats aren't you old enough do vote? is we will have both sides of the debate. and later why online supporters of digital writer barrett brown say a hyper link landed him in prison, can impact his recent sentencing could have on activism. >> sunday night. >> 140 world leaders will take the podium. >> get the full story. >> there is real disunity in the security council. >> about issues that impact your world. >> infectious diseases are a major threat to health. >> "the week ahead". sunday 8:30 eastern. only on al jazeera america.
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stay put at 18. michelle is, why should 16-year-olds be given the right to vote? >> sara did a great job of voicing why it originally started the idea started in the youth commission, there's so many inconsistencies in civil liberties and responsibilities, that we hold 16-year-olds accountable to like we are allowed to drive be paid as an adult, but they don't have the right to vote and at the youth commission we have seen so many great examples of youth civic participation that we want to provide a chance to directly engen in the system. can't you be an activist and not be able to vote? >> that's a great question and i just use animism of that. at the youth commission, we passed unanimously to support the soda tax that recently failed. even though we are an established government body
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and we were able to make reck are commendations to the board of supervisors we weren't able to voice our opinions in the vote in what mattered. >> jenny, presumably, this is about increasing the turn out at the polls. does lowering the voting age do that? >> long term. >> yeah. >> well, the 20 sick amendment there was an additional spike in lower age voting, but it did not really translate as its proponents had hoped into higher turnout rates overtime. so the argument originally was that lower the voting age, would get people in the habit of voting it would get students coming out of their high school class used to vote ising and that would translate into being more regular voters throughout their lives. and in general, that has not turned out to been the case. >> we asked this question, of our facebook community, should it be letters we got about 300 comments.
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>> laura agreed honestly at 16, i had no interest in politics let alone voting i think once you get out in the real world, you have a better idea of the impact of your decisions. a 16-year-old that follows politics, however, i can only see it resulting in 16-year-olds telling them to vote the way they do. michelle, you are a millennial, you are from the bay area, how do you respond to those excepts. >> right, it is definitely collected research that actually speaks against that and especially many the recent scotland referendum, there's been research that shows that the youth actually didn't vote on any party line or following how their parents voted and definitely like i said, we so so many youth involved in san francisco they are on advisory boards the school board, and
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also the board of supervisors and youth are really engaged in different campaigns and we feel like they are really involved and engaged, and we see that youth want the -- to have the right to vote, we have this then called youth vote, and the san francisco school district, and it is a mock election, and it was optional, and so many youth voted in those, and we just really see that youth are participating. >>ny, last time the vote age was vote dodd you see any unintended consequences if we lower it to 16. >> that's my concern. there are plenty that are qualified to vote. but there are real concerns about certain unintended consequences. so
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give them away to express political preferences and in general those results were underhemming. turn out tends to be quite low, and in yep has not translated into sort of political authority that i think it's proponents hoped it fight. >> what did it do? >> immediately of the 26th amend was passed they lower the age of majority. and implications for foster care, contract liability, tort liability, and more recently we had juvenile justice to what extent be treated as adults and ewith have some push back on that, the supreme court has struck down juvenile death penalty life without sentencing lite without parole. and i worry that 16-year-old voting could jeopardize those sorts of efforts. >> let's hear from the
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seniors. yes, i am 70 and frankly old folks are no geniuses either. i am all for young people giving responsibility early. thank you to our guests. still ahead, online, outcry continues days after barrett brown is sentenced for charges stemming from the hack of a private security contractor. the potential consequences it can have on press freedoms and even the links you share online, next. primetime news. >> welcome to al jazeera america. >> stories that impact the world, affect the nation and touch your life. >> i'm back. i'm not going anywhere this time. >> only on al jazeera america.
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welcome back. barrett brown recently sentenced to 63 months in prison for charged related to the 2011 hack of stratford global intelligence. it is a private firm whose email and credit card information was leaked by hacker jeremy hammond. brown's case has sparked an online campaign. here to talk about his sentencing and the implications, senior staff
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target at the electronic frontier foundation. her work focused on open government, transparency, and privacy issues jennifer, thank you for joining us, so barrett brown didn't hack stratford, why was he son convicted. >> well that's very true. he didn't hack stratford, he was convicted -- his ultimate conviction was related to some threats he made to an fbi agent, and posted on youtube. but the initial prosecution against barrett brown was actually for just sharing a link to the stratford cloud. he share add link like most of us do about every day when we communicate on the internet. he didn't share the files he just shared the link so that anybody could download them. on to their own computer who had access to that information. you can fortunately, those files also contained tens of thousands of credit card numbers and access codes and so the government used that
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against him in one of the two criminal cases against him. while he was charged with sharing this link, he was convicted of threatening an fbi agent. >> that's correct. the threats were made because barrett brown was being prosecuted was being investigated for his connections to the stratford hack. >> that doesn't justify threatening an fbi agent. >> no, of course not. >> what raises the conversation here with you, is despite the fact that he was not convicted for sharing the link, you still have a lot of concerns about the implications of his sentencing on press freedom, and maybe everybody on the arrange person's freedom online? just to be clear, of course, he admitted that he should not have threatened the fbi agents and four years of his sentence were related to that.
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what we are more concerned about was the initial case that was brought against him for posting the link, and transmitting the link. and i think that that poses a huge threat to press freedom and also to how he communicate on the internet. because even though the government ultimately dropped those charges, barrett brown was in prison for a year and a half while those charges were pending. and those charges have the potential to add about 20 years on to his sentence. >> jen, i will bring in the online community, the prosecution, the conviction, has enginedderred tremendous support. so far it has been used over 15,000 times here is also #barrett brown, that's been used over 7,000 times. you can see everything about the case, it's online communities talking about it and we ask our community, does the sentencing reflect a greater crack down on journalists only human says barrett was prosecuting for his activities as a journalist. his sentences are horrific precedents.
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and bacchus writes in i was at the sentencing i strongly disdegree. i think he got the right punishment for threatening an fbi agent and his family, and for impeding a federal investigation. >> well, i was going to ask you, we are talking the n the segment about confusion online, do you get the sense that the people are responding to you understand why he was convicted and that it wasn't for sharing the link. >> i believe many of them do. but they think he is being used into an exampling. it is a railingly crying for more freedoms and to make sure that the government doesn't make scapegoats out of activists. >> respond to that? what do you think the hope is for future reform and preventing the government from
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making examples out of activists? not that is what happened in this case, but the potential for that. >> even though like i said he wasn't prosecuted for sharing the link that's what one of the two cases were about. and i think that it create as big threat to anybody who wants to shear information about government agentivities on lean. people need to think twice about whether they want to peace this kind of a prosecution brought down on them. jennifer lynch, thank you so much for joining us and thank you to all of our guests today, until next time, ranch and i will see you on lean. online. is ♪ ♪
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