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what would ben franklin say. that's our show for today. i'm ali velshi. have a great weekend. hi everyone, this is al jazeera america. i'm john seigenthaler in new york. ceasefire talks. agreement on the need for a humanitarian truce in gaza. disagreement over how long. prayers and protests. thousands of west bank palestinians show outrage in mosques and in the street over israel's 18-day offensive. >> shrines destroyed. the destruction of iraq's religious sites in territory controlled by the islamic state. border insecurity, how to
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end a wave of migrants coming across the border. a special report - profiting from disaster. how a mountain home owner made thousands by digging in after the worst mudslide in history. we be gip with a deal to stop the fighting in gaza, temporarily. israel and hamas agreed to stop the violence for a 12 hour period. it's scheduled to begin in five hours. the u.s. and other countries are pushing for a longer truth. jonathan betz joins us with more. >> we have information about the longer ceasefire. james bays, diplomatic editor, obtained a document suggesting building on the ceasefire, aims at providing a sustainable solution, and open the borders
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to ensure the economic and social lively headlines of people, afghanistan a 7-day pause in violence allowing a withdrawal and provide humanitarian supplies to be given to gaza. that's a long-term plan. hamas and israel have agreed to a 12-hour truce. after 18 days of violence, serious talks that the fighting may stop for the first time. >> we are confident we have a fundamental framework. >> secretary of state john kerry left cairo, hoping for a long-term deal. both sides appear to be close to agreeing to a short truce, 12 hours, beginning tomorrow morning to allow humanitarian aid. >> the allowance to do that is a good faith down-payment. >> still in the works, a 7-day
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ceasefire beginning on sunday giving both times time to negotiate a long truce. >> israel rejected the idea, not willing to pull the troops from gaza. our priority is to bring cessation so the violence. >> earlier ceasefires failed. hamas demands it lift the blockade on gaza. after weeks of bloody fiing, and an -- fighting and an attack at a u.n. school killing 15, patients is running thin. >> this is wrong. why are you continuing to kill people. there are many other ways to resolve the issue without killing each other. i'm angry about what this is doing. >> israel says it will continue to search for and destroying hamas's tunnels. secretary of state john kerry is headed to paris where talks will pick up with the hope of
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extending the is it hour caes tire. ben co-authored a report with revealing details about what is going on through the middle east negotiations. welcome. what happened. why did the negotiations over a long period of time fall apart? >> for a number of reasons. i think no one has any illusions that the issues are easy to solve. one of the themes of the pieces, there were repeated miscommunication. even while they made big progress on issues, borders and refugees, there were miscommunication over the prisoners, settlements and other peripheral issues. >> talk about the underlies mistrust. >> there's a lot of mistrust between the two population and between mahmoud abbas and binyamin netanyahu. even though john kerry was able to earn the trust of the leaders separately, and a theme of the piece is there was a lot of shuttle diplomacy.
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he couldn't get them to believe the other is the partner for peace. >> the suggests is that the secretary of state wanted this more that the two sides. >> i think everyone realises that, and he couldn't convince them of the urgency of this, and maybe with what is happening in the news it may change it. >> you talk about a meeting between john kerry and binyamin netanyahu. vait when he's -- secretary of state when he's meeting with the prime minister joins on the experience with vietnam, and binyamin netanyahu says "this isn't vietnam, no one understands israel buttize rail." talk about the meaning of that. >> this is a common sentiment in israel. i lived there for the past two years. there's a sense of isolation, and a feeling that the world doesn't like israel, and doesn't understand israel. >> even america, it's ally. >> america to a lesser extent. there's an understanding that
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america does have israel's back. but, of course, as discussed in the piece, israel's defense minister was not a big fan of the kerry effort and thought it was based on naivety and they didn't understand in their view this the palestinians want to destroy israel. >> and the palestinian mediator suggested to mahmoud abbas, look, you watch out. binyamin netanyahu and john kerry and everyone will take you for a ride. >> absolutely. this is obviously a unanimous opinion among the palestinian public and the palestinian leadership, that they believe they don't have a power for peace ironically the chief negotiator had some respect from the other side, considered as someone willing to end the conflict. >> you talk about a moment where it fell apart. >> absolutely.
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>> what was that? >> the defining moment - there were many where it looked like it was about to fall apart, but the defining moment, the moment where it fell apart was on april 1st, where they tried to get a deal to extend the talks in which america would release jonathan polar, israel would release prisoners, and the palestinians to extend the talks. israel didn't release the prisoners on time, and mahmoud abbas, being angry decided to sign the un conventions and it fell to pieces from there. >> well, it's an interesting story and read. great to see you. while the diplomats talk, people in the west bank and east jerds took to the -- jerusalem took to the streets. demonstrators called it a day of rage. throwing rocks, fireworks at plus. security forces fired rubber
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bullets into the crowd. we have this report. >> reporter: a volatile and deadly situation in the occupied west bank. what we understand is that after friday prayers in the town south of the city of nablus, an 18-year-old palestinian protestor was shot dead by a settler. we understand that israeli security forces arrived affidavits. and in those clashes, one other palestinian protestor was killed. this time a 22-year-old in the area of bate whommar. in the city of hebron. three were killed in clashes, bringing the total to five just on friday alone. now, these clashes, these deaths, frankly follow a chaotic
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reason. we had seen it outside the checkpoint. the clashes lasted several hours, between the israeli forces and palestinians. two were killed in the clashes, and dozens injured. it under scores how unpredictable the west bank has become. this area has been quiet since israel began an 18-day assault on gaza, that has changed. >> the ceasefire could give gazans a break. every day dozens more people are killed and hundreds injured. nick schifrin reports from gaza city. >> in this neighbourhood only the ambulances are brave enough to drive through. in the shajaiya neighbour hood a thorough fair is neglected.
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other than a boy pushing groceries. two neighbourhoods emptied by war. with two families struggle with loss on a day the u.s. hoped there would be peace. this man knows the hospital well. his family members took 20 rooms. shrapnel cut through his brother's leg. he's prepping for surgery. >> are you nervous. >> he nods, but is so nervous he can't speak. down the hall, his cousin has already had four surgeries, one for each part of his body, pierced by debris. the entire family lived in a u.n. school-turned-shelter when two shells exploded. the dead were his mother, stepmother, sister and two brothers. >> translation: i don't understand how i survived or why i'm alive.
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>> across town, you can see the loss and the heart break. into in a light tup on a photograph by a father of his son. the family says an israeli bullet killed marr won, israel denies it. . >> i was holding my son. he fell. i called to him. he gave no response. >> it was her oldest son, the one destined to leave the family, named after the man on the hamas poster. his uncle died fighting is ray. >> translation: i'm not afraid of israel, i'm worried about my brother. he's is heaven and is an angel. >> this 10-year-old escorts her father outside. he is afraid he'll be shot.
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we stopped around the corner from where waleed died. >> translation: nothing can feel the void. our children are always killed. >> reporter: the neighbourhoods and families are feeling empty and disappointed after so much death there's still peace in site. >> now, the unresolved crisis on the border. president obama met with leaders of the three nations. mostly responsible for immigrants into the united states. honduras, guatemala, and el salvador expressed a range of issues on america's immigration policy. libby casey is at the white house with more. the president is determined to found a way for some in, but wants the process to begin in central america, not on the border. >> that's right. he said the central american countries and the u.s. have to work together to deal with the
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route of the problem. poverty and violence. that means strength nipping security and dealing with a gun running across the borders, and deal with drug trafficking. the president prayed minister for what he called a -- prayed americans for what he calls an outpouring of general ofty for taking in some children whilst waiting for the court date. he warned that the kids will be repatry i think, they'll be sent back to their home countries. >> i say that not because we lack compassion, but in addition to being a nation of immigrants, we are a nation of loss. if you have a disorderly process of migration, that puts the children at risk and calls to question the legal immigrant process of those properly applying and entering our country. >> president obama talking about
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things the u.s. needs to do now, like have more facilities on the border to deal with the children who are here, and have more resources dedicated to the courts. that takes money, something he needs to look to congress for. >> what are congress saying? >> they are not likely to sign off on what the president wants. they met behind closed doors to come up with a plan and decided they want to act before going on a 5-week recess. here is a sense of the conversation. this is a republican of texas. >> we know the president caused the issue, failed to lead. it is appropriate for congress to step into the breach and fix the issue. now, doing nothing, i don't think, is a good approach. >> you hear him saying "we can't do nothing", it's likely the republicans will crack their own proposal, look for changes to the trafficking law.
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and things like more judges on the border. this is not likely to get the support of democrats. we don't know if they'll get anything done over the next week before going out on a summer black. >> thank you libby casey at the white house. later stories from some of the previously risking egg to come to the -- everything to come to the u.s., the anger over their arriving and the convincing them not to make the journey. that's our special report. fighters in iraq destroyed a shrine believe to be the burial site of the prophet jonah. witnesses say the fighters ordered everywhere out of the mosque and blew it up. the shrine was built on an archeological site dating back to 8th century b.c. fighters for the islamic state said it was a place to reject religion, not pray. many iraqi christians have
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been forced from their homs, money, property stolen in the pros. in the town of erbil hundreds took to the streets in protest. omar al saleh reports. [ chanting ] >> reporter: they want everywhere to know about the misery of their fellow christians in mosul. >> they want protection. the banners they carry say it all. >> we came out to say we christians must live in dignity or freedom, or die while trying. >> we are the people of peace and the original inhabitants. we lived in peace for years with muslims without problems. yes to peace, no to terrorism. >> this march is heading towards u.s. headquarters. organizers demand application. community leaders say 1,000 christian families left mosul since last week and describe the
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targetting of christians as a crime against humanity. >> the group gave them three options, convert to islam, pay tax or be killed. property was confiscated. this letter in red refers to the arabic word meaning criton. the writing in -- christian, they in black means "property of the islamic state", leaders met to discuss the latest crisis, voicing shock and fear. >> we are saddened, concerned and astonished. this is a heinous crime. we are proud of our faith and will keep on it. we demand the government to protect us, providing aid and money to the displace the families. >> these are easy teems for christians -- times for
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christians and and around mosul. now their existence is in jeopardy. coming up next - ukraine's ghost town, with bombs and bulletsing around them, half the population has left. why others decided to stay. plus... >> the land slide - staggering to look at at oso. 43 people killed here, of course, and now we are learning about the property openers who delayed the improvement and use of the critically important access road until they got a big payoff. i'm allen schauffler in oso washington. that story ahead.
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the safety of a passenger jet. in west africa on the scene of al-qaeda algeria jetliner that crashed. it was probably weather related, but they refuse to rule out other possibilities until there's a full investigation. >> more than a week after malaysia airlines flight 17 was shot down. most of the bodies will be removed. crash investigators began to secure the crash site. more from barnaby phillips in eastern ukraine. >> reporter: small teams of dutch and australian investigate juniors have been in the area taking photographs of debris. they have an enormous job. this debris is spread over a radius of something like 25 square kilometres. now, the australian and dutch governments talked about bringing in soldiers so that a proper secure forensic investigation can begin. it will not be easy, we are in
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the middle of a war zone, we have heard art illy in the distance. although the australian and dutch government may have reached agreement in kiev, it does not run here, which is under the control of separatist gunmen. >> near the crash site the ukrainian army is trying to push separatists out of donetsk. hundreds of thousands are fleeing the city to escape the violence. nisreen el-shamayleh reports. >> reporter: in donetsk the shelling conditions. the smoke is rising close to apart. blocks built in the soviet era, many of them are emta. emergency workers here estimate more than half of the city's population has gone. that's almost 600,000 people. this is why they are leaving. a shell landed next to the school. it was empty because of the
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holidays. like many, the caretaker says she is can't understand why ukraine is at war. >> translation: we are in shock. ukrainians and russians lived and worked together. we didn't think about our national yegs, we are thepinging -- nationalities, we are thinking about how to survive. more are dying in the conflict. hundreds have been killed, thousands injured. now human rights watch is accusing ukranian forces of firing rock the on people's homs. >> the elderly couple that lived here were watching television when the rocket hit their apartment. i can show you how lucky they were to survive. you can see the gaping hole in their roof top. both are denying using grad rockets on populated areas. they are renowned for being inaccurate. that is because the rockets are unguided and are fired from multi barrel launches covering a wide area.
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ukraine insist it is not using grad missile systems around donetsk. >> the grads that our military poss have not -- possesses have not arrived and are not within range of the areas mention the in the report. units with light artillery are blocking the exits from donetsk. the terrorist are shelling donetsk to show the ukrainian fors in a bad light. >> human rights watch says kiev must take responsibility. instead of denying this, it would be wooz for the ukraine -- wides for the ukranian government to commit to stop using these rockets in populated areas. they are indiscriminate. the moments you use them they'll kill and injure civilians. >> ukranian forces are pushing further into donetsk. pro-russian fighters are prepared to end this, no matter
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the cost. >> it was the deadliest land slide in the united states history. four months ago, mud a mile wide roared into oso washington, killing 43 people. the gasser disrupted the -- disaster disrupted the lives of thousands. some saw a chance to make money. allen schauffler reports. >> it was the rudest thing you can think of. >> marler speaks for a lot of people here. when the deadly land slide covered highway 530 locals commute teems wept from 20 minutes to two hours. the state department of transportation scrambled. co-owners of one parcel refused, demanding $180,000 to use their land. others accepted a few hundred to a couple of thousand.
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>> people dying, and not being found, and just saying no to a simple thing like a road so that your neighbours and friends can get to work. >> they are not exactly neighbours. state records show robert and grant co-owned but don't live on the tract of unimproved land. we called and knocked on the doors of homes owned by the me, but couldn't get comments. i talked to someone through the closed door of the walsh family home. they had nothing to say, but plenty when the negotiator came to talk about the ease. >> mr walsh said the state's offer: the men finally accept $85,000 and $17,000 more per month if the road is used past september. negotiations delayed the option
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of this road by a -- opening of this road by a week. a different rout could have cost a million. exercising domain and forcing compliance would have tape a month. the state paid. >> when it comes to helping an economy, we do what we had to. >> a few residents living with noise and devalued properties received $600 for the use of their land for the road. >> so the easement road runs all the way along here. >> attorney ben wells says those people wonder if they are the ones gouged by the state. >> my client don't want $85,000, but $600 - you know, i think there are two examples of entities taking advantage of other people in an emergency. >> highway instruction should be complete in two months, but the bitter innocence ever the money -- bitterness over the
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money grab. >> they nailed the state for that much money. >> reporter: with the highway open closures will force traffic on to the access road through september. >> and coming up next - our special report "border insecurity." the president meets central american leaders to try to stop the flood of migrants to the united states. and a look at why many are coming now, and what can be done about it. brian's story. he's a child 1,000 miles from home, trying to decide whether to cross the border into the united states.
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a flood of migrants headed to the united states, many children, risking their lives to cross the border. some americans want them to go home. what is the solution? tonight our special report - border
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insecurity. hi everywhere, i'm john seigenthaler. the problem of undocumented immigrants is nothing new. it's gotten worse. this week the federal government warned 90,000 migrant children will attempt to cross the border by the end of september. the flood of migrants was a top priority at the white house meeting of el salvador, guatemala, and honduras. president obama urged them to do everything in their power to convince their people not to make the trek. paul beban is here with more on how the crisis got to this point. >> the reason the people are leaving those countries is they have decided it's more dangerous to stay. offer the last decade cal gangs and drug cartels made it a violent region in the world. the start is murder rates in el salvador, honduras and guatemala. compared to iraq, the peak of
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the insurgency, these places are more dangerous than a war gown the the gangs are targetting children for recruitment and threaten them with harm or death or reprisals if they refuse. the children are fleeing in regard numbers, seeking asylum in mexico, justin nichols ag u awe, costa rica -- nicaragua and the united states. now, these dots, circles, rpt the number of -- represent the number of children coming from these places. the biggest san pedro ua. it's the most dangerous place. children can't be immediately deported, they must get a court hearing, taking months or years, because the wav of children that began in 2011, it overo whelmed
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the court system. it was built to handle 6,000 to 8,000. not the tens of thousands. giving some children refugee status is an option that president obama is considering. republicans blame the policies and weak border stuarty with the crisis. there has been rumours about permits. the situation generated a lot of emotion and controversy, people saying the children are not america's problems. others saying they deserve our application. the question we confront, how do we balance immigration enforcement with a commitment that people who fear persecution can find safe harbour here. >> the danger of life in central america that paul mentioned was part of a discussion between president obama, and the president said of honduras, el salvador and guatemala. more from libby casey.
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>> the president said some onus is on the leaders of the countries to descourage children and families from making the trek. he said the u.s. bears responsibility to have enough facilities, courts and judges to process the children and families. at the heart of this the president said they have to deal with the root problem. >> what is more important is going to be for us to find the kinds of solutions, short term and long term that prevent smugglers from making money on families that feel desperate that ensure that we are creating greater security for families in central america. >> president obama said that they need to deal with violence and poverty, and it will take a collaboration of the u.s. working with the central american countries to beef up security and cut down on gun running and truck trafficking.
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a lot of what president obama is proposing takes money, there's a question of whether congress will pass anything substantive before they leave for a 5-week august recess. >> thank you. >> thousands of young guatemalans are desperate to escape poverty and violence. many are caught crossing through mexico and sent home to their families. david mercer reports from the justin gatlinan -- guatemalan highlands. >> it's a moment everyone have waited for. more than 60 children file into a government shelter, the first of three busloads due to arrive. the boys and girls caught in mexico, en route to the united states. their families are relieved to see them safe. >> i feel good, my son is back, i'm starting to feel relaxed again. >> the center opened last year
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in response to a surge of unaccompanied child migrants who flooded the u.s. mexican border. thousands of children have been deported with their families. children tell social workers they were going to the u.s. to find jobs. few knew about the dangers of crossing mexico, but for some that has changed. >> a girl i was detained with told me a friend of hers was thrown off the top of a train and her body cut this half. it's hard. i warn my friends how dangerous it could be. >> the center's director said most parents don't know the consequences of illegal migration. >> translation: parents need to understand that the united states will not accept children. they've been deceived by traffickers who say children will be allowed to enter. this is what the stay here campaign is about. stay home. there may not be food, but you have your family.
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that is important. the record number of young departies show how much work is to be done. >> it's the end of the day. there's dozens of parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles waiting for children to be releases. as more cross to the united states, these scenes are more common. worse than waiting is not knowing. this family thought their 16-year-old would be getting off the buses. he didn't. >> i pray that he's safe. i never thought it boo happen. i hoped he would make it without problem. >> these young migrants may be home, but for thousands of others driven by hopes for a better life, the journey north is just beginning. the vast majority of unaccompanied children trying to cross into the u.s. are
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teenagers. the government has seen a dramatic increase in the number of unaccompanied preteens. arrests of children 12 and under more than doubled, according to government statistics retained by the pew research center. heidi zhou-castro met a migrant who said he is crossing the border, and he made arrangements with human traffickers to take him to the u.s. heidi met with him near the texas border. >> it called to him, the united states. ryan is steps away from reaching his goal. so close, yet so far away. you're so close to your agreement. it makes him happy, but he's sad because there's no one in the united states to receive him. these trying to decide whether to cross or return to his parents and seven siblings in
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hopped. he was 14 when he left his family's one-room house with a naive ambitious to find a job and send money home. he struck off alone, carry nothing, but $9.50. he has had a birthday, one he had forgotten about until his mother called to remind him. fresh are on the boy's mind are memories from his journey. he troubled through a tropical storm and witnessed the murder of a pregnant girl on what migrants called "the death train." >> i jumped off in time. the girl wouldn't let the gangsters take her so they pushed her off. the train ran her over. he cried and asked god for help. he sees it in his mind. he wonders if it was for
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nothing. u.s. border patrol is no longer, in his words, helping to take you north. he's hesitant to venture out of the shelter. cartel violence in this state killed 64 people in april. human smuggling is a thriving operation here. more so than ever with a cartel controlling operations. we can only be here for a few minutes, but brian will be coming here alone. >> our camera is rolling when mexican soldiers order us to leave. they don't want trouble from the cartels, they tell us. this boy is worried he'll be kidnapped. i tell him the bodies of two migrants were found in the riff, and three more from the nearby
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desert. yet the american dream beckons. do you think that's worth risking your life for? he says yes, it's worth it, because he's doing it to help his family, and he's already come this far. >> the last time i spoke with brian was this morning, at 10 o'clock, when he told me he was on his way to meet with a coyote, a human smuggler. i have been trying to get in touch with him. his phone has been turned off, which may indicate that he's on his way across the border. heidi zhou-castro reporting. this man came to the united states from mexico at the age of five. he's the co-director for the dream action coalition and has been a national advocate for immigration reform. welcome back. >> thank you for having me. there has been a lot of talk about the human care yn issue.
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can you explain how president obama's plan will help the young migrants. >> essentially what he met with the president from central america, and based on the discussion with his agency to help the human services is they want to cree it a refugee center in the home countries so that the children, and it will require only two children to apply in central america, and start with honduras, making sure that many of the kids don't have to make the dangerous trip. in theory it's a good plan. however, one of the real challenges is that although the president can set up on his own this plan, the reality is the u.s. allocates 70,000 refugee
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visas, but only 5,000 are for the caribbean and central america. they are grappling with the crisis of seeing children come all the way here. >> based on what you say, would it increase the number of migrants getting refugee status? >> the definition of being a refugee is complex and a strict requirement. you have to have a fear or being in the membership of a group. >> i guess, interrupting for one moment if people believe shell get refugee status, will more cross the border.
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>> one of the pain objective is to ensure that the kits don't have the make the dangerous trip to the u.s. kids literally are dying, being killed or murdered. the question is whether it will increase the numbers applying for a visa. the requirement to qualify for a refugee advice is strict, it may not increase peel still will be able to cross the country to get to the u.s. how much are the coyote's paid to get across the border. >> it's a hefty sum coming from central america. if the coyotes is someone they know or a family members,
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$5,000, but if it's a more sophisticated scheme of smugglers. it could range from $10,000. many do not have the money. it's a doesn't payment and pretty much they set up a payment plan, but it's a slave to the u.s. it's a hefty sum that many don't have, which is why they take a risk on their own. >> thank you so much. >> the central american president says they want to work with the u.s. to slow the flood of migrants many say they are trying to escape street gangs, many have root in the united states. rob reynolds reports. >> in the 1980s civil wars raged
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across central america. fearing soviet influence, regan supported military dictatorships and right wing regimes. we gave them a lot of different things, including turning our heads. >> tens of thousands of sympathizers were killed by soldiers and death squads. families tried to get away from the bloodshed, seeking refuge in the u.s. hundreds of thousands were driven out of their country. los angeles is the modern island. in l.a. refugees encountered
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criminal gangs of their open. the central american gangs include m.s. 13 and the i think street gangs identified by their tattoos. they became among the most lethal gangs. in the 1980s, thousands of criminals were deported. >> the (ported gang members. urban gang cultures. >> cannings born in los angeles flourished. now gang-driven violence made them the most violent on earth. >> to escape the violence, tens of thousands are leaving their homelands. the majority cite fear of the damages as a reason for fleeing. >> the mentality that we had came back to haunt us.
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it's all part of an historical objective. you do negative things, destructive things. in the short run you think it will help. >> a legacy of finals rooted in the cold war, poisoning the lives of children born decades later. coming up next - we hear from the americans that want the migrants crossing the border september home. they tell us about their concerns.
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reaction to the wave of migrants crossing the border is mixed. some welcome them, others say go home. in a small town busloads of immigrants were blocked by
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protestors, the demonstrators were trying to prevent the buses reaching government processing centers. residents say the up to is not big enough to support people crossing the border. >> do not release illegal immigrants into the community who haven't had a proper health screening and not a proper background check. it's unfortunate that we are not seeing these rehabilitations in other city -- reactions in other cities receiving the individuals. >> city residents say it's not about the people but the policy. placing migrants in holding areas beyond the border is making it worse. a reporter that covered the texas border returned from honduras. i asked her about the border crisis and how it compares to past incidents. >> we have seen migration of children out of central america, everything from natural disasters and gang violence and
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children re-un iteming with family members. the tens of thousands of children on their open, with the help of cartel smuggling organizations making their way to the border is stunning to see the overcrowded detention center and the inability to cope wh a humanitarian crisis, and a struggling to understand is this an enforcement issue. they are surrendering to the border control or is it something else. >> what is the greatest need on the border? . the greatest need, to even if you talk to the border control is they can have help getting the children out of detention centers never designed to house children or families, and finding a place by law. taking central american children and putting them in shelters until they can be reunited with relatives and ultimately foster care. that's the next bottle neck.
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there's not enough immigration judges or courts to handle the cases to decide whether the children are refugees and should not be september home, or as the obama administration is trying to do, mass deportations quickly. >> we talked about the rumours in the programme in honduras, let's say, that children who are unaccompanied can get into the united states and get a piece of paper that gets them in, has there been enough time and children that have gone back so that the people of honduras are getting word that it doesn't work? >> in a way it's a mixed message - no, there's no ammosty, but central american children have a different status. their cases have to be vetted. children have not been deported in large numbers, a lot are waiting for cases to be decided. while waiting they have permission to stay in the u.s. text rarely. sometimes the cases take a while.
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now, the mass deportations that may happen, that is sending a message that the obama administration hopes that people will not make the perilous journey. people are thinking twice not because of what happens in the u.s., but in mexico, cracking down sending people back. immigrants tell us that they are dealing with corruption on the part of mexican immigration and police officials. stereo thank you to angela. paul beban has been covering immigration for us, reporting from arizona, mexico, hopped. you have been closely following the story of a teenager from honduras. >> yes, this young man is afl 'em -- axel travelling from hond rrtion, leaving ham -- honduras, leaving home because gangs were after him. he turned 16 and described a
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terrifying journey northward through mexico. his plan was to reunite with his father, where he has been living undocumented. axel tried to make it through the desert. he didn't make it. he turned himself in and has been living with his father since late may. waiting for his day. i went back and met his family, brother and mother and they told me if axel is deported, he be killed. his mother would send him north in a moment. i spoke to another young man that left san pedro. jose. he was 14, fleeing an abusive father and gang violence. he's a phd stupid, and a human right advocate. he told me about his own journey. >> the adjourny was horrible. -- journey was horrible. it was painful. i remember a coyote raping -
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raping a little girl that came with us, and with a gun in his hand he told us that we would be next, and as a child i was afraid, i didn't understand what was going on. i wanted to be with my mother. >> wow. what happened when you made it to the border? >> so when i make it to the border i was dropped off by some people. they said that we were going to swim across. this happened about four in the morning. whenever we got to the other side everyone dispersed. people ran. as a child i was tired. i could no longer run. they left me. they left me there. i started wondering what would happen. so i was thirsty, i went back to the river and drank the river water. i hid and went to sleep under a bush. then an immigration patrol officer came and the words that
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he said wake up, he put me into a patrol car. >> how unusual is a story like this? >> well, you wish it was unusual. when you see the numbers of kids and you hear stories about the conditions that they are living in, it's sad to say they are not unusual. san pedro, where the young men came from, is a city where emergency rooms were guarded. we asked why is there armed guards. it was said if there was a gang shooting, the gangs will chase the ambulance into the e.r. and finish them off there. it's hard to imagine the violence people are living through day to day. the neighbourhoods are battle grounds. >> you can understand why some of them want to get out. >> thank you. adults look for a solution to the crisis. thousands are risking their lives and are the subject of the freeze frame.
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